Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[Owarij]

Why does everyone say I think they are weak. i never said that once in my thread. learn how to read. guts doesn't make a ninja powerful. you can't make "A" into a "B".



That was more of the leaf who's strongest fighter was Kakashi at the time and he is nowhere near Kage. And yes they are strong. But there is nothing to say they are powerful which is a whole different category. And their accomplishments and sacrifice have nothing to do with their actual power. Why are people bringing that into the discussion? I would suggest rereading my original post instead of thinking what I said and knowing what I said. The fact is the 3 sannin were only looked upon as powerful because they were pretty much the only powerful thing introduced in Part 1. Now that we are seeing the ninja world as a whole, they title is based on respect way more than power

kakashi can defeat mei and gaara....he's kage level

 

[Scorpio0Pharaoh0Titan]

The Sannin are strong. What kind of drugs are you on? Seriously.

If naruto ever does die down, the three people I will remember other than the main characters are the Sannins above all else because through them, naruto, sasuke and sakura were molded.

You need to be pretty damn good at what you do to be able to teach it to someone else.

That's how I think of it.

They were each strong in their own right.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

kakashi can defeat mei and gaara....he's kage level

That's debatable and for another thread. He's not kage level and he knows it

The Sannin are strong. What kind of drugs are you on? Seriously.

If naruto ever does die down, the three people I will remember other than the main characters are the Sannins above all else because through them, naruto, sasuke and sakura were molded.

You need to be pretty damn good at what you do to be able to teach it to someone else.

That's how I think of it.

They were each strong in their own right.

Again nowhere did I state they were not strong. Do I have to bold it where I said they are strong? Alot of time was put in the manga to shown the Sannin show it makes the seem better than they are. And the fact that they taught the 3 characters we see the most only makes it seem like they are powerful but in reality they are just above average ninjas. powerful doesn't suit them at all. you made a good point though but being a teacher to someone who becomes powerful doesn't essentially make you powerful. Izuka isn't nowhere near powerful

 

[MMaElite]

orochimaru faught 4 tailed naruto with a worn out body.

jariya faught pain

tsunadi healed everyone in the village

 

[SasoriAlucard]

Cool story bro. Too bad it's a load of crap.

Everyone knows that Tsunade, Jiraiya and Orochimaru are possibly THE best team in the Narutoverse.

 

[Blunt]

i agree with this partly but Orochimaru and Jairaya are strong TBH but not as powerful as people say... oh yeah and i forgot to add TSUNADE saved everyone from death when deva path used the special Shinra tensei

 

[JirayiaRIPforever]

you are the spitting image of crap >.> i can see why you say orochimaru and tsunade are weak but you CANT POSSIBLY say that Jiraiya couldn't take on six paths of pain when he admitted that He would have lost had Jiraiya known his secret, Jiraiya could demolish very powerful people such as MS Sasuke (he would outlast his chakra in sage mode) Kisame, zetsu,Konan, a LOT of the edo's, Pain, he would do great against Itachi too, He only fought one battle and it was with one of the strongest people of all and he could have won if he had information like Nagato did about him. Sasuke OPENLY admitted he only reversed orochimaru's jutsu because he was on Death's Door, Itachi demolished orochimaru yes, and very few ninja's could stand against ANY of them if they had no knowledge of their abilities, Sage mode jiraiya could surprise anyone with his speed then insta GIANT ball rasengan them besides preta path,

 

[sarkul93]

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

all u want to say is that as compared to first part where too many worlds ninjas were not introduced the lore and glory of sannin was what fascinated us but now their accompalishments and strengths are not too great(great eventhough)...u may be rite but sannin hav never been said to be the strongest and the greatest...see in any match the prevailing conditions are most important...eachs age,place ,chakra level,knowledge regarding enemy ..same was the diff in match between pain and jiraya and pain and naruto..hope u get it and stop judging any ninja based on any match..

 

[Blaze Release]

Jiraiya was the only sannin that ever really impressed me. Neither Orochimaru or Tsunade really impressed me in any way.

This!. They are powerful but its all hype.
Only jiraiya has somewhat justified this hype

 

[ShinobiGod]

Glad to see that ppl see that this thread Title is thrash. The Sannin were thought by The 3rd Hokage and their performance through The Great Ninja Wars they earned their name given to them by Hanzou. Each of the Sannin as mention by Pein each have odd jutsu that aren't normal...Oro's turned himself into thousands of snakes and couldn't be killed by normal means....Tsunade is an old hag yet looks like she's in her 20's, She's the Best Medical ninja(healin Oro's hands) there is Kabuto would be second and her Rebirth jutsu her cells her rapidly from mortal wounds in seconds. Jaraiya is Hermit Sage and posses vast power in jutsus.....All the Sannin are skilled in all of the Ninja arts they have a higher understanding than Jounin and S-classed ninja. Why they are Kage lv candidates.

The young will surpass the old Naruto,Itachi,Sasuke,Nagato,Garra,Deidara,Kakashi(slowing approaching) are stronger than The sannin yes but they won't get easy victories.

 

[blazekev90]

The difference between the Sannin and all these new OP characters is that they were all naturally talented, with no special bloodline or anything. They all have/had their own unique abilities and could still go up against all the current Kages, and as a threesome against Madara (not saying they'll win)

Orochimaru is by far one of the most powerful well rounded ninja displayed in naruto, but was ahead of his time, thus the reason why Kish had to kill him off and kept him at a weaken state. He had great defense, offense, genjutsu, sealing and summons which made him a force that many ppl feared just by his name. I can't think of many characters who could have turned another against the leaf and establish their own in such lil time, without controlling them. Also, his intelligence factor can't be ignored, thus being knowledgable in numerous jutsu, experiements and figuring out Tobi/Madara plan. This dude simply was the shyt, but had to have a weakiness, which was the Uchiha. Also, I just wanna state the whole itachi owning with genjutsu is false, as I watched the clip Oro smiled and ws about to release it but itachi prevented it by cutting his hand, it's that simple.

Jman is the from master and is very powerful too. Though he might not wield a range of jutsu, what was great with what he was capable of doing. He had good endurance, strength and analysis all without Sage mode. Also, Jman was in a harder situation than Naruto when facing Nagato (who wasn't even trying to kill him). Jman simplying went in there not knowing anything and was caught off guard throughout the whole fight, yet he still held his own against a "God."

Tsunade may not have shown much, but the chick is powerful and I'm sure she is something to watch in the battlefield. She's known for medical abilities, which she influenced the whole movement of such abilities in a group. That's all I can really say about her.

Let's take into consideration that the Sannin were much older when we got a chance to see them in action. After fighting Hanzo they all grew into great ninja without all that fancy shyt.

 

[lanakau888]

Sannins are powerful, very powerful.

While all of the sannins are kage-level in base,
two of the three sannins (orochimaru and jiraiya) have the ability to beat beyond kage-level opponents with powerups: Sage mode for jiraiya and edo tensei for orochimaru.

Tsunade doesn't have too much feats and is the black sheep of the three, but she is still kage-level, having the chakra reserves to heal practically everyone in the village, and to protect the villagers from chibaku tensei.

Also, the hanzo thing does make them look weak, but you have to realize that the sannin get stronger as time goes by, and orochimaru didn't have edo tensei/hydra/white snake form, and jiraiya didn't use sage mode in that fight. From feats both orochimaru and jiraiya can take hanzo.

And using nagato as the means to say the sannin are weak is not a good idea since only current naruto/sasuke and other rinnegan users have the power to beat him.

They are all kage-level in base. And jiraiya in sage mode, and oro with edo tensei is above kage-level. They are strong.

 

[Blaze Release]

Sannins are powerful, very powerful.

While all of the sannins are kage-level in base,
two of the three sannins (orochimaru and jiraiya) have the ability to beat beyond kage-level opponents with powerups: Sage mode for jiraiya and edo tensei for orochimaru.

Tsunade doesn't have too much feats and is the black sheep of the three, but she is still kage-level, having the chakra reserves to heal practically everyone in the village, and to protect the villagers from chibaku tensei.

Also, the hanzo thing does make them look weak, but you have to realize that the sannin get stronger as time goes by, and orochimaru didn't have edo tensei/hydra/white snake form, and jiraiya didn't use sage mode in that fight. From feats both orochimaru and jiraiya can take hanzo.

And using nagato as the means to say the sannin are weak is not a good idea since only current naruto/sasuke and other rinnegan users have the power to beat him.

They are all kage-level in base. And jiraiya in sage mode, and oro with edo tensei is above kage-level. They are strong.

No offense but im getting annoyed by this beyond kage level non sense and even if there is something like that, it should be reserved to people who can fight all 5 kages at the same time and the only people i can think of is current tobi/edo madara and nagato. Apart from there 3, nobody else can and even with these 3 they might lose.

I think alot of people say beyong kage level because they greatly understimate the current kages and to some extent i can understand. But imagine if these were the previous kages, i doubt anybody would underestimate them the same way they underestimate the current ones.

Ask yourself, if sm jiraiya is beyond kage, what is nagato, edo madara, current tobi?

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

Chaotic Blades calls someone a troll while starting thread about something ridiculous
Chaotic Blades calls somone "mad" then cusses up a storm

Does anyone one else see the irony? xd

 

[JirayiaRIPforever]

yeah he is the king of crap

 

[lanakau888]

No offense but im getting annoyed by this beyond kage level non sense and even if there is something like that, it should be reserved to people who can fight all 5 kages at the same time and the only people i can think of is current tobi/edo madara and nagato. Apart from there 3, nobody else can and even with these 3 they might lose.

None taken.

In my book, beyond kage-level means that against any of the average level kage opponents, they will stomp.

I think alot of people say beyong kage level because they greatly understimate the current kages and to some extent i can understand. But imagine if these were the previous kages, i doubt anybody would underestimate them the same way they underestimate the current ones.

Some of the previous kages are beyond kage level. Kage level is just anyone who is strong enough to be considered for the position of "kage"

Ask yourself, if sm jiraiya is beyond kage, what is nagato, edo madara, current tobi?

SM jiraiya = beyond kage

Nagato, RM naruto, EMS sasuke(hype) = extremely OP tier

Kabuto w/ edos, Edo madara, Tobi = god tier

 

[Swizzik]

I agree they were overhyped.

 

[Narubro]

sannin are extremely powerful. any of them could go up against any kage and put up a good fight. powerful compared to madara with rinnengan? not really, but overall they are gnerally extremely powerful. pain was even scared he would have lost to jiraiya, if jiraiya had known the secret.

 

[Naruto FanBASE]

they all were praised by the 5 great nations for being ninja of kage level .if thats not powerfull i dont know what you call it

 

[Oronagato]

the sannin are the 3 of the most powerful non hekkai genkai non jinchuuriki shinobi in the universe, their students are the legends of naruto today, so this thread equals

epic fail