Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[Chaotic Blades]

Orochimaru is killed by Sasuke, Kishi goes out of his way to have Sasuke admit he wouldn't have won if Oro wasn't sick.

Jiraiya is killed by Pain, Kishi goes out of his way to have Pain comment that Jiraiya would have defeated his six paths with prior knowledge.

The two Sannin who have died only died thanks to certain circumstances to move the plot along. They are clearly powerful.

What ninja wouldn't defeat someone with prior knowledge? Pain would have defeated him had he knew he could use genjustu. They are strong but they arent powerful seeing they have accomplished nothing during the manga that gives them that

What person ever accomplishes everything they want?

well to the point where they won't feel no regrets in life

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

you need a point right
its that good teacher produce good students
so Jiraya hasn't failed
neither ad a teacher
neither as a shinobi cause he didn't gave up even on the end
and his comrades are also powerfull like him
he appeared weak to you cause when the manga started he was in old age,so was oro and tsunade

its not like i want to say jiraiya is fail but i don't agree with that bold part
so what about oro and sasuke ? both their teacher is good shinobi but why are they fail ? and choose the evil path ?

 

[Satsu]

i agree they are a bit overrated but only a bit

 

[Chaotic Blades]

you need a point right
its that good teacher produce good students
so Jiraya hasn't failed
neither as a teacher
neither as a shinobi cause he didn't gave up even on the end
and his comrades are also powerfull like him
he appeared weak to you cause when the manga started he was in old age,so was oro and tsunade

none of those things contribute to power. good shinobi maybe, good teacher. and nothing else was stated that they did anything while they were young except for they fought Hanzo and lost

 

[Nilloc Uzumaki]

They are friggin fifty years old. Give them a break. This thread is just ridiculous.

 

[Zawar]

its not like i want to say jiraiya is fail but i don't agree with that bold part
so what about oro and sasuke ? both their teacher is good shinobi but why are they fail ? and choose the evil path ?

Good teacher produce good student means
that they would be more capable of achiving their Goal
but right or wrong path depends on their views
u cant say Sasuke is weak or Oro is weak
they are strong cause their base was strong

 

[Selendrile]

I declare thread closed. U_U

*activate powers*

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Good teacher produce good student means
that they would be more capable of achiving their Goal
but right or wrong path depends on their views
u cant say Sasuke is weak or Oro is weak
they are strong cause their base was strong

so that's what u mean

 

[Zawar]

so that's what u mean

yup xd

 

[Zawar]

I declare thread closed. U_U

*activate powers*

i reopen this thread
*activat powers*

 

[Chaotic Blades]

They are friggin fifty years old. Give them a break. This thread is just ridiculous.

They never accomplished anything while they were young

 

[Selendrile]

They never accomplished anything while they were young

Really, you know this for a fact? Please show me your evidence.

 

[Alkaiser]

He was offer the job because of less availability. Not because he is Kage level. Someone had the be Hokage. Same with Jirayia and Tsunade. Otherwise they would have never been offered. Kakashi doesn't have the skill levels of any Kage

So you're saying you can be a kage without being at a kage lvl? Then what exactly is your basis on being at kage lvl? It can't be based upon being a kage because if people not at kage lvl can become kage then the basis of kage lvl powers would be skewed. Basically you make no sense. Also talking about how naruto masters things faster you forget that he has the dues ex machina chakra pool from which he can make thousands of shadow clones and practice 100's of hours in a single day, it's like he's his own hyperbolic time chamber that he can use as many times as he likes. Plus Jiraya invented all of his own tech's which take a lot longer to do while the only original naruto justu(unless we count sexy justus') is the rasenshuriken, and when he invented that he couldn't even use it because of it's major drawbacks.

 

[Zawar]

They never accomplished anything while they were young

you just dont wanna listen

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Really, you know this for a fact? Please show me your evidence.

Nothing else has been said of then but how they got their name when they were younger, how oro ended up leaving, tsunade's love and brother dying, and jirayia being a perv. If something significant was done by them why not show it? Because they didn't do anything significant. They were only meant to be strong in Part 1 when little to no characters were introduced but the Leafs.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

So you're saying you can be a kage without being at a kage lvl? Then what exactly is your basis on being at kage lvl? It can't be based upon being a kage because if people not at kage lvl can become kage then the basis of kage lvl powers would be skewed. Basically you make no sense. Also talking about how naruto masters things faster you forget that he has the dues ex machina chakra pool from which he can make thousands of shadow clones and practice 100's of hours in a single day, it's like he's his own hyperbolic time chamber that he can use as many times as he likes. Plus Jiraya invented all of his own tech's which take a lot longer to do while the only original naruto justu(unless we count sexy justus') is the rasenshuriken, and when he invented that he couldn't even use it because of it's major drawbacks.

Minato was chosen by the Hokage to be next. As was the 3rd. Tsunade and Kakashi were elected because there was no present Hokage. Otherwise it would have been done long before. They aren't Kage level. Jirayia never invented Rasegan or SM. So IDK what you are talking about. And Naruto gets the majority of his chakra from the fox. the fox was hurtful in both cases when trying to master those techniques. So Naruto was just better at it

 

[choft]

Minato was chosen by the Hokage to be next. As was the 3rd. Tsunade and Kakashi were elected because there was no present Hokage. Otherwise it would have been done long before. They aren't Kage level. Jirayia never invented Rasegan or SM. So IDK what you are talking about. And Naruto gets the majority of his chakra from the fox. the fox was hurtful in both cases when trying to master those techniques. So Naruto was just better at it

Orochimaru would have been elected as Hokage to replace Minato right away if he wasn't so evil, so doesn't that make him powerful?

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Orochimaru would have been elected as Hokage to replace Minato right away if he wasn't so evil, so doesn't that make him powerful?

Minato wasn't in the equation until after the 3rd retired. So he would have not replaced him because Minato was never Hokage.

Edit: When the 3rd was wanting to retire. And no, the 3rd wanted someone with the Will of Fire to protect the leaf. He thought his student had that but he showed to be corrupted. Power was never involved with his thought process. Only potential and protecting the village

 

[choft]

Minato wasn't in the equation until after the 3rd retired. So he would have not replaced him because Minato was never Hokage.

edit: When the 3rd was wanting to retire. And no, the 3rd wanted someone with the Will of Fire to protect the leaf. He thought his student had that but he showed to be corrupted. Power was never involved with his thought process. Only potential and protecting the village

What I meant was that after Minato died, instead of having Hiruzen become Hokage again, Orochimaru would have replaced Minato if he wasn't so evil. Doesn't that make him powerful?

Edit: Yes, hence I said, if he wasn't so evil. If the evil factor was taken away, Orochimaru would certainly have become Hokage. Again, I ask the question, doesn't that make him powerful?

 

[Chaotic Blades]

What I meant was that after Minato died, instead of having Hiruzen become Hokage again, Orochimaru would have replaced Minato if he wasn't so evil. Doesn't that make him powerful?

Orochimaru was a missing nin lol. wanted for his crimes. and no Hiruzen only liked Orochimaru for his potential and wisdom. His strengths he has now that we know him by occured because of him being corrupted. He didn't know how to do the stuff he does back then.