Sage Mode Naruto vs Ei

[KidGamer65]

FRS actually did a bit of damage, just not significant amount, and he had Raiton armour to tank the majority of it for him, while he did not have Raiton armour for Temaris Fūton.

It barely did anything, at all.

The majority of his durability comes from his body, not his Raiton Armor, as seen when the same armor used by Ay was pierced by Chidori, yet with the armor the Raikage can tank stuff like FRS.

Something like Chidori is meant for piercing, why do you think Ei can cut his own arm off with ease, or the 3rd Raikage being capable of cutting himself as well? Its much different from blunt force damage, which a rasengan is. Chidori has a way better chance of hurting the the 3rd Raikage then Rasengan, and same apply's for Ei.

That only means it focuses its power on one point instead of spreading it out like Rasengan does. Does that change the fact they are equal when it comes to output? No, but an attack far above Chidori is going to do more damage no matter what. "Blunt force vs Piercing" isn't a valid argument to say otherwise.

Your implying that they will do the same damage no matter what the circumstances, despite it being painfully clear in the manga that that's not at all the case.

Chidori will do more to Ay's body than Rasengan just because Chidori focuses the power that Rasengan has, but that doesn't mean you can say that same stuff for literally every single attack when comparing it and Chidori vs Ay. An attack far above it (Senpo Oodama Rasengan) is going to do much more to him.

You tell me to use common sense, but yet you yourself refuse to. It is CLEAR that Minato pushed him away because of his position in

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. I will make a thread about this if that's what it takes to drill this through that thick skull of yours.

Minato isn't shown doing anything, there is nothing to debate about here. He appeared above him and was about to stab him. When you can actually show me where Minato pushes or kicks Ay, even though the manga only shows him appearing above Ay, in a stance ready to pierce him, then we can talk. Its not even

That would require that Naruto makes the clone the second before Ei hits him and move out the way, which won't happen.

Not even. Ay doesn't need to be that close for him to feint cause when Ay Shunshin's, he doesn't stop till he reaches the target. Same goes for anyone using Shunshin.

Cut the crap. I never said that Ei blitzes because of the distance in V1, the distance merely gives Naruto less time to execute his Jutsu.

And if he's in V1, its all useless since Naruto will react and set up what he needs to kill Ay much easier than if v2 was pressuring him.

I have no reason to wank Ei, you on the other hand, have wanked characters like SM Naruto in many threads. Obviously it won't change here.

No one has any reason to wank characters, but you are wanking Ay. Him tanking FRS is the purest form of Ay wank I've ever seen.

Blocking won't work against Ei if the latter goes for a chop.

Because? Even though Jiraiya was able to block something stronger?

Naruto ain't feinting shit, nor is he killing him with a rasengan. Ma and Pa gets blitzed off the get go, not that Naruto will have time to summon them.

I'm still waiting for a legit reason why Naruto can't make a clone or summon, and your "he tanks Rasengan argument" is full of crap

Mans gotta chill a little, this is a forum, not a bar fight.

Anyways, I have noticed my mistake, that you did not notice yourself. Jiraiya actually went through the broken pipe on top of the hole that the Yak created, not a different tunnel.

Saying the same thing over and over and over again for you to keep on repeating the same incorrect argument that the manga visually debunks is irritating as hell.

Though nice catch. That only solidifies that the entire tunnel Jiraiya came out of was created by the Yak, so Liger Bomb or Ay's chops aren't killing SM Naruto.

The chip occurred in the very next page buddy. A small crack is actually better then a chip, so that would only make your argument look worse.

So? It was caused by the Liger Bomb, that's all that matters, and a small crack being better than a chip helps my argument, which is "Ay only smashed through Ribcage because he weakened it with Liger Bomb" More damage dealt to Susanoo in the beginning means the less damage it'll take later on to break it.

Wrong, the only thing Ōnoki did was make him fly, E did the chop himself. And the instance where you claimed he did not crack Madaras Susanoo, he did, in the very next page, when Ei jumps off it is shown

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Not only is that barely visible, thus barely damaging, he still didn't get through.

-Onoki made his fist heavier and granted him flight.

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-Onoki does it once again.

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So no, you're wrong. He needed Onoki's help to do meaningful damage to Susanoo.

Sigh.......Susanoo stopped the momentum. There would have been more momentum if he smashed Sasuke against the ground, because there would have been more distance that his arms could cover forms swinging Sasuke down, Susanoo shut down the momentum.

Ok then, how much more distance? Lol, its barely significant, so the jutsu wouldn't have caused much more damage. So arguing over it is pointless anyway.

Nope, he used Shunshin to get to Naruto, and from Naruto to Sai and from Sai to Hashirama. Three consecutive Shunshin.

Lol. He used one Shunshin. If it was 3, he would have stopped at Naruto, then gone to Sai and then gone to Hashirama, except you don't see him stop, he runs right through all of them.

He literally made 3 FRS and 2 SM clones. At most, we could estimate that he could make 5-6 SM clones, but then he would have to avoid using Jutsu altogether. If he wants to stay in the match, he will have to avoid making many clones.

Naruto made a

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. Chou Oodama FRS is much larger than 3 FRS combined, thus it takes much more chakra, and Naruto

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In the Pain Arc he made 4 clones and used FRS twice along with some Rasengan variants before running out of Sage Chakra. [

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The only reason he couldn't make more than two is because of the clones gathering at Myobokuzan and nothing more. His limit in the War Arc isn't 3 FRS anymore, as he used something far more chakra consuming and still had Sage Chakra left over, nor is it 2 clones since he made 4 in the Pain Arc, where his limit was shorter than it now.

You tell me to use common sense, but yet you yourself refuse to. It is CLEAR that Minato pushed him away because of his position in

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You can go ahead and make a thread about it, but the manga doesn't show Minato doing anything except appearing above him. The most that would happen is that he'd be slightly pushed because Minato appeared on top of him, but nothing that should prevent him from Shunshin'ing again like you claimed he should be able to do, as his feet were still on the ground.

Your in denial. Sasuke used Shunshin, he did not just jump next to Sakura otherwise he would have came from up top, instead of appearing next to her in the next panel, same goes for KCM Naruto. So yes, EMS Sasuke's speed > KCM Narutos.

Lol. According to you, Naruto used Shunshin as well, yet it looks like he jumped backwards. Sasuke only looks like he appeared because the manga isn't animated. To get to Sakura, he doesn't need to jump high enough for him to be shown coming from above, he only needs to jump backwards.

No one is in denial here, I have no reason to believe that they both used Shunshin. No reason to believe that Sasuke's Shunshin grew from around V1 Ay's level, if that, all the way to KCM Naruto's level of Shunshin because he got a new pair of eyes.

 

[shelke]

based on what did Naruto add Kuramaʻs chakra?

My goodness you are dense. If Naruto can only use 2 rasenshurikens per sennin mode, and he has 2 clones left (AKA 2 more sennin modes left) then naruto can use 4 more rasenshurikens.


Thatʻs you conceding the argument that SM increases NArutoʻs chakra reserves. Iʻll repeat again and hopefully youʻll pay attention and respond to the point. If Naruto has 100 chakra, and SM chakra is created by chakra + natural energy, then Narutoʻs SM chakra is going to be comprised of 100 chakra + 50 natural energy. Therefore Narutoʻs SM chakra will be 150% his normal chakra reserves.


Narutoʻs clones werenʻt gathering natural energy, only one naruto was, and no he entered it in far less time against the juubi and far less time when he was at full strength against iruka


manga panels are read from right to left, Raikage was running after the walls were used and dodai brought naruto on the other side.


None of that has anything to do with showing that V1 Ei is faster than Sandaime raikage. Dodai being featless is completely irrelevant, if his only feats are reacting to someone whoʻs explicitly compared to V1 Eiʻs speed, then Dodai is simply that fast. I donʻt see what ninja being able to fire techniques at the point where Sandaime breaks through the wall means anything. Sandaime obviously wouldnʻt be travelling at his top speed immediately after going through a wall that stopped him in his tracks.

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He also wasnʻt dodging FRS like it was nothing, the first time he dodged it, the shuriken graized his hair, had naruto expanded it, it would have hit the raikage.


Why in the world does it have to say that senjutsu increases chakra when we are given with an explicit explanation of how senjutsu works that makes it necessary true for it to increase a personʻs chakra. If you combine 1 cup of strawberry juice with 1 cup of grape juice, how much cups of juice do you end up with? 1 or 2? Obviously 2. Naruto combines his natural reserves with natural energy to make senjutsu, the additional natural energy means its necessary that the amount of senjutsu chakra naruto makes is 150% the amount of senjutsu chakra naruto naturally has. Not only that, pa explicitly stated that senjutsu techniques take in natural energy from the outside which means the user recovers faster from them.
Now where in the manga do you have evidence that SM DOESNʻT increase oneʻs chakra capacity?


What in the world implies that Naruto was incapable of doing any of the feats he did in his fight with kurama in real life? The burden of proof is on you to show naruto is incapable of doing ANYTHING he did in his fight with kurama in real life.


"moves at blinding speed" means absolutely nothing, I could claim any character ʻmoves at blinding speed. Wait, so SM Narutoʻs clones = shinobi alliance fodder? Is that based on a SM naruto clone blitzing the third raikage? Yeah no.

SM Naruto doesnʻt have to be in Eiʻs league of speed in order to tag him unless naruto is restricted to pure taijutsu. Eiʻs only means of offense is running at naruto and attacking him, naruto blocks said hit and counterattacks with clones.


Um you were completely and utterly wrong about ALL OF THAT. 150% is proven by SM chakra consisting of 66% narutoʻs normal chakra and 33% natural energy. Therefore for every 66 chakra naruto has, heʻll get 100 sage chakra. Youʻve proven you have the reading comprehension of a toddler by claiming naruto can use 6 FRS without the clones.


He made more than 25 SM Chou oodama rasengans and a FRS against Kurama without using up a single use of sennin mode.
He used a SM Chou oodama rasenshuriken without using up a sennin mode
He used 2 oodama rasengans and a rasenshuriken without losing sennin mode way back in the pain arc.

How many large rasengans do YOU think naruto can make without using kuramaʻs chakra?


Not surprisingly, you conveniently left out

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You claiming you dislike Ei is completely meaningless, it could be the case that you just dislike Naruto a hell of a lot more than Ei, or you could be simply lying which wouldnʻt be surprising considering what youʻve typed in our argument.

Without making clones, his chakra isn't divided into three equal portions. He simply won't be able to extend the SM. Which means, how many FRSs' can he make without trying to extended his SM limit? Six, to be precise. His SM ends at two, because he had already divided up his chakra, you fop. Given your own utter lack of understanding, I wouldn't be so quick to point any arrows at others.

Unless you are inherently blind, it doesn't say anywhere on the page that SM increases his chakra reserves. Don't be a fool, and accept it that you were wrong. NE is augmented with Chakra, and kneaded into Senjutsu. That Senjutsu cannot last without any of the bodily reserves emptying themselves out, proven by the fact that Naruto cannot make more than two FRSs' if he makes two clones to extend his limit.

I don't see any comparisons there. He simply said all of them are fast. He never said they are equally fast. Here is when the feats come in. I still don't see any scans proving your point. It took him quite a while to hit Raikage, given that his Chakra arms were aiding in maneuverability. SM Naruto doesn't have this luxury. Let's get real.

Nothing but your self-serving and self-created fan-fiction. Bring out a Manga scan to back this up. 150%? Seriously?

He didn't let KCM Naruto pass. He blitzed him like a ragdoll at V1. Naruto had no such troubles facing Raikage. He blitzed Juugo, when the guy is actually pretty fast. His reflexes are incredible, as I proved with a scan, Minato had to resort to FTG to even make a difference. What's left for me to post?

Already told you how he managed it even in his head. Irrelevant.

Where are you getting these numbers from? You sound like another fool from Naruto fanclub. This wasn't any less hilarious then, and it isn't any less now.

Bring out his real life scans. I already explained this point. Comprehension must be la passe for you. Kushina, taking a bit of Kurama's chakra ... ring any bells?

Not surprising that you conveniently picked out this irrelevant one, when I had already posted the one after it:

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. See, all gone. Nice try.

I don't have to justify anything to you.

 

[King Of Pop]

damn, heres getting heated up lol, i think ay wins tho.

 

[Haizaki]

damn, heres getting heated up lol, i think ay wins tho.

Lol they going at it

 

[lanakui8]

Without making clones, his chakra isn't divided into three equal portions. He simply won't be able to extend the SM. Which means, how many FRSs' can he make without trying to extended his SM limit? Six, to be precise. His SM ends at two, because he had already divided up his chakra, you fop. Given your own utter lack of understanding, I wouldn't be so quick to point any arrows at others.

Naruto canʻt use his entire reserves for a single sennin mode, he has a set limit about how long he can maintain SM. If Naruto literally had divided his total chakra into three portions and converted all of it into sennin mode chakra, how in the world did he use sennin mode against preta path? And how in the world did he use sennin mode later before he confronted Nagato? Obviously itʻs because Naruto canʻt use sennin mode for 15 minutes and 6 FRS, itʻs because he can only enter SM for a maximum of 5 minutes at a time. If Naruto could use sennin mode for 15 minutes, why in the world would he even use the clones? It only gimps him by leaving him vulnerable and in base for periods of time and unable to make more shadow clones. So nope, you still have a legitimate abysmal understanding of the subject of narutoʻs sennin mode.

Unless you are inherently blind, it doesn't say anywhere on the page that SM increases his chakra reserves. Don't be a fool, and accept it that you were wrong. NE is augmented with Chakra, and kneaded into Senjutsu. That Senjutsu cannot last without any of the bodily reserves emptying themselves out, proven by the fact that Naruto cannot make more than two FRSs' if he makes two clones to extend his limit.

This is you once again conceding that SM increases Narutoʻs chakra reserves. The manga doesnʻt have to explicitly state something in order for it to be true. By that logic, Sasuke canʻt use perfect susanoo since the manga hasnʻt explicitly stated it. Youʻve continuously ignored the fact that SM is created via natural energy and narutoʻs chakra and therefore since itʻs comprised of not only narutoʻs chakra the amount of SM chakra generated is greater than the amount of naruto chakra used to generate it.

I don't see any comparisons there. He simply said all of them are fast. He never said they are equally fast. Here is when the feats come in. I still don't see any scans proving your point. It took him quite a while to hit Raikage, given that his Chakra arms were aiding in maneuverability. SM Naruto doesn't have this luxury. Let's get real.

The comparison is as clear as day. Sandaime raikage uses the RnY, Naruto thinks about Ei in V1 and compared Sandaime raikage to Ei. Feats donʻt disprove this comparison unless you make massive presuppositions without any evidence for them. It doesnʻt matter if you think it took quite a while to hit the raikage, you asserted that sandaime casually dodged the FRS, I asserted that he barely dodged it since it grazed his hair and had naruto expanded it it would have hit the raikage. You donʻt disagree with this, therefore you concede this.

Nothing but your self-serving and self-created fan-fiction. Bring out a Manga scan to back this up. 150%? Seriously?

Concession once again accepted as you completely ignored my arguments while giving no positive argument yourself.

He didn't let KCM Naruto pass. He blitzed him like a ragdoll at V1. Naruto had no such troubles facing Raikage. He blitzed Juugo, when the guy is actually pretty fast. His reflexes are incredible, as I proved with a scan, Minato had to resort to FTG to even make a difference. What's left for me to post?

KCM Naruto blocked every single one of V1 Eiʻs hits, so Ei absolutely did not blitz naruto unless your definition of a blitz is getting your attack reacted to and blocked. The only time Ei blitzed KID Juugo was when Juugo thought Ei was dead, thatʻs not an impressive speed feat. His reflexes are not increadible, three tomoe sasuke blitzed Ei, Juugo blocked Eis hit at point blank, Minato used FTG against V2 Ei and would have blitzed Ei had it not been for Bee.

Whatʻs left for you to post is an actual comparison between V1 Ei and Sandaime raikage, showing how Sandaime raikage would be incapable of doing the same thing Ei did.

Already told you how he managed it even in his head. Irrelevant.

Concession accepted as youʻve given literally zero arguments for why naruto would be incapable of shoving a rasenshuriken into an opponent in the real world.

Where are you getting these numbers from? You sound like another fool from Naruto fanclub. This wasn't any less hilarious then, and it isn't any less now.

concession accepted as nothing youʻve stated is in anyway shape or form a counterargument. If only namecalling was a form of argumentation.

Bring out his real life scans. I already explained this point. Comprehension must be la passe for you. Kushina, taking a bit of Kurama's chakra ... ring any bells?

25 SM chou oodama rasengans vs Kurama
2 oodama rasengans vs pain
SM chou oodama frs against edo madara

look it up yourself.

Not surprising that you conveniently picked out this irrelevant one, when I had already posted the one after it:

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. See, all gone. Nice try.

Yet, the one you call irrelevant shows that narutoʻs clones survived the shinra tensei. Naruto simply desummoned them since they werenʻt needed anymore and were a waste of chakra to keep maintained. So nope, your argument that narutoʻs clones chakra has something to do with their durability has been completely debunked.

I don't have to justify anything to you.

Well technically you donʻt, however your negligence in doing so is a tacit concession on your part. Therefore youʻve pretty much conceded everything that you assert and fail to back up with an argument.

 

[Bronze]

No you didn't.

I said I could if needed, but I will then: [

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] The fact Sasuke with EMS alone can perceive Obito's movements, while Naruto needed to combine Kurama's Chakra and Sage mode together to equal that. And there is Sasuke keeping up with Madara's movements, while Naruto got blitzed.​

Mangekyou argument was irrelevant to me as it was already demonstrated that 3T can keep up with V1 Ay. This foundation shows the difference that Sharingan is the only thing that was explained that they can see something but doesn't mean their bodies can react. While SM differs

I don't care whether you it's relevant to you or not; the manga made it clear that more tomoe, a better sight and body coordination. Therefore, Mangekyou and beyond would grant better sight than normal 3T. The same applies for Sage mode, as Naruto couldn't dodge Madara's speed.​

Take your own advice. Was Naruto taken out by Madara? Nope, he continued to fight Madara, till Madara run away. Naruto's sensory has already shown that his reflexes and agility when he went up against 3rd Raikage and Juubito. Both actions were when he decided to take move around and both actions are superior to Madara's situation. While your argument has shown Naruto facing Madara by standing there an a dumbfound state, which still react to Madara. Reguardless how you want to interpret it, Blitzing isn't going to take out Naruto

You don't have to be taken out completely by blitz. Was Naruto blitzed? Yes. When was he blitzed? Page 8. Where did Naruto finally appear? Page 17. So yes, he was taken out for the time being. It doesn't need to be a literal take out. Neither 3rd Raikage or Juubito's example is helping in SM Naruto alone without outer sources. 3rd Raikage isn't fast compared to other to most top speed tiers. Naruto was combining SM AND BM, and BM alone increases his base strength to multiple levels, as well as grant him sensory. This is Naruto with SM alone, not with other combinations.​

Feats do say that and Naruto himself disagrees with you so theres nothing to argue about here. And now your contradicting your point to disprove SM ability. Your telling me that natural energy enables you to perceive better and that doesn't mean Naruto can perceive with it personally. I will no longer continue with this argument.

Where do feats say that? Quote where I said Naruto can't perceive in SM. All I said is that HIS BODY CANNOT FUNCTION EQUALLY WITH HIS SENSORY. Please read my post before replying and saying I said something when I didn't.​

There will be no case of tanking when Naruto can either dodge his liner strikes or simply block, which serves its purpose to dampened its original damage. Naruto has already stopped a Summoning Rhino from charging at him, which carries more weight then Ay. So I am pretty sure he has feats to defend Ay's mass, especially with SM perceptual ability on top of him reacting to his speed.

It would have been useful doing that against Madara's blitz, but couldn't as he was too slow. In other words, he's not going to have a chance of dodging Ay, who was fast enough to force Minato to use FTG. If you want to go by physics, then I suggest you let go out of the argument. If the mass is moving at a high speed, a greater force will require to stop it. What this means is that Ay is moving at high speed, so high that Naruto won't be able to stop it.​

 

[Benjamin King]

Ay's speed is too much for Naruto to deal with. Ay wins with low diff.

 

[Immortal Sasuke]

Ay should take this. The only way Naruto can't hurt the Raikage is if he lands a rasen-shuriken on him and that's not happening.

Ay Liger bomb stomps.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Ay should take this. The only way Naruto can't hurt the Raikage is if he lands a rasen-shuriken on him and that's not happening.

Ay Liger bomb stomps.

Lol! Naruto in SM can tank hits from Kurama, which are far stronger than Ay's Liger bomb! :leaf:

 

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Spoiler

Naruto canʻt use his entire reserves for a single sennin mode, he has a set limit about how long he can maintain SM. If Naruto literally had divided his total chakra into three portions and converted all of it into sennin mode chakra, how in the world did he use sennin mode against preta path? And how in the world did he use sennin mode later before he confronted Nagato? Obviously itʻs because Naruto canʻt use sennin mode for 15 minutes and 6 FRS, itʻs because he can only enter SM for a maximum of 5 minutes at a time. If Naruto could use sennin mode for 15 minutes, why in the world would he even use the clones? It only gimps him by leaving him vulnerable and in base for periods of time and unable to make more shadow clones. So nope, you still have a legitimate abysmal understanding of the subject of narutoʻs sennin mode.


This is you once again conceding that SM increases Narutoʻs chakra reserves. The manga doesnʻt have to explicitly state something in order for it to be true. By that logic, Sasuke canʻt use perfect susanoo since the manga hasnʻt explicitly stated it. Youʻve continuously ignored the fact that SM is created via natural energy and narutoʻs chakra and therefore since itʻs comprised of not only narutoʻs chakra the amount of SM chakra generated is greater than the amount of naruto chakra used to generate it.


The comparison is as clear as day. Sandaime raikage uses the RnY, Naruto thinks about Ei in V1 and compared Sandaime raikage to Ei. Feats donʻt disprove this comparison unless you make massive presuppositions without any evidence for them. It doesnʻt matter if you think it took quite a while to hit the raikage, you asserted that sandaime casually dodged the FRS, I asserted that he barely dodged it since it grazed his hair and had naruto expanded it it would have hit the raikage. You donʻt disagree with this, therefore you concede this.

Concession once again accepted as you completely ignored my arguments while giving no positive argument yourself.


KCM Naruto blocked every single one of V1 Eiʻs hits, so Ei absolutely did not blitz naruto unless your definition of a blitz is getting your attack reacted to and blocked. The only time Ei blitzed KID Juugo was when Juugo thought Ei was dead, thatʻs not an impressive speed feat. His reflexes are not increadible, three tomoe sasuke blitzed Ei, Juugo blocked Eis hit at point blank, Minato used FTG against V2 Ei and would have blitzed Ei had it not been for Bee.

Whatʻs left for you to post is an actual comparison between V1 Ei and Sandaime raikage, showing how Sandaime raikage would be incapable of doing the same thing Ei did.


Concession accepted as youʻve given literally zero arguments for why naruto would be incapable of shoving a rasenshuriken into an opponent in the real world.


concession accepted as nothing youʻve stated is in anyway shape or form a counterargument. If only namecalling was a form of argumentation.


25 SM chou oodama rasengans vs Kurama
2 oodama rasengans vs pain
SM chou oodama frs against edo madara

look it up yourself.


Yet, the one you call irrelevant shows that narutoʻs clones survived the shinra tensei. Naruto simply desummoned them since they werenʻt needed anymore and were a waste of chakra to keep maintained. So nope, your argument that narutoʻs clones chakra has something to do with their durability has been completely debunked.
Well technically you donʻt, however your negligence in doing so is a tacit concession on your part. Therefore youʻve pretty much conceded everything that you assert and fail to back up with an argument.

Dear Lord! You obviously have zero clue how SM works. Clearly now you are bickering just for the heck of it. SM cannot be utilized and a user cannot enter SM unless all these energies are in equilibrium:

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- Read this page over and over again, and let it sink in for good measure.

He left more clones at the summit to focus more chakra, because he cannot maintain it for long:

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- Naruto created the same balance with those Clones, so the chakra was evenly divided to focus more Senjutsu, as he had infused them at the tree Mountain with Sage Chakra:

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. Which is why he was able to enter the mode instantly, as the clones already had Senjutsu kneaded in advanced.

As for your Petra Path question, then look at the first scan very very closely. If NE crosses the balance mark the user literally becomes one with Nature; in other words, he turns into a frog:

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. Which is why those people failed the training - too much excess NE entering their body. Something they couldn't balance. This is exactly what happened to Petra Path. It couldn't balance or maintain equilibrium, and turned into a frog, as Naruto was constantly hoarding on NE and Petra was constantly absorbing it:

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In fact, it was the imbalance of NE that turned him into a frog, not SM, as Naruto was completely out of Senjutsu Chakra by then. Petra Path had absorbed all of it. This is the last time I am indulging this irrelevant point as I am still shocked you think that minutes have anything to do with how much chakra he can use. BM lasts for 8 minutes, but during this time, Naruto can put out all of Kurama's chakra (replenished for BM) if he feels like it. Without time extension, he should be able to focus more than half of it, and put out 4 FRSs' indefinitely and 6 on paper. I still find it hilarious that you don't know why Petra path turned into a frog, yet I have a poor understanding of SM.

Yet he couldn't get past him in KCM even? Clearly your delusion level must be quite high if you believe SM Naruto matches KCM's speed in any shape or form. He made no comparison. He simply said all of them are fast. This is no way translates into Ae in V1 has the same speed as Third. Self-serving assumption, that's all that it is.

You are still clinging to this garbage? Read those scans again. NE is literally useless, unless not balanced and augmented. Without augmentation, it is always present in the environment and unusable. NE is thus used by a Sage (Senjutsu user) to power up and enhance his Chakra strength to increase his physical and spiritual energy output. which why his Ninjutsu, resilience, strength is enhanced beyond the normal limit. I suggest you reread the SM arc and save me this headache.

Barely dodged it? Since when is FRS a fast technique anyway? Forget that Deva's feat, and let's look at this:

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All of these paths with borderline abysmal speed feats dodged it with ease. Ae obviously can never do that. Here is more:

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This guy stabbed and dodged at the same time, who couldn't even stalemate Naruto with his sub-par Taijutsu:

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- Let's stop kidding ourselves that Ae would do worse than Deva. Perhaps in your own fictitious acount of a poor Ae, but not in Naruto.

Wait what? The only thing that prevented Naruto from not getting his face smashed in was the Kurama cloak. Otherwise, When Ae actually blitzed him, had Bee not intervened quite a few times, Naruto would have bought the farm:

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- The excalmation marks show that he has no clue where Ae appeared from. I don't even see a blocking stance. He literally got smashed down. In fact, he only blocked one attack effectively, and at that time, Ae had no killing intent:

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- Bee intervened here, here

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and here

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. Ae was so fast that he literally smashed Naruto down by hurling Bee at him:

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. Do you have any idea how fast Bee is? He matched Ae's V2 Lariat and smashed him straight through the rocks:

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Without Bee's help, Naruto would have kicked the bucket thrice. The guy wasn't letting both of them best him, not until Deus Ex Machina stepped in, but SM Naruto pulls a fast one on him and that too with FRS? Joke of the century.

- With Kurama's chakra that he pulled at the start and Kushina purified.
- That's it?
- Okay?

Only two did after taking direct hits. They rest of them disappeared after the excretion. Baseless, given that all of them are lying on the ground, face-first. Nice try. He de-summoned jack. Get over it.

I suggest you hit google and try and understand what the terms you used mean. The irony in this whole thing is literally petty and pathetic. Until next time you pull more garbage straight out of your hindquarters. You haven't done anything else.

 

[RicardoA]

Naruto wins, mid-diff worst case.
He already kept up with Ay 2.0, aka 3rd Raikage. I don't see why this is a bigger challenge... not when he can harm the Raikage himself.

 

[Haizaki]

Man this is epicccccc

 

[King Of Pop]

Man this is epicccccc

lol i see you are enjoying the show, i am too.

 

[Voidstep]

Naruto wins

- SM gives him better sensing than KM, also him gives danger sensing
- higher strength than in KM
- Higher defense/durability than in KM

KM gives him other percs, like speed, etc...


3rd Raikage is slower than his son, but he's more durable, and much more dangerous/lethal with his finger attacks.

- Naruto tanked 4th attacks in KM!! It will be even easier for him to tank his damage in SM, due to his higher durability.
- He doesn't need to evade his attacks, and it's not of his interest to evade them. it would be far more practical to just tank/block them and hold him place to attack right after.

 

[Kagustuchi]

This fight really shouldn't have gotten this much discussion. It all comes down to how well Naruto can react to V2 Ay's Shunshin, Ay has nothing else dangerous to Naruto nor can he tank Naruto's attacks.​

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[Icelerate]

Man this is epicccccc

lol i see you are enjoying the show, i am too.

The three of us should grab popcorn and enjoy the three simultaneous debates.

 

[Xlad]

LMAO! Damn I wanted to see this fight myself. This is by the most interesting thread IMO in this section.

 

[Voidstep]

This fight really shouldn't have gotten this much discussion. It all comes down to how well Naruto can react to V2 Ay's Shunshin, Ay has nothing else dangerous to Naruto nor can he tank Naruto's attacks.​

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I agree with this

- the only thing Ay got over his father is speed, the 3rd is better in everything else... more lethal, much higher durability
- Nardo can react and tank all Ay's attacks, with his sensing and SM durability, which is higher than in KM
- and his strength is also higher in SM, he can pretty much hold him place for a moment after Ay's assault and counter him

 

[lelerskates]

with help from dodai, bee and some fodders

And Naruto had like 20 clones out all over the battle field meaning that clone was a lot weaker than his full power. If you're going to post something so stupid prepare yourself to get wrecked, fool.

 

[Dannie]

It took a KCM Naruto to dodge Ei's full charged V2 blitz and yet we are implying that SM Naruto alone can win? Silly rabbit tricks are for kids