[VS] Sage Jiraiya vs Hashirama

[LuckyMan]

Damn this thread turned from a decent debate to niccas insulting one another over their opinion. Its that serious?

 

[Haizaki]

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The retard who usually shits on your weak posts? Yeah right.

 

[Benjamin King]

Such delusions.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'll tell you this once, Hobi's Durability=/= Mokujin Durability. Therefore Hashi being on ground level doesn't mean Jack crap if Mokujin was destroyed in the blast considering he was standing on top of it

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How does Hobi =/= Mokujin in durability have to do with the fact that the importance of Hashirama's location determine his best bet? Unless you are saying Mokujin can't block the blast of TBB in the location Hobi was, in hypothetical replacement.

Wood dragon got destroyed by 1 Bijuudama upon hit

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..It's durability is therefore weaker than the others. Mokutun's variables differ in terms of Durability.

Ok.

Not to mention, we see Madara standing on top on Kurama

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Explosion taking place...Right there is the distance of both to the ball with Madara being on top of Kurama.

Spoiler

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Ok.

Here is the distance with Hashirama still in Hobi and Madara not moving forward but rather trying to strike right away

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This happens after the explosion

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You said it yourself, to where the explosion was. Now heres the next question? Why didn't Kurama, the strongest Buijuu, BD's not crater the floor they were standing on? Truly, a BD dropping on a mountain would not only vaporize the mountain, but also crater it? Why should I conclude that the blast wave was as focused from where it was in the epic center, then on the ground? Should I conclude that the other Buijuus are superior damage power?

If he knew according to your logic, he should have gone far far from the blast instead of being ground level.

Hobi was still intact while the others were destroyed. As simple as that.. It being on the ground doesn't mean a thing unless you want to tell me to my face it can fly.

I dont think I am suggesting that at all. For now I just giving you questions to see whos interpretation is more probable.

It seems that when the energy it was launch had more energy and stress from the center Mokjin direct the ball, and clashed. There was less energy on the ground, and Hobi soaked up the damaged for Hashirama.

 

[Demonic.]

That EJ Black all analyzing the manga with a magnifying glass, yet he makes up shit like Manda 2 being equipped with Kabuto's special poison lmao.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

That EJ Black all analyzing the manga with a magnifying glass, yet he makes up shit like Manda 2 being equipped with Kabuto's special poison lmao.

I see your desperate for attention, after looking like an idiot on post #58.

That argument was for people who understand inductive reasoning as its irrational to think he will equip poison to something not naturally his to something that is actually his personal possession. Sorry your not one of them nor someone I would waste my time arguing with.

 

[Benjamin King]

I see your desperate for attention, after looking like an idiot on post #58.

That argument was for people who understand inductive reasoning as its irrational to think he will equip poison to something not naturally his to something that is actually his personal possession. Sorry your not one of them nor someone I would waste my time arguing with.

IKR? He constantly replies to me, thinking I actually know him or giving him attention. I told you, ignore him and Evani. They will make you lose brain cells.

 

[Demonic.]

I see your desperate for attention, after looking like an idiot on post #58.

How did I look like an idiot? I discredited your source as unreliable, and you come off with some, "oh that's a technique scan, mine is talking about historical fact." It's from the same source, which means it's unreliable, Kishi changes his mind with time, doesn't help that Kakuzu scan came out before he even introduced Prime Hashirama. No wonder KidGamer ain't wasting his time with your hard headed sorry ass

That argument was for people who understand inductive reasoning as its irrational to think he will equip poison to something not naturally his to something that is actually his personal possession. Sorry your not one of them nor someone I would waste my time arguing with.

The argument is for fanboys...I'll equip a giant ass snake with poison to nullify Hashirama's power.... Gtfo

 

[Demonic.]

IKR? He constantly replies to me, thinking I actually know him or giving him attention. I told you, ignore him and Evani. They will make you lose brain cells.

Dimitri Rascalov Aka Madara Rules Aka ej Blacks bestie Lol. What an appropriate friendship

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Hashirama's techniques are still too massive for Jiraiya and his summons to ever contend with.

Just felt like someone should bring up the original purpose of the thread. . .

 

[Conspirator.]

Toad Sages, would immediately snap him out of it.

Unlikely, since Enma didn't immediately break Hiruzen out of it. BOD is far more powerful than your ordinary genjutsu, and in any case in the period which he's in the genjutsu, Hashirama finishes him off with FTW.

FTW has never been shown to one shot anyone. Even the kages were able to escape it. A large enough Fuuton would easily counter.

I don't care if it's never "one shot" anyone in the manga. Kakashi has never sniped someone's head off with Kamui in the manga, but that does not mean that he can't do such a thing. Furthermore, the Kages together>>> Jiraiaya. The only one of the 5 who woke up was Onoki, but that was after a massive struggle. In the small period where Jiraiya is asleep, Hashirama kills him.

Jiraiya is slow, Stop trolling.

Jiraiya has a 4.5 in speed in the databook and that is a base stat. Which Sage Mode active he easily sores past 5 (which is a perfect score) in the databook. Speed is obviously not a problem in this fight. Sasuke and Jiraiaya has the same base speed, which should tell you something.

The 4.5 is the person's base speed, not shunshin. In any case, Hashirama is much faster than Jiraiya, as in base mode, he kept up with an EMS madara with sharingan precog, the same Madara(without sharingan precog to augment his reflexes) who was so fast, that SM naruto couldn't evade his attack and had no choice but to block.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

How did I look like an idiot? I discredited your source as unreliable, and you come off with some, "oh that's a technique scan, mine is talking about historical fact." It's from the same source, which means it's unreliable, Kishi changes his mind with time, doesn't help that Kakuzu scan came out before he even introduced Prime Hashirama. No wonder KidGamer ain't wasting his time with your hard headed sorry ass

Maybe you should ask your daddy(KG) if your argument makes sense here, I mean you did it last time. As for me breaking, it down to you would only be wasting my time to someone so dense.

The argument is for fanboys...I'll equip a giant ass snake with poison to nullify Hashirama's power.... Gtfo

Still with the Stawman my I see. Go tip ride someone else.

 

[Demonic.]

Maybe you should ask your daddy(KG) if your argument makes sense here
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Well he would be the one to ask instead of your sorry ass Lol

 

[Unorthodox]

im reporting Ej awsome senju and dimitri always going off topic and arguing about nonsense

OT - Hashirama stomps

 

[Haizaki]

How does Hobi =/= Mokujin in durability have to do with the fact that the importance of Hashirama's location determine his best bet? Unless you are saying Mokujin can't block the blast of TBB in the location Hobi was, in hypothetical replacement.




Ok.



Ok.



You said it yourself, to where the explosion was. Now heres the next question? Why didn't Kurama, the strongest Buijuu, BD's not crater the floor they were standing on? Truly, a BD dropping on a mountain would not only vaporize the mountain, but also crater it? Why should I conclude that the blast wave was as focused from where it was in the epic center, then on the ground? Should I conclude that the other Buijuus are superior damage power?



I dont think I am suggesting that at all. For now I just giving you questions to see whos interpretation is more probable.

It seems that when the energy it was launch had more energy and stress from the center Mokjin direct the ball, and clashed. There was less energy on the ground, and Hobi soaked up the damaged for Hashirama.

If Mokujin got destroyed, how's Hobi not going to be on ground level? Oh wait, maybe it can fly? The problem here is you can never admit when something is clear. Hashirama being on ground level but still at that position as I already showed you

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as you can see in the top left scan.

The crater argument doesn't matter. Too irrelevant when we saw it exploded right close to both and we see Madara cover Kurama, Hashi being protected and Mokujin and Wood dragon got destroyed despite Hashi being right on top of them. Hashi was standing on top Mokujin, he must protected himself since his position didn't change but rather he's just below the same position he's in. Nothing indicates he jumped away. If not, he won't be this close to Madara who didn't move

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but rather just swung. It's as simple..Mokujin's durability=/=Hobi and we see right there that Mokujin was destroyed by TBB.

That means there was less energy where Madara was if you want to conclude like that. I don't know why he'd have PS protecting Kurama then. Once again, stop trying to downplay what happened.

 

[Oblivionx]

actually sound genjutsu can give jiraya the win... hashirama has no counter to it.... and since jiraya starts in SM, hashirama can't kill him off before jiraya uses it...

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If Mokujin got destroyed, how's Hobi not going to be on ground level?

Pretty sure we both agree Hobi was at ground level. Not sure how that question relates to anything.

Oh wait, maybe it can fly?

Trying to figure out how this relates to my point. Pretty sure Hashirama used Hobi when he reached ground level

The problem here is you can never admit when something is clear. Hashirama being on ground level but still at that position as I already showed you

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as you can see in the top left scan.

Still not understanding wheres the disagreement here at this part, or where I am not "admitting" whats happening in that particular scan.

The crater argument doesn't matter. Too irrelevant when we saw it exploded right close to both and we see Madara cover Kurama, Hashi being protected and Mokujin and Wood dragon got destroyed despite Hashi being right on top of them. Hashi was standing on top Mokujin, he must protected himself since his position didn't change but rather he's just below the same position he's in. Nothing indicates he jumped away. If not, he won't be this close to Madara who didn't move

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but rather just swung. It's as simple..Mokujin's durability=/=Hobi and we see right there that Mokujin was destroyed by TBB.

The crater argument is very important because the blast was point blank. Its relevant because we know a TBB energy can/should make that kind of damage on the ground.

@Bold: is where we are both speculating on what exactly did he do. You are saying he must of did this, while I am saying he must of did that (when Hobi was activated). But we both agree he went ground level.

@Underline: I didnt make that claim, I said he left the position he was in, on top of Mokujin, and went ground level instead.

That means there was less energy where Madara was if you want to conclude like that. I don't know why he'd have PS protecting Kurama then. Once again, stop trying to downplay what happened.

How does that indicate that there was less energy by Madara when it physically clashed on him, at a high altitude, while Hashirama was at a lower base. Every single Mokuton at a high altitude was cleared up, while they're some Mokuton stump on the lower area weren't completely cleared up. There is nothing of downplay here.

 

[Haizaki]

This is a complete waste of my time

 

[Brother Numpsay]

This is a complete waste of my time

Wasting your time that we agree with everything but 1 part? But it seems you are not opening to reason, so we should move on then.

 

[Benjamin King]

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EjBlack always maintains his logical reasoning and explanation towards fools. Respect.