Sage Mode Naruto vs Ei

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Thatʻs you conceding the argument since youʻve ignored my explanation. If the manga says that a chidori can cut through anything, yet we have a scan of chidori not cutting through something, does that mean chidori still cuts through anything? Obviously not. Narutoʻs clones were shown to not be in sennin mode, therefore they were not using senjutsu. Also, if you want to take manga statements as absolute fact, then youʻd concede that naruto entered Sennin mode again when preta path grabbed him, and that it was senjutsu chakra that turned preta into stone, not raw natural energy.

So no matter what way you slice it, your assertion that Naruto converting all of his chakra into senjutsu = 6 FRS or that Naruto can convert his entire reserves into senjutsu if he doesnʻt have clones is false. Not only that, but even this scan proves that Naruto canʻt convert his entire reserves into sennin mode since he loses sennin mode Therefore unless you want to argue pein arc SM Naruto > war arc, then you are flat out wrong, your point is logically impossible.


Thatʻs you conceding this point since none of your scans contradict what Iʻve posted. Pa literally states preta absorbs senjutsu which turns him into stone. Naruto was in sennin mode therefore he had to have perfectly balanced natural energy with his own chakra and created senjutsu. That conclusively proves your argument false, Narutoʻs pain arc reserves absolutely do not = 6 FRS. Then thereʻs the fact that you once again ignored that if Naruto converts all his chakra to senjutsu, he dies once he comes out of it.


None of what youʻve posted has anything to do with the bolded. Not only that, but what youʻve stated is flat out false. chakra isnʻt ʻharmonized with neʻ itʻs MIXED or COMBINED with NE to create senjutsu. Pa not explicitly saying it increases narutoʻs total chakra has nothing to do with whether it does or not if Pa is not talking about that topic. So youʻve conceded this point as well since none of your arguments have anything to do with disproving or even addressing my own, so youʻre ignoring my arguments and therefore an ignored argument is a conceded one.


Why? Naruto didnʻt even pay attention to Ei or bee, he thought Bee had Ei contained when he grabbed his tail. Bee stepping in to block Eiʻs punch has nothing to with Naruto not reacting. Ei attacked naruto 2 more times after that happened and guess what? Naruto blocked both hits. So nope, a holding back naruto was moving and reacting on the same level as V1 Ei. When Naruto and Ei got serious NAruto outclassed Eiʻs speed.
Youʻve failed to even address SM Narutoʻs reaction superiority over KCM Naruto or the fact that you donʻt need to be faster than your opponent in raw movement speed in order to counter and blitz them proven by KN0 Naruto vs Sasuke at VoTe.



Naruto pulled the chakra out of kurama with his own chakra. With that chakra connection, Kurama is able to transmit his will into Naruto. That has nothing to do with Naruto using Kuramaʻs chakra while heʻs in the process of pulling it out and only connected to it via his own chakra. thatʻs whatʻs explicitly shown when Kurama absorbs Beeʻs chakra and when Bee tells Naruto that Kurama can also pull narutoʻs chakra out of himself.


Except they didnʻt since shinra tensei was over, yet they were still there. Had they disappeared from damage, they wouldnʻt have still been around after the tech was done dealing damage. Then thereʻs the fact that the back clones take more damage than the front ones since the front ones and naruto are being braced by the back while no one braces the back. So.... nope.

I don't see anything that refutes any of those scans. Assumptions get Naruto fans so far, apparently.

Who Shelke or Ianakui/lanakui, whatever his name is? Most of this debate was pointless though and a waste of time to all the debaters who took part although the debate was fun to read.

Pointless and a waste of time, and then posting it in the Versus section to make this claim? You can't be this stupid, Icelerate? Jesus ...
 
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I don't see anything that refutes any of those scans. Assumptions get Naruto fans so far, apparently.
well since claiming iʻm not refuting any of your scans and claiming that im only making assumptions is in no way shape or form a counterargument, then I accept your concession on this thread and on all points youʻve ignored.

Therefore SM Naruto stomps V1 Ei, beats V2 Ei, war arc SM Naruto is on a whole nother level than pain arc SM Naruto, Narutoʻs clones were only gathering natural energy, they hadnʻt converted it into senjutsu, Naruto never used any of kuramaʻs chakra when he fought with kurama, and he can obviously use more than 6 SM FRS if he converts his entire reserves into senjutsu chakra.
 

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well since claiming iʻm not refuting any of your scans and claiming that im only making assumptions is in no way shape or form a counterargument, then I accept your concession on this thread and on all points youʻve ignored.

Therefore SM Naruto stomps V1 Ei, beats V2 Ei, war arc SM Naruto is on a whole nother level than pain arc SM Naruto, Narutoʻs clones were only gathering natural energy, they hadnʻt converted it into senjutsu, Naruto never used any of kuramaʻs chakra when he fought with kurama, and he can obviously use more than 6 SM FRS if he converts his entire reserves into senjutsu chakra.

Rubbish, all of it. There is thing called hitting ones against a stone, cold wall. Since you never proved the percentage point - literally made it up - made pointless assumptions in regards to clones, ignored key scans, you had no point to begin with. It's only in your little head that Naruto pulls off the win.

Keep believing you won. I couldn't care less. V1 Ae defeats SM Naruto handily, that much is certain. This wouldn't be the first time this guy is over-rated and it wouldn't be the last. Good luck, creating fan-fiction for the next time. It'll come in handy.
 

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Rubbish, all of it. There is thing called hitting ones against a stone, cold wall. Since you never proved the percentage point - literally made it up - made pointless assumptions in regards to clones, ignored key scans, you had no point to begin with. It's only in your little head that Naruto pulls off the win.
Once again, since none of that is an argument, just baseless assertions youʻve conceded all of those points.

Keep believing you won. I couldn't care less. V1 Ae defeats SM Naruto handily, that much is certain. This wouldn't be the first time this guy is over-rated and it wouldn't be the last. Good luck, creating fan-fiction for the next time. It'll come in handy.
Thanks for conceding the entire argument. Youʻve conceded thins entire thread as youʻve ended up ignoring all of my points and resorted to defeated assertions such as V1 Ei beats SM Naruto despite a mere SM Naruto clone blitzing someone just as fast as V1 Ei.

Iʻd advise you to debate honestly and argue for TRUTH not agenda.
 

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Still fail to see how Naruto can touch V2 Ei.
 

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shelke, you fo real brah?

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if you think thatʻs crazy, you should read what heʻs saying about KCM/BM Narutoʻs speed in the discussionʻs thread. He claims that base bee is even faster than BM NAruto/KCM Naruto and is in the same speed tier as V2 Ei.
 

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I am not the only one who has made a case for him.

No one has made an argument of V1 only is beating Ay. No one will say this non sense.

if you think thatʻs crazy, you should read what heʻs saying about KCM/BM Narutoʻs speed in the discussionʻs thread. He claims that base bee is even faster than BM NAruto/KCM Naruto and is in the same speed tier as V2 Ei.

Im going to pretend your lying.
 

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Exactly how fast do people think SM Naruto is?
 

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No one has made an argument of V1 only is beating Ay. No one will say this non sense.

Im going to pretend your lying.

Ae matched V2 Lariat's speed and smashed him into the rocks. As I said in another thread, he's close, but his reaction feats make up for it. This loafer is just desperate for recognition. Just give him a rep. He might shut up.

Don't really care about anyone else. I have. Whether it's a nonsense matter or not is just your opinion. Sorry to burst your bubble.
 

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Ae matched V2 Lariat's speed and smashed him into the rocks. As I said in another thread, he's close, but his reaction feats make up for it. This loafer is just desperate for recognition. Just give him a rep. He might shut up.

No he didn't match him. It was a deciding match on whos lariat would win.

Don't really care about anyone else. I have. Whether it's a nonsense matter or not is just your opinion. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Doesn't mean we can use reason considering Naruto beat Raikage, with somewhat same moveset.
 

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By feats, SM Naruto actually has better Shunshin than Sasuke and most others.

Here Naruto is standing on Gamakichi
Here the Asura path is about to blitz Tsundere
Naruto is able to shunshin so fast that Pain couldn't react even though they all have a visual link.
 

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No he didn't match him. It was a deciding match on whos lariat would win.

Doesn't mean we can use reason considering Naruto beat Raikage, with somewhat same moveset.

Had he been far slower, he never would have been able to reach even. Let alone match the Lariat interception point. Which is why I said he close, but his reaction feats make up for the margin.

Read my posts. I am not going to start reposting stuff now.
 

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Even Deva path was able to stab Kakashi with a rod. What's so special about it? Top ten people?

Last time I checked,

and there's more people, if you need...

What did he tank anyway? A well-placed shot outright went straight to his gut:



pretty damn impressive if you ask me
he took a black rod from short range, fired from a "mini cannon", and took it like a boss lol
but it seems you completely ignored the fact that

Those CS2 feats are irrelevant, as Juugo's original body transformation ability and Cursed Seal of Heaven and earth are the strongest of the

Transformations. Hence Juugo's feats hold relevance, along with Kimimaru, and Sasuke's:



it doesn't change the fact that , and , and even went up against V2, and both did fine
just because Juugo can't tank it, doesn't mean no one else can, no matter how much you wanna make it look that way

Now let's see Kimomaru's:

He completely deflected Gaara's crushing sand coffin technique when he was still transitioning into the seal:




This is what he buried Kimimaru under, which he shrugged off in CS 2 form like it was nothing:




Even buried 200 miles under, he still survived:




This is when the guy was literally dying, as he bled from the mouth and almost died immediately:



Not to mention he broke through his absolute defense with bare hands, so the power output is also incredible:


lets try to not be too biased here
we both know very well the reason why Kimimaro survived all that
the CS helped, yes, but without his kekkei genkai he'd be toasted... his kekkei genkai contributed the most

But Naruto tanked a little rod once? Couldn't do it again though. It doesn't seem to have any real penetrative power, and simply primarily

disrupts chakra and works as a receiver. In the hands of Nagato anyway.

Way to put down beheader. Get real, man -

- It regenerates by simply consuming blood:


- Healing here again, but slicing a bit of fodder Kakashi.

- Its shape makes it ideal for rolling heads:



Slices only fodders is such a ridiculous argument, when it's called a beheader for a reason. Naruto tanking it is hardly a feat. A sword is a sword. Fodder or

not, it would cut Naruto down. Even Bee had to stop the sword, when that guy tanked Ae's V2 Lariet in base:




trying to downplay the black rods and hype the sword won't get you anywhere
the black rod got feats, the sword got hype... regenerating with blood is nice and all, but all this talk won't change the fact that only fodders been cut by it

By and by, if Ae can punch through Juugo's defenses, Naruto in SM is not even a problem, given how durable the seal is.
Also, what difference does it make if it was V1 or V2? Wait, I missed some points: did you actually compare KCM to SM? My goodness. Bee tanking Lariat is

a testament to his durability. Not sure what point you are even trying to make here.

why? does KCM now give better defense bonus than SM!?!?
Naruto twisted an ankle with a shunshin in KCM ffs , and in SM suffered no damage at all from a big fall, on a bed of rock spikes
if anything we could say the defense bonus from KCM (obviously not counting with BM) and SM are on par or close, since from feats presented so far, we can't really tell for sure each one gives a better defense bonus

so yeah, Naruto tanking a hit in KCM is a better way to compare it than using Juugo
you're trying to make it seem like, if Juugo can't tank, no one else can.... which is a bit silly


anyway, lets try to not turn this into a CS vs SM, or Naruto vs Juugo
and focus on the real fight here, that is SM Naruto vs Raikage
 
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