Sasori > MS Sasuke

[Brother Numpsay]

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I am going to argue that Sasori is able to take on Sasuke in his MS prime (via vs Danzo). This thread by no means shows that Sasori is tiers above/stronger then Sasuke. I have to address this due to a previous thread (Kakuzu>Killer Bee) where people get the misconception that my goal was to prove "this" character is stronger then "that" character.

The condition will be like this:

Location: Land of Iron Bridge
Intel: Manga
Distance: Sasuke vs Danzo
Condition: Sasori starts in Hiruko
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And now here's my argument:​

Manga Knowledge​

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First thing first is to address Manga Knowledge. For Sasori's age and experience it should be in his knowledge to know about an "advance Sharingan". The scans I post will give clues that he should know on "off-screen time". The first scan I want to bring out is the evidence of him being a witness to the power of an Uchiha. Here:

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With that said lets be reasonable to conclude that Sasori knows about "Advance Sharingan" due to the "new comer" of Akatsuki member knowing about it, Deidara.

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Listen to his words carefully "for someone who uses doujutsu at Itachi's level." Deidara has compared Kamui level attack of Sharingan to Itachi's in this context.

So with this conclusion that a "new member" of Akasuki to have this knowledge on this but his "more experience" partner to not is not a fair conclusion to make.

With this conclusion, it is safe to say Sasori has knowledge on "Advance Sharingan". How does this help Sasori in this situation? I will underline it: With observation of facing Sasuke's "advance look of the Sharingan", he would be vigilant in this match up.Staying vigilant will help him and prepare to counter the OP jutsu the "Advance Sharingan comes with". Wither is "powerful" or "fast" Sasori will fight and use his arsenals differently then when he faced Sakura and Chiyo.

The Flaw Of Mangekyou Sharingan​

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This needs to be address ASAP. This what balances the outcome of Sasori's chances of winning:

The power of MS comes with a price at the end of the day.

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Sasuke's jutsu cannot be spam if he over do it. Lets observed what Tobi had to say in a situation where he does:

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(The translation of Tobi saying "I've" is wrong btw")

In the same scan above it shows Sussanoo disappearing. Tobi words shows because of MS spam, a "cool-time" happens for the next time it can be used.

Unfortunate For Sasuke, Sasori he can outlast him all day due to his body structure.

The Question (Concerning Facing Hiruko)​

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So with everything said from here, how will this battle start? We know that Sasuke can lose by only obtaining one scratch from Sasori's attack or one whiff from poison gas (He doesn't know that).

How exactly will Sasuke deal with Hiruko? Keep in mind, using MS against him is the beginning of the "strain process". So lets say he attempts to finish off Hiruko without MS. It will be a risk for Sasuke to lose the fight in the beginning of the match by getting scratch.

The manga applies that Hiruko attacks are like solving a puzzle in a way to dodge them specifically.[

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He also applied that you need blunt force to defeat and break this defense[

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If Sasuke is not going to be using MS in this situation but rely on Raiton attacks to penetrate Hiruko it will only make Sasuke more vulnerable to Sasori's sebons and tail, because Sasori does not feel pain.[

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Also the Sharingan has not been able to predict object as well as people. Because the mechanics are completely different: since the muscles have a certain delay to move, the Sharingan should see that and anticipate the movements accordingly; the problem is that what I just explained doesn't happen with a projectile/object, so I don't think the Sharingan will be useful vs. traps. Thus leaves Sasuke relying on his Speed to successfully dodge the traps.

In the end, it seems Sasuke has to rely on MS attacks to successfully own Hiruko. If not, thats his risk of getting scratch. If he does, the MS "straining process" begins here.

But lets say Sasuke uses Sussanoo arrow against Hiruko to finish this. Wouldn't that be gameover? Most likely not due to the location of the core. As long as Sasuke aims at the same spot he always aims at (center chest) Sasori can always break his body apart and let it reconstruct when the body is damaged.[

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The 3rd KazeKage Is the Way​

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This is where the real battle begins MS vs the 3rd Kazekage's power. At this point Sasuke has no choice but to use Sussanoo in this situation. Sasori being vigilant, and also after seeing how MS powers destroyed Hiruko, he would be prepared to counter.

Alot of people want to say Iron Sand is slow to gather up. That's not entirely true due to this scan:

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"It is possible to use the repellent properites of magnetism..." The context was talking about Sand Drizzle but, that doesn't means the context can apply to any other shape of Iron Sand. Since Drizzle seem to Shape as bullets instantly (From page 10 to 11)[

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]. (Some want to argue that the way the 3rd's Sand sets out from his body and form is slow. Not true, if you notice that in the manga when a new jutsu is introduce it took its time to explain the jutsu force before it is use. A good example would be Kakuzu jutsu being introduce first and then his mask were release faster in Edo form. Thats because it is unimportant to explain it anymore.)

Since this scan says Iron Sand Shape can be used beyond the users imagination:

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(Basically shaping it fast is not the problem especially when Sasori will be vigilant in this match up)

This said Sasori has many methods to defend against the MS (

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Defensive:​

Enton/Amaterasu:

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Sussanoo Arrow:

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--Option B: Move to aerial combat with Sand platform. Reason? Lets take a look at Danzo's situation.
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]<-- In this scan we see Danzo escape the transformation of Sussanoo. By jumping off he used Wind Release to try and glide back to a safe area. The last panel shows Sussanoo attempting to find the "right moment",aiming precisely, to fire against Danzo. Sussanoo release it's attack as soon as Danzo

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. This proving that a moving target on air is harder to catch then a moving target on

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Offensive​

Option A:
Using the Magnetic Force To Block Sussanoo Attack Methods: As we should know in the Manga, Satetsu is not suppose to be blocked, your suppose to dodge it.[

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]Because this jutsu is highly advance it is well known to even other village on how dangerous this jutsu is[

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]. Shooting Iron Sand against Sussanoo's Arms will do the trick as the manga applied. Once Iron is stick to it's hands, will result of a Tug of War between the magnetic force holding down finger/hand movement while the entity is fighting for free hand movements. Struggling = No weapon for entity to use to fight back.

--Option B:
Using Iron Sand To Attack From Ground-Up:The old stages are Sussanoo is still vulnerable from the ground-up[

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]. Making Iron Sand root up from the ground makes the attack internal, due to its blind spot under ground that leaves it open.

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Using Magnetic Power Of Attraction: Due to the power of the 3rd Kazekage, all metallic objects are useless against Sasori. Having them in the field at the end of the day, can be used against you.[

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] With this said, Sasori can use this option to surprise Sasuke. First Sasori needs to hold down the entity, Sussano[

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]<--First Panel. (But of course will be better to use Iron Sand because:

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). If Sasuke is not using his Sword of Kusanagi, then the next option is to use the Magnetic Power to Attract it towards him. Sasuke, leaving it in his back will be pushed out with the sword, due to the sword having the weight to do that by default. Much like how Pein uses his power to attract opponents[

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] The method here is to do it quickly, in one shot, before Sasuke sees it coming and removes his sword.

P.S. People might come here and explain how is that even possible and I just want to say, the sword sheath of not, it doesn't block magnetic attraction.

-Read this source at least:

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-If you want to learn while entertaining yourself: Watch Breaking Bad Season 5, Episode 1. Magnets are involved in this episode. And you would get what I am saying in Option C.

--------Option D:
Waiting For Sussanoo To Expire:I already added the flaw of MS. Sasori can simply outlast the strain from MS moves. Eventually Sasuke needs to take a break to maintain like he has done twice so far vs Danzo

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The battle is pretty much over from there. Sasori can either

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. Sasuke in this position can try his best to dodge but at the end of the day, in his position, he would at least get

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. Or he can:

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To end it.

At the end of the day I won't argue that Iron Sand has displayed its destructive force to damage Sussanoo, but instead show other methods to work around beating the user even with it.

The Worthy of 100 Puppet Army/Conclusion​

I will quote an old post concerning this:

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I expect the person I am debating to use the "Sasuke knocking "1000" shinobi argument, but I expect you to believe it is irrelevant then Sasori using this to take down a whole country. With Sasori intelligence analyzing everything Sasuke is capable of, can use sheer numbers to take advantage.
These puppets can float and they move swiftly for themselves so from that conclusion shows that it won't be easy for Sasuke to dominate as he did with 1000 shinobi's here is a conclusion:

-There is no guarantee that a single slash of Sasuke's sword (assuming he even gets it back) can dispatch one puppet; he may use Chidorigatana to increase his lethality, with Sasori should already be familiar with now in battle
-1 scratch still spells death for Sasuke, and while he conceivably has some chance of getting through the first two steps unscathed, he will inevitably be overwhelmed by 100 opponents
-It stands to reason that as Sasuke dispatches more of Sasori's 100 puppets, Sasori's attention will be more focused on his remaining puppets. What this means is that Sasuke may at first find himself holding his own against the 100 puppets, only to be caught surprise by a sudden increase in their skill level due to Sasori's increasingly focused control.

I still expect for my opponent to underrate Sakura and Chiyo being successful.
-Chiyo saved Sakura from being overwhelm the 10 forbidden puppets played an important role to reduce from being overwhelm. Her seal also stop thee rest of the puppets from continue from being controlled.
-And even after all that after match they still managed to get scratched.

If Sasuke wants to try to Shishun Sasori/ getting close to him to finish him off. Sasori previous analyses would make this futile. He would either use the following attacks (If he tries to out run swift puppets that can float around and can move very fast themselves):

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Or he can use this razor offensive and defensive without getting close to Sasuke:

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This was a debate against Hebi Sasuke that I used. It is the same premise I would use here but it will be more useful due to Sasori able to swap into another puppet if he gets hit by MS moves (due the 3rd Kazekage not being here in this situation)

Thats all I have to say. Sasori has methods in his arsenal to take out MS and he also is able to outlast Sasuke due to the its Flaws of recovering.

 

[Unorthodox]

i didnt quote because i had already posted sorry but lets roll into this damn im feeling lazy so this gone be short

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You posted Sasuke needing Ms to counter hiruko when he does not Most of hiruko posion Knifes are counter by sasuke shurikens

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also sasuke great speed would allow him to dodge hiruko is a defensive puppet as it woudlnt bother to dodge but block attacks

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Sasuke shadow shuriken who itachi didnt notice till the last momments would destroy the puppet with its ration

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Also he can break it up like chiyo did her mini kunai to cause the puppet futher damage that ends the Hiruko debate now to the real stuff. ​

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Zetsu as the spy of Akatsuki didnt know what Amaterasu looks like more less works Sasori sand bullets are easily counter by sasuke's

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Also sasuke will see No chakra is flowing thru sasori's body but only at one point witch is his heart same for 3rd kazekage puppet with that basic assumption he can assume he's a puppet so his main focus will be his heart i also belive sasuke could cut sasori chakra strings via Chidori spear Also seeing how Sasori laced all his attacks with poison and he's a puppet user uses v2 susanoo would make him vulnerable for his gases so using ribcage witch can safely block & keep his mobility is his best choice Sasori fastest tech is useless here as sasuke could see where he would position them due to his hand movements and chakra strings

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3rd Kazekage puppet trying taijutsu leaves sasori open for a wide ray of attacks espescially sasuke speed with his ribcage and susanoo fist

Not to mention granny chiyo with slower Reaction time than sasuke & protecting sakura was able to block such an attack Stationary Sasori's

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is dodged in multiple ways His hawk or Snakes as seen on naruto snakes can barrow in the ground pretty quickly also sasori abandons all line of defense His susanoo arrow or Amaterasu would do the trick here once that puppet is down it goes down hill lets assume sasori gets his 100 puppets to go Sasuke uses ribcage with susanoo fist to crush him as he would keep his mobility Sasori thinks his body is undestroyable would try to attack because he feels like he can either hop to another puppet or rebuild himself not knowing sasuke can see his hear causes his defeat.

Sorry i took so long my windows closed on me i didnt put that much Links because i didnt belive this fight was worth it ​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

i will post a counter to this

Im surprise that your going to actually put effort in writing.

 

[Penguin]

I like. I think Sasori takes out a majority of MS users.

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

I'm not gonna sit here and actually read paragraphs about things that wouldn't happen, but you tried

 

[blazekev90]

Hmm I tried this match-up before, the issue for Sasori was his reaction time for Sasuke's arrows

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hmm I tried this match-up before, the issue for Sasori was his reaction time for Sasuke's arrows

Thats why I brought up Manga Knowledge playing a role. It helps him get ready to counter MS fast and powerful jutsu.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You posted Sasuke needing Ms to counter hiruko when he does not Most of hiruko posion Knifes are counter by sasuke shurikens

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also sasuke great speed would allow him to dodge hiruko is a defensive puppet as it woudlnt bother to dodge but block attacks

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Sasuke shadow shuriken who itachi didnt notice till the last momments would destroy the puppet with its ration

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Also he can break it up like chiyo did her mini kunai to cause the puppet futher damage that ends the Hiruko debate now to the real stuff.

1. You brought up an interesting point of Sasuke shurikens. Indeed Sasuke can use his skills to block senbons that way he did with Itachi. But we have to be honest with out selfs at the end of the day. Sasuke doing that is only stalling the attacks. Who do you think will run out of tools first in this fight? The answer is obvious. Hiruko packs more tools then Sasuke to eventually Sasuke has to engage into doing something else, after running out [

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2. My OP already address the condition Sasuke is in concerning "dodging them". Sasuke lacks the art of evasion to dodged them specifically Ill quote it:

The manga applies that Hiruko attacks are like solving a puzzle in a way to dodge them specifically.[

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I can give you two more sources making this undeniable fact (I post the first one again). [

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Sasuke may use his better speed to make up for it but thats not enough to solve the puzzle.

2b. Let me quote what else I said concerning dodging and reading movements. Remeber both and Itachi and Sasuke can read muscle movement due to Sharingan. But anyway here:

Also the Sharingan has not been able to predict object as well as people. Because the mechanics are completely different: since the muscles have a certain delay to move, the Sharingan should see that and anticipate the movements accordingly; the problem is that what I just explained doesn't happen with a projectile/object, so I don't think the Sharingan will be useful vs. traps. Thus leaves Sasuke relying on his Speed to successfully dodge the traps.

3. I mention the concerns of using Raiton to beat Hiruko. If penetrating does not hit the "bulls eye" then its useless, but will break Hiruko (And Sasori will self-repair). Here and I quote:

If Sasuke is not going to be using MS in this situation but rely on Raiton attacks to penetrate Hiruko it will only make Sasuke more vulnerable to Sasori's sebons and tail, because Sasori does not feel pain.[

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This quote, Ill elaborate a tiny bit. Sasori can still use a sneaky booby-trap before the use of Hiruko is over.

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Zetsu as the spy of Akatsuki didnt know what Amaterasu looks like more less works Sasori sand bullets are easily counter by sasuke's

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Also sasuke will see No chakra is flowing thru sasori's body but only at one point witch is his heart same for 3rd kazekage puppet with that basic assumption he can assume he's a puppet so his main focus will be his heart i also belive sasuke could cut sasori chakra strings via Chidori spear Also seeing how Sasori laced all his attacks with poison and he's a puppet user uses v2 susanoo would make him vulnerable for his gases so using ribcage witch can safely block & keep his mobility is his best choice Sasori fastest tech is useless here as sasuke could see where he would position them due to his hand movements and chakra strings

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3rd Kazekage puppet trying taijutsu leaves sasori open for a wide ray of attacks espescially sasuke speed with his ribcage and susanoo fist​

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1. Your first sentence through me off, I didn't get what you were saying. But you did mention Shodori senbon countering sand bullets. First you failed to mention the speed concerning both of the jutsu so that counter does not work. Second if Hypothetically Sasuke did use senbon to stab through the Sand, it will only benefit Sasori because the speed coming from Sasori attack is more then Sasuke senbon. That will only add Lightening into Sasori's Iron Sand, adding an addition attack to hit Sasuke.

2. You made a great observation for Sasuke. Indeed Sasuke has the intelligence to come up with that focus. Unfortunately the core is the live part that controls/active the chakra that is stored IN the Human Puppet. Let me elaborate. First read Chiyo's words [

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<--Kazekage. And Sasori's personal

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<-- (in his next chest plate).

3. Cutting the strings is a non factor to a puppet master as they can simply reattach it, same with Kunkuro's situation.[

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]. That could also possibly open another booby trap.

4. Indeed Ripcage can block Iron Sand sand. That also starts his body straining himself to hold it due to the MS flaw. Sasori can also increase the weight and speed of the attack to where its too destructive to block it at that stage [

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5. Sasuke cannot use his Sharingan to read movements but the same naked eye, where Sakura had to rely on.

6. Sasori will not engage Taijutsu in this battle when he should know what he is dealing with.

Not to mention granny chiyo with slower Reaction time than sasuke & protecting sakura was able to block such an attack Stationary Sasori's

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is dodged in multiple ways His hawk or Snakes as seen on naruto snakes can barrow in the ground pretty quickly also sasori abandons all line of defense His susanoo arrow or Amaterasu would do the trick here once that puppet is down it goes down hill lets assume sasori gets his 100 puppets to go Sasuke uses ribcage with susanoo fist to crush him as he would keep his mobility Sasori thinks his body is undestroyable would try to attack because he feels like he can either hop to another puppet or rebuild himself not knowing sasuke can see his hear causes his defeat.

1. I never mention World Order in my argument because that doesn't benefit Sasori from breaking Sussanoo.
2. She never blocked it nor dodged it. The jutsu was going everywhere to the point that the debris the Sand was creating shield from getting hit from Iron Sand.
3. Sasori will not fight like the way you are describing. I already explain that he needs 1 block of sand to attack and 1 block of Sand for defensive purposes. MY argument was that he has to play vigilant. He will not fight an overpowered moves defenseless.
3. Last sentence didn't make sense.

Sorry i took so long my windows closed on me i didnt put that much Links because i didnt belive this fight was worth it

Well at least you tried.​

 

[TheEvilOne]

I respectfully disagree. He can beat Itachi, but Sasuke is too much for him.

 

[itachiuchiha21]

sasuke sees saori's core and one shots him with susanoo arrow

MS users stomp sasori

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I respectfully disagree. He can beat Itachi, but Sasuke is too much for him.

Care to point them out?

sasuke sees saori's core and one shots him with susanoo arrow

MS users stomp sasori

Through chakra? I just address that

2. You made a great observation for Sasuke. Indeed Sasuke has the intelligence to come up with that focus. Unfortunately the core is the live part that controls/active the chakra that is stored IN the Human Puppet. Let me elaborate. First read Chiyo's words [

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<--Kazekage. And Sasori's personal

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<-- (in his next chest plate).

Through observation? I already address in the OP

 

[Dantee]

Care to point them out?





Through chakra? I just address that



Through observation? I already address in the OP

Does it matter if he keeps two seperate places of chakra. Either way Sasuke can see it.
He will one shot..

 

[illidanson]

I respectfully disagree. He can beat Itachi, but Sasuke is too much for him.

Say what???

This is only MS Sasuke, not EMS.

What exactly makes MS Sasuke a stronger opponent than Itachi???

Doesn't make sense if you ask me...

 

[UchihaNagashi]

1. You brought up an interesting point of Sasuke shurikens. Indeed Sasuke can use his skills to block senbons that way he did with Itachi. But we have to be honest with out selfs at the end of the day. Sasuke doing that is only stalling the attacks. Who do you think will run out of tools first in this fight? The answer is obvious. Hiruko packs more tools then Sasuke to eventually Sasuke has to engage into doing something else, after running out [

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2. My OP already address the condition Sasuke is in concerning "dodging them". Sasuke lacks the art of evasion to dodged them specifically Ill quote it:


I can give you two more sources making this undeniable fact (I post the first one again). [

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Sasuke may use his better speed to make up for it but thats not enough to solve the puzzle.

2b. Let me quote what else I said concerning dodging and reading movements. Remeber both and Itachi and Sasuke can read muscle movement due to Sharingan. But anyway here:



3. I mention the concerns of using Raiton to beat Hiruko. If penetrating does not hit the "bulls eye" then its useless, but will break Hiruko (And Sasori will self-repair). Here and I quote:



This quote, Ill elaborate a tiny bit. Sasori can still use a sneaky booby-trap before the use of Hiruko is over.



1. Your first sentence through me off, I didn't get what you were saying. But you did mention Shodori senbon countering sand bullets. First you failed to mention the speed concerning both of the jutsu so that counter does not work. Second if Hypothetically Sasuke did use senbon to stab through the Sand, it will only benefit Sasori because the speed coming from Sasori attack is more then Sasuke senbon. That will only add Lightening into Sasori's Iron Sand, adding an addition attack to hit Sasuke.

2. You made a great observation for Sasuke. Indeed Sasuke has the intelligence to come up with that focus. Unfortunately the core is the live part that controls/active the chakra that is stored IN the Human Puppet. Let me elaborate. First read Chiyo's words [

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]. Sasori builts in engine for the chakra to be stored as you see

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<--Kazekage. And Sasori's personal

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<-- (in his next chest plate).

3. Cutting the strings is a non factor to a puppet master as they can simply reattach it, same with Kunkuro's situation.[

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]. That could also possibly open another booby trap.

4. Indeed Ripcage can block Iron Sand sand. That also starts his body straining himself to hold it due to the MS flaw. Sasori can also increase the weight and speed of the attack to where its too destructive to block it at that stage [

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5. Sasuke cannot use his Sharingan to read movements but the same naked eye, where Sakura had to rely on.

6. Sasori will not engage Taijutsu in this battle when he should know what he is dealing with.



1. I never mention World Order in my argument because that doesn't benefit Sasori from breaking Sussanoo.
2. She never blocked it nor dodged it. The jutsu was going everywhere to the point that the debris the Sand was creating shield from getting hit from Iron Sand.
3. Sasori will not fight like the way you are describing. I already explain that he needs 1 block of sand to attack and 1 block of Sand for defensive purposes. MY argument was that he has to play vigilant. He will not fight an overpowered moves defenseless.
3. Last sentence didn't make sense.




Well at least you tried.

You sir, have earned my attention.

I look forward in debating with you. But not this time.

I actually agree.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Does it matter if he keeps two seperate places of chakra. Either way Sasuke can see it.
He will one shot..

Two? Human Puppets have one spot stored for chakra used. If Sasuke sees it, it can destroy the 3rd (Already made a defensive counter for it anyway)

But as for Sasori no. If you break Sasori's body "The Scorpion", it will just repair itself.

Say what???

This is only MS Sasuke, not EMS.

What exactly makes MS Sasuke a stronger opponent than Itachi???

Doesn't make sense if you ask me...

Im still waiting for him to point out his reasoning. But im sure he will dodge the question and not reply here anymore.

You sir, have earned my attention.

I look forward in debating with you. But not this time.

I actually agree.

Sweet, someone who gets it and can reason. I will look forward to discuss this when you have the time.

 

[Shura]

I agree. .

 

[Prince Charles]

I don't agree Tbh, Regarding your knowledge part it's doesn't hold any value here, I won't deny sasori does have knowledge on the sharigan but in no way shape or form does that mean he has knowledge on sasuke's Mangekyo sharigan powers, not too mention their have only been a hand full of uchihas that have unlocked the MS to my understanding, Sasori's knowledge in that department means sasuke's success in this match.

Regarding the flaw Of the MS part of your OP, this is already known, not that it holds much value here since sasuke will end this match before his MS takes such a drastic toll on his body. Sasori having the stamina advantage hardly matter, his chakra in his heart will give sasuke the means to end this match rather quickly.

I wont even comment on hiruko, you must be crazy if you think hiruko will cause sasuke a problem, Lol poisonous gas? His sussano easily blocks out the gas, it was already shown that his sussano can pull it off when we saw him block out Mei's acid mist with his sussano, one whiff equals GG? Explain to me why sakura is still alive today? Hiruko get's destroyed quite easily it's not even funny, all it's trapped are easily avoided and tanked via sussano, sussano isnt even necessary when a hag like lady chiyo was capable of dodging huriko's traps.

Your not even getting it, the last thing sasori wants to do is stay in hiruko when all sasuke has to do is simply crush hiruko via sussano hand and sasori will get crushed along with it if anything and thats GG. Not that sussano is neccessary when sasuke can simply destroy hiruko via his raiton variants, honestly Im surprise you even brought hiruko into this if you think it even plays a factor, sasuke easily fallen victim to any traps with his reaction time and speed feats.

3rd kazekage is non factor, get's destroyed quite easily and all it's attack are tanked via sussano.

Honestly I can go further into this but anyone would realize sasuke takes this rather easily.

 

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I don't agree Tbh, Regarding your knowledge part it's doesn't hold any value here, I won't deny sasori does have knowledge on the sharigan but in no way shape or form does that mean he has knowledge on sasuke's Mangekyo sharigan powers, not too mention their have only been a hand full of uchihas that have unlocked the MS to my understanding, Sasori's knowledge in that department means sasuke's success in this match.

Regarding the flaw Of the MS part of your OP, this is already known, not that it holds much value here since sasuke will end this match before his MS takes such a drastic toll on his body. Sasori having the stamina advantage hardly matter, his chakra in his heart will give sasuke the means to end this match rather quickly.

I wont even comment on hiruko, you must be crazy if you think hiruko will cause sasuke a problem, Lol poisonous gas? His sussano easily blocks out the gas, it was already shown that his sussano can pull it off when we saw him block out Mei's acid mist with his sussano, one whiff equals GG? Explain to me why sakura is still alive today? Hiruko get's destroyed quite easily it's not even funny, all it's trapped are easily avoided and tanked via sussano, sussano isnt even necessary when a hag like lady chiyo was capable of dodging huriko's traps.

Your not even getting it, the last thing sasori wants to do is stay in hiruko when all sasuke has to do is simply crush hiruko via sussano hand and sasori will get crushed along with it if anything and thats GG. Not that sussano is neccessary when sasuke can simply destroy hiruko via his raiton variants, honestly Im surprise you even brought hiruko into this if you think it even plays a factor, sasuke easily fallen victim to any traps with his reaction time and speed feats.

3rd kazekage is non factor, get's destroyed quite easily and all it's attack are tanked via sussano.

Honestly I can go further into this but anyone would realize sasuke takes this rather easily.

Dam, Woodson, you just walk around my arguments when I already address these pointers. Should I just quote them for you?

 

[Prince Charles]

Dam, Woodson, you just walk around my arguments when I already address these pointers. Should I just quote them for you?

Go ahead and ill shit on them.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I don't agree Tbh, Regarding your knowledge part it's doesn't hold any value here, I won't deny sasori does have knowledge on the sharigan but in no way shape or form does that mean he has knowledge on sasuke's Mangekyo sharigan powers, not too mention their have only been a hand full of uchihas that have unlocked the MS to my understanding, Sasori's knowledge in that department means sasuke's success in this match.

Did you not get the Manga Knowledge quote at all? Because of Itachi, he should know how powerful an advance doujutsu is. That is why I post a scan of a "new member" knowing about MS (Deidara). Deidara compared Kakashi's MS to Itachi. That logical conclusion applies to his partner too (Sasori), since he was here longer then Deidara and more experienced in the group.

This conclusion helps him prepare what he is up against. "Very powerful/Fast jutsus" through the power of a MS, via Itachi. Thats all there is too it Manga Knowledge= Prepared/Vigilant

Regarding the flaw Of the MS part of your OP, this is already known, not that it holds much value here since sasuke will end this match before his MS takes such a drastic toll on his body. Sasori having the stamina advantage hardly matter, his chakra in his heart will give sasuke the means to end this match rather quickly.

I address this "chakra heart" already from someone else who brought it up:

2. You made a great observation for Sasuke. Indeed Sasuke has the intelligence to come up with that focus. Unfortunately the core is the live part that controls/active the chakra that is stored IN the Human Puppet. Let me elaborate. First read Chiyo's words [

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Two? Human Puppets have one spot stored for chakra used. If Sasuke sees it, it can destroy the 3rd (Already made a defensive counter for it anyway)

But as for Sasori no. If you break Sasori's body "The Scorpion", it will just repair itself, that I showed in OP.

I wont even comment on hiruko, you must be crazy if you think hiruko will cause sasuke a problem, Lol poisonous gas? His sussano easily blocks out the gas, it was already shown that his sussano can pull it off when we saw him block out Mei's acid mist with his sussano, one whiff equals GG? Explain to me why sakura is still alive today? Hiruko get's destroyed quite easily it's not even funny, all it's trapped are easily avoided and tanked via sussano, sussano isnt even necessary when a hag like lady chiyo was capable of dodging huriko's traps.

Lmao that was my whole point of Hiruko vs MS Sasuke, Sasuke needs to rely on MS to own it, which I stated in the OP. The Flaw of MS already begins which I address. Did I mention Hiruko using Poison Gas? Weird.

The rest of you points of Sakura avoiding the traps, I don't know why your pretending to be ignorant here for the sake of an argument. Ill quote anyway addressing that:

2. My OP already address the condition Sasuke is in concerning "dodging them". Sasuke lacks the art of evasion to dodged them specifically Ill quote it:


I can give you two more sources making this undeniable fact (I post the first one again). [

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Sasuke may use his better speed to make up for it but thats not enough to solve the puzzle.

2b. Let me quote what else I said concerning dodging and reading movements. Remeber both and Itachi and Sasuke can read muscle movement due to Sharingan. But anyway here:

Also the Sharingan has not been able to predict object as well as people. Because the mechanics are completely different: since the muscles have a certain delay to move, the Sharingan should see that and anticipate the movements accordingly; the problem is that what I just explained doesn't happen with a projectile/object, so I don't think the Sharingan will be useful vs. traps. Thus leaves Sasuke relying on his Speed to successfully dodge the traps.

Your not even getting it, the last thing sasori wants to do is stay in hiruko when all sasuke has to do is simply crush hiruko via sussano hand and sasori will get crushed along with it if anything and thats GG. Not that sussano is neccessary when sasuke can simply destroy hiruko via his raiton variants, honestly Im surprise you even brought hiruko into this if you think it even plays a factor, sasuke easily fallen victim to any traps with his reaction time and speed feats.

I dont understand how you are the only person reading my points differently. I suggest reading Hiruko post carefully. The whole point was to force Sasuke to rely on MS from the beginning of the match. That begins the straining process of using MS. As for Raiton I address in OP and someone else:

If Sasuke is not going to be using MS in this situation but rely on Raiton attacks to penetrate Hiruko it will only make Sasuke more vulnerable to Sasori's sebons and tail, because Sasori does not feel pain.[

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3. I mention the concerns of using Raiton to beat Hiruko. If penetrating does not hit the "bulls eye" then its useless, but will break Hiruko (And Sasori will self-repair). This quote, Ill elaborate a tiny bit. Sasori can still use a sneaky booby-trap before the use of Hiruko is over.

3rd kazekage is non factor, get's destroyed quite easily and all it's attack are tanked via sussano.

Lmao you literally skip through my Kakzekage argument. Ill wait until you actually try to counter it.

Go ahead and ill shit on them.

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