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>Holding back
They were against Shin whom Sasuke also fought while weakened from crossing dimensions.
nothing states, he was weakened from that cause
the context always was they were weakened due to being rusty cause of times of peace
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Given the pet Fox's words on full health Naruto's lackluster performance it's true for him, but not of his superior rival. Who they're both 0-4 against, by the way.
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Shin was speaking from ignorance (about Sauce, not the limp Noodle). He was taught better in round two where Master Sasuke swiftly defeated him. Sealing the deal on yet another villian/main villian (more than Naruto by the way).
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Shin had the sentiment as naruto, it's perfectly consistent so nothing is inconsistent really
also due to sasuke having the same power naruto also had to get nerfed else one would be stronger then the another
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nothing objectively really shows that he got stronger from the kinshiki fight versus the shin fight, he struggles against some guy who even chojuro beat. It proves nothing
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"Shin had the sentiment as naruto" Yeah, Shin obviously must've known how both of them were like pre-Boruto, right? Taking the word of someone who wasn't there to witness it at face value is pretty fucking unreliable, I'd say.
"also due to sasuke having the same power naruto"
Naruto doesn't have an instantaneous S/T tech like Sasuke last time I checked. Even with his SO6P+BM speed or whatever he is slower; Sasuke was constantly blitzing Madara in their last square-off. Sounds like a good difference to me and that's just counting one of them. VOTE2 is MC plot armor at its peak.
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The consistency is them both making ignorant statements about Sasuke that was proven wrong when he regained power. Seems you missed Naruto's response. Buttom right panel.
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You're also overlooking how Sarada being there is why he was hit.
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Manga>outside statements. Speaking of consistency, Sasuke was stronger before so no surprise he is afterward. SPSM Naruto said he couldn't hold back against kid Shin when he saw his Mangekyo. The same kid Shin who got bodied and ran away from a weakened Sasuke.
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You're right but in the wrong way. Sasuke didn't get stronger from round two til Kinshiki, but you're ignoring round two as if it doesn't exist, in favor of one.
>Beat by Chojuro
Chojuro beat him in a group effort with most of the work being done by Sasuke.
>Struggled with
In round one & three he was weakened from crossing dimensions. In neither instance did he use Susano. In round two he was in full health. Kinshiki couldn't even hit a base Sasuke who was holding Sarada.
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Both characters were key to defeat a major figure in a war not 10 years ago, you think shin is not aware of naruto
Shin is apparently so uneducated, he does not know the literal leader of the village which he comes from and apparently would also be so ignorant that he knew nothing of the world war where naruto defeated the leader of the opposing faction.
he can be rusty and have diminished power from chakra drainage
nether thing is really proof that the former is wrong, you can have low stamina and also be rusty infact wouldt people who are rusty likely have more stamina problems then not
never stated, that he got stronger from the fourth war
opposite is suggested though
Because chojuro plus kurotsuchi surely are above kaguya right, you boruto stans with your trash lv arguments.
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The same kurotsuchi got bodied by base kuu.
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The same kuu who even with powerups, couldt best an ubber nerfed onoki
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Your ignoring context that was because shikamaru fodderized him with shadow possession preventing the foddershiki from moving any bit, it's not like sasuke was evading strikes from this dude while holding his daughter
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Very good, you almost made sense. That's a step forward. But like I said, almost. How many people were present during the fights that happened after Naruto and Sasuke received sage-powerups? That's right. Team 7 and the others that are obviously dead and can't tell anyone anything. Apparently Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura and/or Kakashi gave full interviews to make everyone aware of those two's cool powerups. Yeah, bullshit. At most general things would be known and maybe T7 talked about it in detail with people they're close to, but outside of that, it's not like every one knows how the fight went down.
You're less dumb than the last time though. Keep it up.
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He's aware of abilities Sasuke used that few people saw? He even had to ask kid Shin how strong he was in general.
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Naruto only believed he was rusty til he found out his power was diminished.
Doesn't need to be stated. It was clearly shown. At the Valley Kurama said Sasuke's inexperience with Rinnegan is why he can't use his own technique (Chidori) while absorbing. Furthermore, after a teleporting a few yards Sasuke needed rest from a few uses. Now he can cross entire dimensions and still teleport without needing rest.
Landing hits with Sasuke's help doesn't put them above Kaguya.
Kuu? Sounds like someone irrelevant to canon.
If he did would you concede?
in otherwords, you have no proof to counter mine and your just making shit up as the facts presented hurts your retarded ass headcanon
Non point, This thread uses anime versions
You can cry non canon all you like, I can and will post material that you dont like sorry the world does not revolve around you
Onoki is still above his granddaughter according to official sources and that fact does not change cause you just so happen to dislike that specific source
not to mention, The cooomunity's idea of canon is nothing short of bs
Everything wrote by the creator would be canon yet you same idiots count dbs and boruto both of which are not wrote by the creator of their series proving it was never about the creator's intent or whatever nonsense which you make up to justify your tastes in media
kishimoto said the same thing, but again your fethishtation of the man only matters when it confirms your already existing biases
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Kishimoto: since kids are involved, the scale went down
Fandom: Nah im right, **** you kishi,shin,naruto. Everything offical is wrong and my bullshit fucking headcanon yea that's right
you guys are fucking jokes acting like you care about having discourse but moan and bitch anytime one person so much disagrees with one modicum of something which you hold as sacred, for all your whining about the manga doe you guys are sure fast to dismiss it when it disagrees such as sakura's beating sasori's ass anyway keep being a public joke who holds no amount of consistency or logicality only spewing consenus that has and been disproven by anyone who's not a retard unlike you
No, im not wrong
Why would i concede, I dont need to lie and make shit up as you do in order to make a point
Sasuke dodged kinshiki with sarada in his arms when we both knew full well what the actual context was, Why would someone resorting to lying ever be right it shows how bad your grasping at straws here
In both of the gifs, provided sasuke did nothing and your just making shit up again to excuse the holes in your fucking nonsense
Kinshiki is fucking fodder and kaguya would whoop his ass, I dont need to go lol let's ignore this feat or that feat for me to have my position but with you, It requires you pretending that chojuro didt actually effortlessly kick his shit in and then lose to rando chunnin arcs later
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LOL DOES NOT COUNT, IT'S NOT CANON
FUCKING JOKE, GET OFF MY THREAD. YOU GOD DAMN RETARDED FUCKING IDIOT LIKE YOU CANT UNDERSTAND IM MAKING A HYPOTHICAL LIKE YOU SERIOUSLY BELIEVE IM RETARDED ENOUGH LIKE YOU TO THINK KUROTSUCHI WOULD BE STRONGER THEN KAGUYA
I WAS MAKING FUN OF YOUR NONSENSE, KINSHIKI IS FODDER AND LOSES TO SHIT KAGE. Imagine being a tsuchikage without dust release or strength amplification
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Naruto defeated a guy starting a world war and shin was obessesed with killing sasuke as revenge for itachi whom he worshipped, The idea that shin of all characters would have no idea what he's talking about is beyond rididious and only shows how stupid you guys are
the narrative says they are weaker, kishimoto agrees with it
No reason to doubt what the manga and mangaka say outside of what is obviously bias
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