[Discussion] Sanji vs Capone incoming
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KingHashirama
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you believe they are one the same level.. Many others believe Luffy and Zoro are on the same level.
But you are coming here acting like you are some highly intellectual person, while majority of you (the people who have the same opinion as you) have failed to put out how they have been on the same level. If you don't want to explain, then stop wasting people's time with dumb posts. They aren't on the same level, they never were on the same level.. especially after the whole Mihawk incident. And especially due to the whole Luffy/Roger Zoro/rayleigh.
Its impossible for them to be on the same level.. it doesn't make any sense at all.
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@Bold Only Zoro dickriders think that
Mots of the people defending Sanji have made good points, while I see your making the Luffy and Zoro/Roger and Rayleigh comparison when that's not valid. Only Luffy has been portrayed to be the same as Roger not the whole crew.
It's not impossible for them to be the same level when they've been shown to have rivalry and fought similar opponents most of the time.
KingHashirama
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Then Sanji dickriders think the opposite.. cool?
Just like most of the people defending Zoro being a level above have made good points, while the ones defending Sanji have only been able to come up with this "They have been shown to be on the same level".. and then the proof to support this is.. ?? oh yes the fight against the opponents.. While those same fans will deny the fights of Zoro and how hes shown to be on luffy's level.
Roger and Rayleigh = Luffy and Zoro.. anyone who has been reading the manga from the start to the recent chapter has the ability to come to this conclusion, by merely the set up and the character types of Zoro and Rayleigh. Go review their characters.
It is impossible. Their little "rivalry".. you mean the comedic action scenes that are shown over and over with hardly any purpose to them, besides comedy? Then why do you forget the Zoro vs Luffy, when they shown to be pretty much even??
Name me 1 other person besides Zoro in the strawhats who is aiming to be the greatest fighter. (Though Luffy is of course aiming to be the strongest pirate, hence the only way to the pirate king).
VVVVV This scan was already a set up to them being on the same level at the end. Both Luffy and Zoro will be sheer beasts, Luffy being the stronger one while Zoro under him, however on the same level.
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Totsuka No Tsurugi
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Luffy>>>>Zoro..
those who said Luffy = Zoro or Zoro > Luffy is either zoro dickriders or idiots, its just that simple.
those who said Luffy = Zoro or Zoro > Luffy is either zoro dickriders or idiots, its just that simple.
KingHashirama
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Oda must be the greatest Zoro dickrider for saying Zoro and Luffy are on the same level in 2 different databooks then. Not sure why this discussion turned into this though.
As for the topic at hand, like i've said before i heavily doubt Sanji could beat any of the worse generation Capone included. Sanji had heavy portrayal pretimeskip but ever since the introduction of sabaody supernovas, their portrayal exceed Sanji's. The supernova captains aren't really portrayed to be too far from each other and Killer has a partner like relationship with Kid who is probably the strongest of them, implying the closeness in their strength, not leaving enough roon for Sanji. Infact Killer is to Kid what Zoro is to Luffy
- Top 5 Worse generation(Kid, Hawkins, Law, Drake, Luffy)
- Zoro, Killer, Apoo
- Urouge, Bonney, Capone
I used to think Sanji was in the last group, but seeing how they are portrayed currently, i think he is more like a step under them, at least until proven otherwise
As for the topic at hand, like i've said before i heavily doubt Sanji could beat any of the worse generation Capone included. Sanji had heavy portrayal pretimeskip but ever since the introduction of sabaody supernovas, their portrayal exceed Sanji's. The supernova captains aren't really portrayed to be too far from each other and Killer has a partner like relationship with Kid who is probably the strongest of them, implying the closeness in their strength, not leaving enough roon for Sanji. Infact Killer is to Kid what Zoro is to Luffy
- Top 5 Worse generation(Kid, Hawkins, Law, Drake, Luffy)
- Zoro, Killer, Apoo
- Urouge, Bonney, Capone
I used to think Sanji was in the last group, but seeing how they are portrayed currently, i think he is more like a step under them, at least until proven otherwise
Vandenre1ch
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According to the logic of the thread opener, yes.Apparently God Usopp with 500mil is stronger than Sanji
Arlong Park- Kurobi>Hachi. No real reason to think otherwise. Zoro was injured so that Hachi can put up a fight while Sanji destroyed Kurobi.
Alabasta- Oda portrayed Mr 1 and 2 on being on the same level by having them brawl with Mr 2 pressuring Mr 1, dodging his attacks and sending him flying back with a kick. What sets them apart is Mr 1's DF power and Mr 2 couldn't damage steel. Zoro got messed because he couldn't cut steel and Sanji showed that he was obviously stronger than Mr 2 which is why the okama resorted to dirty tricks like turning into Nami.
Skypiea- Sanji got blasted by Ene's lightning and was still conscious. He even made a eitty comeback after Enel left. Sanji knew that he was no match for Enel so he stood down. A 2nd blast would've laid Sanji out. Zoro got blasted by Enel and was still conscious. It was a 2nd blast that laid Zoro out.
Enies Lobby- Why is this even a problem? That Kaku and Jabra thing is obvious. Why would Oda show Kaku and Jabra's(Zoro and Sanji's opponents) brute strength being so close in numbers? Besides, Zoro fought Kaku first. When Sanji fought and beat Jabra, Zoro was still fighting Kaku. It shows that they are close in strength.
Thriller Bark- Zoro fight Ryuma and Sanji was completely destroying Absalom without getting touched. It was a comedic fight with Sanji getting distracted by Nami and she was a big hindrance to him.
Fishman Island- Both Zoro and Sanji, standing side by side in the same panel, calmly gave their opinions on Luffy's CoC. They both at the same time, prevented Hody's goons from going after their captian with Zoro watching Luffy's right and Sanji watching Luffy's left. That is symbolism showing Luffy is in his own level and Zoro and Sanji are on the same level and the left and right hands of Luffy.
You mean those databooks from many, many years ago when Oda gave Luffy and Zoro a 5 in the category of brute strength? Wasnt one of those databooks before Water 7?
Even though u might not agree with me but...
Oda is throwing at us the obvious.
Luffy always battle against the strongest villain,Zoro the second strongest,and Sanji then the third.
So Oda is basically saying Luffy>Zoro>Sanji.
And no I never said Sanji wouldn't be able to defeat Zoro's opponents.This is just Oda throwing us the facts.
Oda is throwing at us the obvious.
Luffy always battle against the strongest villain,Zoro the second strongest,and Sanji then the third.
So Oda is basically saying Luffy>Zoro>Sanji.
And no I never said Sanji wouldn't be able to defeat Zoro's opponents.This is just Oda throwing us the facts.
Vandenre1ch
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The most obvious fact. Problem is people putting Zoro up Luffy's rear and far away from Sanji.
Actually with the final showing of G4 and the way he treated someone like Doffy, I know Dofla was injured and all but he was really having a hard time keeping up with his speed and also with his power, I actually think unless we see more from Zoro & Sanji then Luffy has really detached himself from Zoro and Sanji for a fair amount, actually right now Zoro and Sanji should be closer in power than Luffy and Zoro for me atleast.
Look, go read what you just wrote, maybe it makes more sense when it's in your little brain and typing it. But it makes no sense when you actually finished it.
I just said why Sanji is still pretty close to Zoro and all you can come up with is uhhh uhhh (like saying uhh is cool because we can see your emo i don't care kind of act here) bruh but how do you know Zoro's opponent wasn't stronger ? go prove it to me bro.
Well here is the well I wont fu<king go through all that trouble because of two reasons.
1) You don't read, and your counter arguments are wank
2) Why do I have to prove how strong they are compared to Zoro's opponent. This thing is your whole sword fetish, why don't you go explain to me why Sanji's opponents are so much weaker. See I can play that game too. it's not even a good argument.
Oda literally showed how close Zoro and Sanji were in Enies lobby, in all the other fights Zoro fight the right hand man and zoro the left hand man, and according to you the left hand man is apparently much weaker, because that makes sense right ?
Also all your panels about becoming the strongest and all the vows mean jack shlt, if you're on the ship of the future pirate king, you will be the strongest no matter what at the end, including Sanji. Maybe training beast Zoro should ask Cook Sanji how he is able to keep up without lifting any weights. Zoro is probably skipping black leg day *drops mic*
You said and insinuated it yourself a dozen times, why the hell do you think everybody is saying it otherwise. If you're driving in traffic with a 100 ghost riders, you might be on the wrong side of the road.
Except Zoro was struggeling with an enemy who had basically the same douroki as Sanji's guy while Luffy was fighting one who had twice that amount. (there is the uhh act again) uuuhhh look at me thinking here boysss, yea a big gap between Luffy and the other two in the monster trio.
I rest my case, you don't even know what you've said yourself. Let alone how well you've read my and other people's posts before responding with dumb shlt.
You got wrecked son, don't even bother responding anymore.
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omg this stupid shit again, Oda doesn't write the databooks. He has people to do it and it's sold as merchandise with some of his sketches and shit. It's just as much cannon as a One Piece Chopper calendar.
No logical people think otherwise.
There has been good evidence for Sanji's side.
No they're not only Luffy and Roger has shown similarities. Only thing Rayleigh and Zoro have in common is that they use swords and drink....So that mean Zoro is Shanks now aswell foh.
Comedic fights or not they have a rivalry, this has been highlighted a lot. Zoro vs Luffy was a gag fight which ended up Nami beating them both. Even if this was accurate portrayal that only means thye were equal at Whisekey peak unlike Sanji and Zoro.
Please dreams don't really amount to anything power wise, by your logic Usopp is stronger than Sanji because being a great warrior of the sea has more to do with fighting than finding the all blue.
Those sans only state their goals not that they're are going to be on the same level.
Yes because half of the poeple you named even have feats....:sdo:
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@Zhoom Kaido has no feats dude. Do you have any doubt he could crush Caribou? See the portrayal. Even if we go by feats, Zoro can currently defeat Sanji without using Asura related techniques and the rest of the worse gen are around his lvl if not stronger
@Vanderreich it's in the green data that they were rated via numbers and eventhen both Zoro and Luffy had a higher score than Sanji, so it should tell you something. The yellow databook covered enies lobby and it was said Zoro is on Luffy's lvl. Also take a note at the number of times Zoro has been questioned about why he is not the captain even unside the manga and it should tell you something even in the current arc by a old legend and ancient leader who fought Luffy(Chinjao). It should tell you that Oda always view them as close well until gear4 at least. There is also the fact that he envisions him as the vice captain and grouped him in the worse gen alongside his captain. All that should tell you that he doesn't realky envision Zoro and Sanji to be that close powerwise. They have a brotherly rivalry, but when it comes down to battle not so much. It's not like they compete against each other in the same area of expertise to accomplish a goal, which is the real definition of a rival, no they don't.
In fishmen island, Sanji shared his fight with Jinbe against a 1steroid subordinated who was couched earlier by Luffys jet pistol. Luffy and Zoro were the one fighting allied who got a transformation and that was the only crew batrle they got so far, yet see how superior Luffy abd Zoro portrayak was. After that since Law came, Luffy, Zoro and Law are the one taking down arc antagonist
It's Luffy and Zoro whose entire character is based on fighting. That said it was my final post on the matter
@Vanderreich it's in the green data that they were rated via numbers and eventhen both Zoro and Luffy had a higher score than Sanji, so it should tell you something. The yellow databook covered enies lobby and it was said Zoro is on Luffy's lvl. Also take a note at the number of times Zoro has been questioned about why he is not the captain even unside the manga and it should tell you something even in the current arc by a old legend and ancient leader who fought Luffy(Chinjao). It should tell you that Oda always view them as close well until gear4 at least. There is also the fact that he envisions him as the vice captain and grouped him in the worse gen alongside his captain. All that should tell you that he doesn't realky envision Zoro and Sanji to be that close powerwise. They have a brotherly rivalry, but when it comes down to battle not so much. It's not like they compete against each other in the same area of expertise to accomplish a goal, which is the real definition of a rival, no they don't.
In fishmen island, Sanji shared his fight with Jinbe against a 1steroid subordinated who was couched earlier by Luffys jet pistol. Luffy and Zoro were the one fighting allied who got a transformation and that was the only crew batrle they got so far, yet see how superior Luffy abd Zoro portrayak was. After that since Law came, Luffy, Zoro and Law are the one taking down arc antagonist
It's Luffy and Zoro whose entire character is based on fighting. That said it was my final post on the matter
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Kaido is a YONKO Irrelvant comparison, plus he's made DD shit himself just by referencing his name. Yes Zoro could beat Sanji med-dif but who says the rest are on his level? People like Bonney and Capone was pre TS so why now?
KingHashirama
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Then other logical people think otherwise also then.
Same for Zoro's side. Simply proceed to look at what happened after THriller Bark, Sanji K.O'd by the hilt of a sword, Zoro proceeds to take all of Luffy's damage, same level you say? I don't think so. Sure they didn't do good against O.Z , but it was the same for the rest of the crew who don't even come close to Zoro/Sanji's strength. But when it came to those 2, Zoro was portrayed way above.
No Ben Beckman is the "zoro" of Shank's group. Both of that 1 eye scar, both use the sword, both are the right hand men, both were the first to join their respective crews, both care for the captain deeply... you can actually see Zoro in rayleigh.. lol. You can deny it if you want go ahead.. But Rayleigh = Zoro, Luffy = Roger
At Thriller Bark aftermath, the difference in their level is shown. Luffy vs Zoro was gonna be an actual fight had it not been stopped. The greatest swordsman of all time, will be on the same level as the Pirate King.
Of course, but being a great warrior of the sea doesn't translate into being the GREATEST warrior of the sea. Luffy is going to be the strongest pirate, Zoro is going be the strongest swordsmen. Both are aiming for number 1.. Ussop isn't.
Those scans state and portray their combination and how their relationship of trust and power will be going hand to hand.
I'm just wondering...
When you ride zoro's dlck in your dreams, do you like to look at him or are you going for the reverse cowboy ?
Also the amount of parallels you try to come up with just on the fact of swords and scars are laughable. You're only two = signs away from saying Zoro = Illuminati = 9/11 conspiracy.
There is no amount of tin foil in the world that can be made into hats to block us from your idiot radiation I'm a afraid. Well done, I told you two pages ago not to turn this into a thread that it isn't. But you still managed to do that.
You're like the forum version of Ebola.
Mephew D Kensei
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The thread is Capone vs Sanji right(just to make sure b4 I get myself labelled a retard)
While I don't like taking bounties as the Bible guide to strength for OP, i have to say that the Supanova are a bit of an exception to this as from their introduction bounties are the most visible info about them that can rank them.
So potrayal wise the SN area pedastal/title away from Sanji though his M3 title by virtue of two of the other M3 in the SN draws him close to the SN and it doesn't hurt his chances that both Luffy and Zoro have upper half spots in most of the SN rankings I've seen. So with all that said I think Sanji can contend with the bottom feeder SN but I think he is a bad match up for Capone and maybe Urouge(if i understood well Inga Zarash) then there is Bonney whom he is probably stronger than but being a she makes it that Kalifa type battle for him and her ability would more or less give us the same results.
For now I say Sanji loses, but here's to hoping he gets a few super feets in(if the pun is good then intended if not then not haha.
While I don't like taking bounties as the Bible guide to strength for OP, i have to say that the Supanova are a bit of an exception to this as from their introduction bounties are the most visible info about them that can rank them.
So potrayal wise the SN area pedastal/title away from Sanji though his M3 title by virtue of two of the other M3 in the SN draws him close to the SN and it doesn't hurt his chances that both Luffy and Zoro have upper half spots in most of the SN rankings I've seen. So with all that said I think Sanji can contend with the bottom feeder SN but I think he is a bad match up for Capone and maybe Urouge(if i understood well Inga Zarash) then there is Bonney whom he is probably stronger than but being a she makes it that Kalifa type battle for him and her ability would more or less give us the same results.
For now I say Sanji loses, but here's to hoping he gets a few super feets in(if the pun is good then intended if not then not haha
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