lanakau888
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Magnitude 10 facepalm.
Have you even forgotten what we are talking about!? We are talking about naruto's ability to fool intelligent ninja with kagebunshins. He fool kakuzu twice, despite kakuzu's 4.5 in intelligence.
Magnitude 11 facepalm.
In the previous post you are saying that because of Bees sole ability to control his beast better than naruto, he should have better chakra control.
I responded to this by saying that being able to control a tailed beast does not equal great chakra control. It is because naruto can balance the very unstable natural energy perfectly, that he has great chakra control, not because of his control over the ninetails.
Now you are saying that because kishi hasn't mentioned Bee's chakra control ability I can't prove that it is below naruto's.
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When did I ever say that Gai broke out of itachi's genjutsu!?
You said in an earlier post that only genjutsu users, people who have tailed beast to snap them out, and dojutsu users can counter genjutsu, which is why I brought up Gai.
Oh and I posted scans. I don't see you doing it. And they are not theories.
I highly advise you to look at your previous posts to see what you and I are actually debating about instead of whatever the heck you are doing right now.
lanakau888
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So the fact that if naruto's intention was to kill the ninetails he would have won doesn't matter now?
Okay, I guess the fact that itachi wasn't trying to kill sasuke doesn't matter now either. So hebi sasuke > itachi by your logic.
Itachi beat naruto twice with genjutsu. Once in an actual battle
The other when naruto was using lots of his chakra to supply hundreds of clones to look for sasuke.
And all this is waaaaay before current naruto, who is smarter and has waaaaay more chakra control then he had back then.
If you actually are one of those itachitards who believe that itachi saved naruto and bee because he was way stronger than them, and that it wasn't because nagato's entire focus was on them then I really don't think anything I say, or even kishi says will change your mind.
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Blaze Release
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Getting bored of having to repeat myself. Im not trying to hinder naruto's chances of beating itachi. Its just a fact that it was in naruto's mind, thats where the 'battle' took place.
The reason why i didnt come up with links is because, firstly im tired and cannot be bothered, also i had too much respect for you. I thought you'd know your stuff, therefore there wasnt really a need for proof.
All ive said would make sense (without needing to provide links) to a true naruto fan who reads and fully understands the manga
lanakau888
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You never answered my question about do you think kishi would have made the most decisive fight a fake one. Answer that and we can leave that argument as a difference of opinion.
Dude whats with you and this respect. Even if by chance you happen to post the stupidest statements ever, my respect for you won't change. It may change on the subject at hand, but not overall respect. Even against guys like Macho and thunderbold who people constantly call sasuke fanboys and minato haters, when they post something new I have always given them the benefit of the doubt.
On to the actual post I know you know your stuff, yet I showed you many scans that refuted what you have said. If I am wrong and you can prove me wrong, I would gladly like you to do so.
Well then I guess you and I will just leave it at this because the criteria for being "a true naruto fan" is highly opinionated. But from what I've seen IMO you are more like a true itachi fan.
Blaze Release
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9 tailed vs naruto, took place in naruto mind. FACT
Fuuton wind rasengan didnt leave a scratch on the 3rd raikage. FACT
Sage mode naruto was defeat by pein and its the fox that saved him. FACT.
From what youve said its clear as day that you are a true naruto fan and would even come up with non sense to say that he can actually defeat the 9 tailed fox and the 3rd raikage
itachi maybe a beast but naruto is a beast tamer..itachi is just a beast :|
he can outsmart naruto anytime and trick him U_U
itachi can joke around with naruto using genjutsu just like he did when naruto fought him in the gaara's death arc
yeah we'r talking about sage mode but my vote goes to itachi U_U
there is no way itachi can win against naruto...
naruto got two superpowerful jutsu called plot-no-jutsu and talk-no-jutsu.
naruto wins easily..nuff said
Well, he was overall weakened.. what makes you so sure that he wasn't mentally damaged as well? and when Naruto arrived.. Kakuzu wasn't on his original body status, and despite all that.. 4.5 is still lower than 5.0, right? so I don't know what are you trying to prove on that.
Basically because I thought you meant having Chakra control over the tailed beasts, then I saw what you meant on the natural energy Chakra control..
And you think Naruto is going to use the same method as Gai's did to counter Genjutsu? I don't think so.. Gai is a highly skilled Taijutsu Ninja, Naruto is in no where near Gai's level on Taijutsu.. so Naruto will not be able to use the same method as Gai did to counter Itachi's Genjutsu..
Also, what I meant by countering the Genjutsu is actually revocation it, something that would counter the Genjutsu and wears it off, and Gai didn't do that.. he simply tried to avoid it.
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lanakau888
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answer my question, a simple yes or no will do.
Temari's wind net cut up the third without his shield. FACT
Fuuton rasenshuriken destroyed the third raikage's shield. FACT
Fuuton rasenshuriken >>>>> wind net. FACT
Naruto can use two rasenshurikens in sage mode, one right after the other. FACT
Naruto was taken out of sage mode by pain. FACT
Base naruto was defeated by pain. FACT
Pain never damaged sage naruto. FACT
He did defeat half the fox. I've shown you exactly how he could and would defeat the third raikage. You are highly-highly underestimating sage naruto. You probably don't even think sage naruto can beat any of the five kages.
You probably don't even think base naruto can beat kakashi.
lanakau888
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HAHAHAH, so every time someone is weakened, we will have to debate on whether the attack mentally damaged him as well.
Naruto arrived in the same condition that kakuzu did. Naruto had been training all day and kakuzu asked why naruto came to the battle half-beaten already. 4.5 is lower than 5.0, but a .5 difference, and a waaaay earlier naruto, who's intelligence is a lot greater now. And that naruto not only fooled him once, but twice.
cool
Once again you are missing what I am trying to say. Go back a few pages and look at the scan that I posted. It shows Gai easily getting out of genjutsu, despite him being a taijutsu expert.
And if we are talking about the feet thing, naruto can sense itachi with sage mode.
Naruto doesn't have to counter it, he just has to get out of it. Getting out of genjutsu requires high chakra control which enables the ninja to send a burst of chakra throughout one's system. Naruto after mastering sage mode has extremely high chakra control. He will get out of itachi's basic genjutsu, but not tsukuyomi.
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lanakau888
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And this is sort of where I stand. Yet other people think itachi will solo naruto in an instant.
not that op dude. you're just a fanboy.where did you get that 500days in 1 sec? lol.hilarious.
the fact is tsukoyomi was only used twice by itachi in the manga.. one is with kakashi which is a success and the second one is against sasuke which is a FAIL. not to mention after every use of tsukuyomi there is a huge drawback on itachi.
sage mode is more op than tsukoyomi I think. it amplifies the users body and overall stats 100 folds.
what part do you not get that he controls space and time there, you think he cant make it 500 days? or do you think the max is 3 days -_- ,he said himself he's the god of that world, and controls everything, y do you think kakashi questioned why itachi didnt kill him? and i dont care about sasukes tsukyomi, itachis the op 1 who can knock jounin levil ninja out cold in 1 sec
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Well, then how come Naruto didn't fool Itachi after he met him for the 3rd time by using the clones? he easily got caught by his Genjutsu, and that happened after Kakuzu's events dude..
Dude, you're comparing this Genjutsu to Itachi's high levels Genjutsu's like Tsukuyomi? I don't think Gai can break through Itachi's Tsukuyomi, can he? neither Naruto can, that's right..
He can't dude, Itachi's Genjutsu's are way too tricky to get out of it, he's the master of all Genjutsu's, once you are trapped in it.. there is no way you'd escape from it unless you are just as good as him by using Genjutsu.
lanakau888
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Because all of his hundreds of clones were busy trying to find sasuke.
I told you how current naruto can break out of itachi's non-mangekyou genjutsu. Yes that naruto was still weaker than itachi.
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I even said in that very post that naruto will not get out of itachi's tsukuyomi, but will be able to get out of itachi's basic genjutsu.
Getting out of a genjutsu has nothing to do with how tricky it is, save tsukuyomi. You simply have to have great chakra control and send a surge of chakra throughout your system, which sage naruto can do since he now has great chakra control.
Trickiness of a genjutsu does matter when fighting a battle of genjutsu. This is why kurenai lost.
For now on I want you to spend a lot of time thinking before you make a statement like this.
If its true that you have to be as good as itachi at genjutsu in order to break out of his regular genjutsu, then if itachi were to fight anyone in the narutoverse, save madara, he would fodderize them in an instant because he is better than them. You have to think about applying statements that you make to other circumstances in order to test them to see if they will be true or not.
Wow kurenai gets out of his genjutsu and that was just through pain. post timeskip Naruto partially gets out of itachi's genjutsu. It is stated that excellent chakra control allows you to break out of genjutsu. Naruto has magnificent chakra control. Itachi's basic genjutsu will be broken out of.
So you are pretty much saying that if itachi fights someone like nagato, who is not as good as him in genjutsu, then nagato will instantly get beaten by basic genjutsu?
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Naruto doesn't have to counter it, he just has to get out of it. Getting out of genjutsu requires high chakra control which enables the ninja to send a burst of chakra throughout one's system. Naruto after mastering sage mode has extremely high chakra control. He will get out of itachi's basic genjutsu, but not tsukuyomi.
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itachi has more than just basic genjutsu he has ones that can even immobilize sannin(oro) without any problem. naruto may have gotten better chakra control i would not use the word extreme cos naturally he is bad at chakra control due to the nine tails. he can't just get out of genjutsu like nothing especially even high lvl ones like the ones he used on bee or oro. if he is caught he is vulnerable to other attacks such as amaterasu and so and so forth. naruto's chances in Sm are quite low in comparison to KM.
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itachi has more than just basic genjutsu he has ones that can even immobilize sannin(oro) without any problem. naruto may have gotten better chakra control i would not use the word extreme cos naturally he is bad at chakra control due to the nine tails. he can't just get out of genjutsu like nothing especially even high lvl ones like the ones he used on bee or oro. if he is caught he is vulnerable to other attacks such as amaterasu and so and so forth. naruto's chances in Sm are quite low in comparison to KM.
lanakau888
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itachi has more than just basic genjutsu he has ones that can even immobilize sannin(oro) without any problem. naruto may have gotten better chakra control i would not use the word extreme cos naturally he is bad at chakra control due to the nine tails. he can't just get out of genjutsu like nothing especially even high lvl ones like the ones he used on bee or oro. if he is caught he is vulnerable to other attacks such as amaterasu and so and so forth. naruto's chances in Sm are quite low in comparison to KM.[/QUOTE]
I repeat once again. Naruto has above sannin level chakra control since his sage mode is way superior to jiraiya's sage mode. He will get out of the high-level genjutsus. He will not get out of tsukuyomi. Naruto's chakra control is extremely high, higher than most ninja in the narutoverse.