Sannin Really Aren't Powerful

[Selendrile]

Nothing else has been said of then but how they got their name when they were younger, how oro ended up leaving, tsunade's love and brother dying, and jirayia being a perv. If something significant was done by them why not show it? Because they didn't do anything significant. They were only meant to be strong in Part 1 when little to no characters were introduced but the Leafs.

You have no facts to back up your "knowledge". You're all just speculation. Fail.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

You have no facts to back up your "knowledge". You're all just speculation. Fail.

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Then what did they do? exactly you don't know because it was never stated they did anything. it's not speculation, its common sense. No story would fail to mention something significant about a character. especially not in Naruto were basically a character's whole life story is told a billion times. You're just butthurt that they failed to do anything like you want them to.

 

[PaulJ5]

they're above average to say the least.. really really super really abve xd *I'm out.. hungry*

 

[Selendrile]

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Then what did they do? exactly you don't know because it was never stated they did anything. it's not speculation, its common sense. No story would fail to mention something significant about a character. especially not in Naruto were basically a character's whole life story is told a billion times. You're just butthurt that they failed to do anything like you want them to.

Wheres the backstory on..

1. Hashirama Senju
2. Tobirama Senju
3. A and Bee
4. Madara Uchiha
5. Mei Terumi
6. Onoki
7. Muu
8. Hiruzen Sarutobi
9. Maito Gai
10. All the Akatsuki
11. All the 7 Swordsmen
12. Jinchuriki
13. Hiashi Hyuga
14. Fugaku Uchiha
15. Shisui Uchiha
16. White Fang

Where are their detailed backgrounds? Go ahead and tell me all of those accomplished nothing. Good game, troll. I win.

 

[NLee]

This thread is basically outling why the Sannin (Orochimaru, Jirayia, and Tsunade), aren't powerful like people think they are.

While are three are considered Kage level or S-Rank ninjas know feat gives them this title. All of them had been considered for Hokage before, however only because of limited ninja strength available. Kakashi was also elected for Hokage and he is no where near Kage level.

Orchimaru attacked the leaf village years after he left. During this time the
3rd Hokage got older and the 4th Hokage sacrificed his life during the Nine Tailed Fox attack. Even by summoning the 1st Hokage and 2nd Hokage and having the Sound Four blocking outsiders into the fight he barely could manage to come out with a win against an old 3rd Hokage who was nowhere near in his prime.

With that being said that was the only time in the manga showing any of the 3 Sannin winning a match. There name, Sannin, was given to them by Hanzo, who was considered one of the strongest ninjas at the time only in spot that they manage to hold their own and not die in 5 seconds to him like common enemies that approached Hanzo. They basically were pitied upon. The same ninja lost to Nagato who was only a few years trained with his Rinnegan.

This same Nagato created his 6 paths of pain and managed to kill Jirayia in SM. Jirayia was at his with end with arguably 3 of his weaker paths. Many people argue had Jirayia known Pains secret he would have won. This is far-fetched as he could only beat 3 Pains with genjutsu with the assistance of Ma and Pa and was his last resort at beating Pain. Same token had Pain even knew Jirayia could use genjustu 3 Pains would have been enough to take him out.

In the fight between the Sannins all the parties look pathetic against each other in probably one of the worst fights in the manga between 3 highly known characters. All 3 were handicapped for one reason or another due to their poor judgement or inability to sense. Orochimaru had no hands due to the fact of his battle with the 3rd Hokage. Jirayia let Tsunade poison him with some drug. And the fact that he said he was at 30% is laughable. 30% is pretty high considering he was getting his ass handed to him by a No Sign Weilding Orochimaru. Tsunade was recovering from her trauma but her so called strength run out temporarily and didn't have enough of it to kill a weak Orochimaru.

Orochimaru ended up losing to Itachi and Sasuke. Most people argue he was weak against Sasuke lying in bed. However knowing that his body is getting weak why would he think it would be easy to take over Sasuke? Also if Sasuke overspammed MS and started losing vision who's fault is it that he's weak because of it? Orochimaru was ill because his body-transferring technique only allows him to have certain bodies for a certain period of time before it rejects him. His illness is cause by himself in other to stay immortal. This has yet to be seen in Kabuto as well.

Jirayia fails to master justus before Naruto does. Naruto learned Rasegan and a completed SM way before Jirayia even mastered them. Jirayia even considers himself a failure

There's no denying that they are strong. However, they aren't as powerful as their names give them. They were good in Part 1 because not enough characters were introduced. When you see the whole picture they aren't too powerful and most ninjas can stand their ground with them even if they lose

You're such a fool. You only think the Sannin aren't strong because you're underestimating every single person they've lost to.

-Hiruzen beat Orochimaru.
Hiruzen was known as the strongest shinobi of his time. He still managed to hold his own against Orochimaru. This doesn't mean Orochimaru was weak. On the contrary, it means Hiruzen was strong.

-Hanzo was also someone to be feared. He was basically the unofficial 6th Kage of his time; the ruler of the Rain Village. The fact that the Sannin managed to stand their ground is a feat. Especially when they were young Jounin.

-Nagato defeated Jiraiya and Hanzo. Again, this doesn't mean Jiraiya was weak. It means Nagato was strong. Reassess your view on characters.

-Orochimaru lost to Itachi and Sasuke. Again, this doesn't mean Orochimaru was weak. It means Itachi and Sasuke were strong. They were Uchihas. Name 1 person Itachi genuinely lost to. He never lost a fight until his planned death at the hands of Sasuke. That's how strong he was. Sasuke, although not comparable to his brother's genius, was also powerful.

-Naruto mastered the techniques because the damn show is called Naruto. That's the whole point. And the fact that Jiraiya looked down on himself means he was weak? So if he was arrogant and overconfident then that'd make him strong? That doesn't make a shred of sense.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Wheres the backstory on..

1. Hashirama Senju
2. Tobirama Senju
3. A and Bee
4. Madara Uchiha
5. Mei Terumi
6. Onoki
7. Muu
8. Hiruzen Sarutobi
9. Maito Gai
10. All the Akatsuki
11. All the 7 Swordsmen
12. Jinchuriki
13. Hiashi Hyuga
14. Fugaku Uchiha
15. Shisui Uchiha
16. White Fang

Where are their detailed backgrounds? Go ahead and tell me all of those accomplished nothing. Good game, troll. I win.

Obvious troll obivious. Same guy that made Jirayia vs Sasuke thread. jirayia wins no explanation as to how. You might as well add the ramen guy to your list to make it more "troll like". Even all these people have been given brief backgrounds on them. However little they maybe. Even still you are comparing people who all together haven't gotten more manga time than the Sannin. What sense does that make?

 

[Selendrile]

Obvious troll obivious. Same guy that made Jirayia vs Sasuke thread. jirayia wins no explanation as to how. You might as well add the ramen guy to your list to make it more "troll like". Even all these people have been given brief backgrounds on them. However little they maybe. Even still you are comparing people who all together haven't gotten more manga time than the Sannin. What sense does that make?

You have no answer, because you are wrong. Shut up, go climb in your rats nest, and finish off your leftover cheese.

I made a Jiraiya vs. Sasuke thread, yep. And? And? And? Exactly. Back into your hole.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

You're such a fool. You only think the Sannin aren't strong because you're underestimating every single person they've lost to.

-Hiruzen beat Orochimaru.
Hiruzen was known as the strongest shinobi of his time. He still managed to hold his own against Orochimaru. This doesn't mean Orochimaru was weak. On the contrary, it means Hiruzen was strong.

He was considered that at that point and time

-Hanzo was also someone to be feared. He was basically the unofficial 6th Kage of his time; the ruler of the Rain Village. The fact that the Sannin managed to stand their ground is a feat. Especially when they were young Jounin.

only feat that had. considering it was a loss. young nagato who only had a few years of training as shinobi beat him

-Nagato defeated Jiraiya and Hanzo. Again, this doesn't mean Jiraiya was weak. It means Nagato was strong. Reassess your view on characters.

When did I ever say Jirayia was weak?

-Orochimaru lost to Itachi and Sasuke. Again, this doesn't mean Orochimaru was weak. It means Itachi and Sasuke were strong. They were Uchihas. Name 1 person Itachi genuinely lost to. He never lost a fight until his planned death at the hands of Sasuke. That's how strong he was. Sasuke, although not comparable to his brother's genius, was also powerful.

again i didn't say the sannin were weak

-Naruto mastered the techniques because the damn show is called Naruto. That's the whole point. And the fact that Jiraiya looked down on himself means he was weak? So if he was arrogant and overconfident then that'd make him strong? That doesn't make a shred of sense.

that sounds like a personal problem with you and Kishi

again the only fool is you. i never said they were weak. i said they werent powerful. and to be powerful you need to beat strong ninjas. you get no credit for beating weak ninjas. and they havent been shown to beat anyone at all. thank you and try again

 

[Chaotic Blades]

You have no answer, because you are wrong. Shut up, go climb in your rats nest, and finish off your leftover cheese.

I made a Jiraiya vs. Sasuke thread, yep. And? And? And? Exactly. Back into your hole.

you haven't proved anything. you sound mad at the world guy. get over the fact your Jirayia isn't all he's cracked up to me. Kishi isn't gonna make a manga for every ****ing character in full detail. he gives what he can about them. mainly because fools like you complain about fillers or wasteless flashback episodes. again tell me what they have done? NOTHING. so you have gotten no were with your "point"

 

[Jack Spicer]

They are very powerful, but not with Naruto "I spam Rasengan", Pain "Rinnegan user", Madara "Kishi Op'd me with Rinnegan, EMS, Susano'o", and Tobi "Free Rinnegan's for everyone!+Time/Space ninjutsu and Sharingan!" running around.

 

[Selendrile]

you haven't proved anything. you sound mad at the world guy. get over the fact your Jirayia isn't all he's cracked up to me. Kishi isn't gonna make a manga for every ****ing character in full detail. he gives what he can about them. mainly because fools like you complain about fillers or wasteless flashback episodes. again tell me what they have done? NOTHING. so you have gotten no were with your "point"

Your idiotic point was, "Since they have no backstory, they aren't powerful."

The characters I listed have little, to no backstory.

Therefore, you're saying they aren't powerful as well, when we know they are.

You lose again. Good game, troll.

Also, I would like you to quote me stating, I hate fillers and flashbacks. Oh wait, you can't find one? Guess that means you're lying.

Good game, troll.

Heretic: 3
Troll: -2

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Your idiotic point was, "Since they have no backstory, they aren't powerful."

The characters I listed have little, to no backstory.

Therefore, you're saying they aren't powerful as well, when we know they are.

You lose again. Good game, troll.

Also, I would like you to quote me stating, I hate fillers and flashbacks. Oh wait, you can't find one? Guess that means you're lying.

Good game, troll.

Heretic: 3
Troll: -2

Now when did I say if they have no background story they are weak? I don't believe i did. And considering the Sannin do have backgrounds, thats all they get. It's that simple. They were told what was important. For example, If Tsunade found the cure to cancer why the **** would it not be mentioned?

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[Selendrile]

Now when did I say if they have no background story they are weak? I don't believe i did. And considering the Sannin do have backgrounds, thats all they get. It's that simple. They were told what was important. For example, If Tsunade found the cure to cancer why the **** would it not be mentioned?

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Idiot. Your entire thread is about since they haven't been stated to have done anything, (ALSO KNOWN AS A BACKSTORY), they are weak.

Provide evidence for one of your points.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

Idiot. Your entire thread is about since they haven't been stated to have done anything, (ALSO KNOWN AS A BACKSTORY), they are weak.

Provide evidence for one of your points.

I did. Go back and read fool. And no my first post didn't say anything about a backstory, you just made that up. And ya why would i give credit to them with they have done nothing? and what more proof do you want, there is nothing in the manga that states they have done anything, its that simple. No one in the world thinks like that where you award people for nothing except you apparently. Do you want a blank image of nothing?

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[Exaar]

Fail Thread is Fail

 

[-Vegeta-]

Jiraiya was the only sannin that ever really impressed me. Neither Orochimaru or Tsunade really impressed me in any way.

 

[King of Hell]

Yeah, Neither are the Kage's and Akatsuki.

 

[sarkul93]

the creator of this thread is a retard...just a thread is not going to make the sannin weak...anyways dont speak of jiraya atleast...he had the guts to never give up ...the most important attribute of a shinobi...carrying just those guts naruto is going to win war,stop tobi(madara),and bring peace to ninja world...

 

[siyo]

This might be the most moronic thread ever (no offense to OP).You need to re-read the manga, or at least work on your reading comprehension if you honestly believe that about the legendary sannin .I know that everything is relative, and a lot of the ranking is subjective, but you can’t ignore facts in the manga. They are all kage level fighters.

Orochimaru alone defeated two sitting kages, and one of them was considered the strongest of them all, Hiruzen Sarutobi. Akatsuki and the leaf were both after him yet he somehow managed to stay alive, and not only that but he experimented on pretty much anything and everybody. Even Tobi was surprised how much he truly knew-the guy decoded the secret tablet without any doujutsu. He rivaled Hiruzen in ninjutsu and was actually having fun playing with the four tailed fox (in a weakened body).You think Sasuke joined him for fun? All the five villages were scared shitless of the mere possibility of facing him, and Kakashi showed more fear for him than he did for Itachi himself.

Jiraiya taught two of the strongest characters in Nagato and Minato. Kisame and Itachi decided both to not fight him, because he was in league of his own. You might say that Itachi was only saying that because of his “loyalty to the leaf”, even though you can debate it, just look at the order he gave to Kisame (regarding the leaf), but what about Kisame? No excuses there, he openly admitted that the legendary swordsmen (including himself) were nothing compared to the legendary sannin(fact). Jiraiya turned down the most prestige’s job title around, as the hokage, down twice. He was also one of the few sages, which is a great accomplishment, and he disposed of Konan in two seconds.

Tsunade was credited the 2nd shinobi war, with her incredible medical abilities, as well, as her intelligence in forming the evolutionary three men cells. She combated (and was superior) to the legendary Chiyo, who was famous for her poisons. She is also the reigning Hokage, and in that position, she recently saved the leaf from total destruction (by her enormous chakra reserves) after the mighty Pain visited. She stood her ground and took a shinra tensei like a boss.

Collectively they are known as the greatest team ever. Whether you like them or not - don’t disregard facts.

Btw, if you’re a troll don’t bother responding.

 

[Chaotic Blades]

the creator of this thread is a retard...just a thread is not going to make the sannin weak...anyways dont speak of jiraya atleast...he had the guts to never give up ...the most important attribute of a shinobi...carrying just those guts naruto is going to win war,stop tobi(madara),and bring peace to ninja world...

Why does everyone say I think they are weak. i never said that once in my thread. learn how to read. guts doesn't make a ninja powerful. you can't make "A" into a "B".

This might be the most moronic thread ever (no offense to OP).You need to re-read the manga, or at least work on your reading comprehension if you honestly believe that about the legendary sannin .I know that everything is relative, and a lot of the ranking is subjective, but you can’t ignore facts in the manga. They are all kage level fighters.

Edit: You said they were Kage level fighters yet only one has been shown in the manga to beat an A-rank to S-rank ninja, and that ninja wasn't even his prime when he beat him

Orochimaru alone defeated two sitting kages, and one of them was considered the strongest of them all, Hiruzen Sarutobi. Akatsuki and the leaf were both after him yet he somehow managed to stay alive, and not only that but he experimented on pretty much anything and everybody. Even Tobi was surprised how much he truly knew-the guy decoded the secret tablet without any doujutsu. He rivaled Hiruzen in ninjutsu and was actually having fun playing with the four tailed fox (in a weakened body).You think Sasuke joined him for fun? All the five villages were scared shitless of the mere possibility of facing him, and Kakashi showed more fear for him than he did for Itachi himself.

Jiraiya taught two of the strongest characters in Nagato and Minato. Kisame and Itachi decided both to not fight him, because he was in league of his own. You might say that Itachi was only saying that because of his “loyalty to the leaf”, even though you can debate it, just look at the order he gave to Kisame (regarding the leaf), but what about Kisame? No excuses there, he openly admitted that the legendary swordsmen (including himself) were nothing compared to the legendary sannin(fact). Jiraiya turned down the most prestige’s job title around, as the hokage, down twice. He was also one of the few sages, which is a great accomplishment, and he disposed of Konan in two seconds.

Tsunade was credited the 2nd shinobi war, with her incredible medical abilities, as well, as her intelligence in forming the evolutionary three men cells. She combated (and was superior) to the legendary Chiyo, who was famous for her poisons. She is also the reigning Hokage, and in that position, she recently saved the leaf from total destruction (by her enormous chakra reserves) after the mighty Pain visited. She stood her ground and took a shinra tensei like a boss.

Collectively they are known as the greatest team ever. Whether you like them or not - don’t disregard facts.

Btw, if you’re a troll don’t bother responding.

That was more of the leaf who's strongest fighter was Kakashi at the time and he is nowhere near Kage. And yes they are strong. But there is nothing to say they are powerful which is a whole different category. And their accomplishments and sacrifice have nothing to do with their actual power. Why are people bringing that into the discussion? I would suggest rereading my original post instead of thinking what I said and knowing what I said. The fact is the 3 sannin were only looked upon as powerful because they were pretty much the only powerful thing introduced in Part 1. Now that we are seeing the ninja world as a whole, they title is based on respect way more than power