Sasuke and Gudodama!

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Kishi here points the focus on the Rinnegans here. He did that for a reason :-

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I don't think Shizen has any relevance here. That is the power of the Juubi. Yin and Yang is the power of Hagoromo. When Hagoromo became Jubbi Jin, I think those Three got muddled up and mixed.
Thats just a symbol mate. The actual text blows your theory out the window. Read your own scan.
 

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That's just a symbol it isn't used for anything rinnegan is an eye.
Rinnegan is Yin (Eyes/Spirit) + Yang (Body) in one force. If you remove one then Rinnegan cannot exist. If Hagoromo had divided his Rikudou chakra (As many people say) then neither Naruto and Sasuke would have awakened Rinnegans. They would have just gotten the divided powers Indra and Ashura got from Hagoromo.

Hagoromo represents Yin and Yang as one force, the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan being Yin/Yang appears as both an Eye (Representing the Spirit/Eyes) and a symbol on the body (Representing the Body, Yang). Hagoromo had four Rinnegans in total. Two Rinnegans as his eyes, A middle Rinnegan Symbol on his forehead and another Rinnegan symbol on his back.

Thats just a symbol mate. The actual text blows your theory out the window. Read your own scan.
And you think Madara knows everything. ._.
 

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Not irrelevant, just not as much in proportion to Sasuke's own Six Paths Chakra.



Well, Rikudou Chakra, nor RSM doesn't negate Ninjutsu. Onmyoudon is what allows them to do so which to my knowledge, they don't, but I haven't watched the movie, so I wouldn't know.
Omnyouton is a Sage technique which is applied to the Body and Truth Seeker Orbs. Toneri had it, and Hamura had it. It is clear that Momo and Kin did not have RSM since they were hurt. Yet they were extremely strong so they must have had base Six Paths Chakra especially since they ate from their own Shinju much like Kaguya. Kaguya's fruit was just far stronger.
 

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Rinnegan is Yin (Eyes/Spirit) + Yang (Body) in one force. If you remove one then Rinnegan cannot exist. If Hagoromo had divided his Rikudou chakra (As many people say) then neither Naruto and Sasuke would have awakened Rinnegans. They would have just gotten the divided powers Indra and Ashura got from Hagoromo.

Hagoromo represents Yin and Yang as one force, the Rinnegan. The Rinnegan being Yin/Yang appears as both an Eye (Representing the Spirit/Eyes) and a symbol on the body (Representing the Body, Yang). Hagoromo had four Rinnegans in total. Two Rinnegans as his eyes, A middle Rinnegan Symbol on his forehead and another Rinnegan symbol on his back.



And you think Madara knows everything. ._.
Both powers have Yin and Yang plus all 5 basic elements.

Truth Seeker Orbs/Omnyouton and Rinnegan are what gave Naruto and Sasuke all elements.
 

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Because the collection of the Bijuu yields Yang Release.
No the process of creating the bijuu susanoo itself would only be possible through yin-yang release.

Well, shit, did it? Can you present the Databook statement if possible?

I also don't recall TSB requiring Yin-Yang Release. I only recall Onmyoudon needing such a thing which is separate from TSB.
Sure naruto's perfect use of yin-yang release

DB4 said:
↑ Naruto, who acquired Hagoromo's power, demonstrates perfect [use?] of the Yin-Yang Release power.
TSB containing yin-yang release

DB4 said:
It says that when an individual manifests (literally "blossoms" 開花) Six Paths Senjutsu, black orbs comprising the power of all five elements and yin-yang
 

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And then Juubidara states that he's the only one with both of their powers. The scan contradicts what you're saying.
My Dear Friend, Madara doesn't know everything. What he knows was presumably all misinformation fed to him by Black Zetsu. What matters is the context of the manga.

Context of Manga > Madara's deluded words.

Plus, the dominance thingy could have led Madara to a misinterpretation.
 

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Omnyouton is a Sage technique which is applied to the Body and Truth Seeker Orbs. Toneri had it, and Hamura had it.
I agree. Onmyoudon is a Sage technique that has to be activated and requires Yin-Yang Release.

I'm still unsure of how Hamura or Toneri attained RSM.

It is clear that Momo and Kin did not have RSM since they were hurt. Yet they were extremely strong so they must have had base Six Paths Chakra especially since they ate from their own Shinju much like Kaguya. Kaguya's fruit was just far stronger.
Well, I have no knowledge on the movie, but I do know that having only Rikudou Chakra doesn't negate Ninjutsu. But then again, it doesn't matter whether or not they had Onmyoudon because Naruto and Sasuke use Rikudou Chakra.
 

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My Dear Friend, Madara doesn't know everything. What he knows was presumably all misinformation fed to him by Black Zetsu. What matters is the context of the manga.
And Hagoromo acknowledged that Juubidara was trying to attain power close to Hagoromo's, so Madara clearly had knowledge of the Sage's Powers.
 

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No the process of creating the bijuu susanoo itself would only be possible through yin-yang release.
Shit, I concede. I forgot about Obito's explanation regarding what Hagoromo accomplished.

TSB containing yin-yang release
Oh, well, shit. Does Onmydoun require a higher level of Yin-Yang Release then?
 

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No that meant his Yin was dominant over his Yang. Sasuke is Yin Dominant, Naruto is Yang Dominant, Madara is both Yin and Yang dominant and Hinata is neither Yin or Yang dominant. Near about every human in NV has both Yin (Spiritual/Mental Energy) and Yang (Physical Energy) so it's not possible for someone to not have Yin and Yang.
Yeah, most Uchihas are Yin dominant and everyone have the basic yin/yang to there justu others being less than others, right?
What I'm talking about here is where does it say that Sasuke have Yang element?

Yang element being able to create massive life energy like kcm naruto. That kind of deal.
 

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And Hagoromo acknowledged that Juubidara was trying to attain power close to Hagoromo's, so Madara clearly had knowledge of the Sage's Powers.
Which he again got from Black Zetsu through the Tablet. He knows at most the Partial Truth, not the complete truth.

Has everyone forgotten that Madara stated that Uchiha + Senju = Rinnegan ? He didn't even know about the Indra and Ashura chakra thing. He could be right in a longshot with above, but it's far from the actual truth.

Context is more important here. Rinnegan cannot exist if Yin and Yang are divided.
 
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Yeah, most Uchihas are Yin dominant and everyone have the basic yin/yang to there justu others being less than others, right?
What I'm talking about here is where does it say that Sasuke have Yang element?

Yang element being able to create massive life energy like kcm naruto. That kind of deal.
I do not think it talks about whether one exists and the other does not. It talks about affinity with Yin and Yang. Think about how ninjas have an affinity in one of the Five Elements.

The chart show the affinity that the Ninjas have in Yin and Yang. Some have Yin, Some Yang, Some both and some neither.
 
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Which he agaibn got from Black Zetsu through the Tablet. He knows at most the Partial Truth, not the complete truth.

Has everyone forgotten that Madara stated that Uchiha + Senju = Rinnegan ? He didn't even know about the Indra and Ashura chakra thing. He could be right in a longshot with above, but it's far from the actual truth.

Context is more important here. Rinnegan cannot exist if Yin and Yang are divided.
Well, I can't refute this yet until I reread parts of the manga because this is something I'm actually a little uncertain of.

I'll get back to you later once I'm able to reread that part of the manga.

And sure, but the Rinnegan is likely more Yin-Dominant.
 

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Shit, I concede. I forgot about Obito's explanation regarding what Hagoromo accomplished.

Oh, well, shit. Does Onmydoun require a higher level of Yin-Yang Release then?
Omnyodon is the same as in'ýoton they are just different ways of saying yin-yang release.

All TSB by default contain yin-yang release but using yin-yang release to delete ninjutsu and apply it to the body as well requires skill and concentration. Something obito didn't have when he was being controlled by the juubi, as soon as he gained control he could delete ninjutsu.

Naruto and Madara were never controlled so they could delete ninjutsu from the begining. The reason why naruto has never been shown doing so was because all his opponents had some way of combating the effects of the TSB or possess senjutsu themselves. The DB makes it clear naruto is skilled in the use of yin-yang release and we have seen it in the manga. Both naruto and sasuke can use yin-yang release.
 

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Well, I can't refute this yet until I reread parts of the manga because this is something I'm actually a little uncertain of.

I'll get back to you later once I'm able to reread that part of the manga.

And sure, but the Rinnegan is likely more Yin-Dominant.
Nope. Rinnegan means Yin and Yang as one, in balance. The Eye is a manifestation of the Yin half, the symbol is a manifestation of the Yang half of the Rinnegan's components.
 

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Omnyodon is the same as in'ýoton they are just different ways of saying yin-yang release.

All TSB by default contain yin-yang release but using yin-yang release to delete ninjutsu and apply it to the body as well requires skill and concentration. Something obito didn't have when he was being controlled by the juubi, as soon as he gained control he could delete ninjutsu.

Naruto and Madara were never controlled so they could delete ninjutsu from the begining. The reason why naruto has never been shown doing so was because all his opponents had some way of combating the effects of the TSB or possess senjutsu themselves. The DB makes it clear naruto is skilled in the use of yin-yang release and we have seen it in the manga. Both naruto and sasuke can use yin-yang release.
That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
 

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Logically Yes. In case you missed it, Naruto's Rinnegan is on his back.
Kishi here points the focus on the Rinnegans here. He did that for a reason :-

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This reaching is as bad as Chatte's theories.

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Neither of them have rinnegan and sage mode both, calm down
 
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