[VS] Sage Jiraiya vs Hashirama

[Selan]

Hashirama sends a Mokuton Bunshin to clown Jiraiya. Come on, he is literally tiers and tiers and tiers above. Speed that nearly outruns Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama and keeps up with Madara that can pressure SM Naruto. While Jiraiya is slow as ****. Mokuton Bunshin spam. Mokuton Hotei, Hobi, Mokujin, Mokuryuu. I can't really fathom how one can even think to open a versus between Jiraiya and Hashirama.

 

[EKSITE]

Did people just say that the 3 boss toads would give Hashirama a problem? The 3 boss toad who got beat by Deva the same deva who ran for the hills from a water down version of kurama who Hashirama fought already in base mode full power. The only factor that jiariya has is Sound Genjutsu that it needs a long period to prepare, hashirama counters with wood clones as clones aren't effected by genjutsu. Hashirama has healing abilities I don't see jiariya winning this.

 

[KidGamer65]

Thanks for admitting that you took my words outta context as breaking it down would only lead you from looking like an idiot
As for the context of Tanking argument you can stay deluded with your wank. Its not gonna change the manga that hashirama left his post for a reason

Not a rat's ass is given. I've stopped taking you seriously buddy. Move along now.

All 6 paths were used on jiraiya, though they didnt have to go all out because at that point jiraiya had lost his arm so he was at a huge disadvantage. They caught him off guard when he believed he had won, which is why he lost his arm. Had he known their were 6, his guard wouldnt have been lowered.

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Ok, you have a point here.

I who you are talking about, and im saying that when EMS madara was in his prime (w/kyuubi) he was demolishing hashirama.

Then you are bringing it up for no reason at all as I never claimed that Madara w/Kurama was on par with Base Hashirama.

Your wrong. The battlefield is filled with Boulders and Trees, which supplys jiraiya with multiple places to use his Toad Flatness technique.

Ok then.

And Jiraiya isnt getting sensed while using his toad flatness technique as Nagato himself, who has more impressive sensing feats then Hashirama,

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. Nagato shows the ability to be able to sense peoples chakra and their location, yet ran right passed jiraiya. Hashirama as well would be clueless to his location.

Nagato hasn't been shown to sense chakra through his Six Paths of Pain, so that isn't a valid counter. Unless this jutsu hides his chakra, he's getting sensed, and from what I can see based on how it works, it doesn't.

1st Bold: Wood Golem and Wood Dragon are only going to be able to take down 1 toad at a time each (which would be 2 toads). No matter how fast they defeat the toad, they dont have any feats that would allow anyone to believe they could solo shot 4 boss toads at once. After they eliminate 2 toads, then they will focus on the other 2 which will give jiraiya more then enough time to conceal his location to get Ma and Pa to get synced. Whether that takes 2 mins or 5 mins.

Never said they'd one shot all 4 Toads. My explanation clearly shows that they don't need to, due to clones. Did you read?

2nd Bold: Your in denile if you think hashirama can solo 4 boss toads without paying them any attention. His techniques are guided by him so he would have to look at what he is targeting.

Clones buddy. Already mentioned that.

And I am begging you to post a scan of hashirama putting down ANY BIJUU with relative ease!!!!

3rd Bold: Hashirama would feel jiraiya's chakra signature disappear, that is all. He would have locked onto jiraiya's chakra signature and relaize that it dissapeared. The Third data book clearly states:

Naruto sensed the Bijuu's chakra moving inside of Obito when he became the Jin. Hashirama will sense Jiraiya's chakra entering the toad, which also has its own chakra to be sensed. Even if I'm wrong and its not possible, the toad is sensed after Jiraiya gets in and he dies.

Not like he'd break away from Hashirama since Mokuryu/Mokujin can handle the Boss Toads while a clone(s) handle Jiraiya.

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B]蝦蟇平　影操りの術: Gamagakure no Jutsu;

The frog is able to dive up to a hundred metres in fresh water, making it especially useful for infiltrating enemy camps that are surrounded by a river or a lake. The stomach of the frog also has a special barrier that obstructs chakra, protecting the user from detection-type ninjutsu.[/B]

It obstructs the user's chakra, not the toad's chakra.

Even with the creation of shadow clones, there is a 100 meter distance between him and the clones. A simple smoke bomb (after summonig) could conceal his location from the clones to allow him the ability to hide. Whether this be inside a frog or under a boulder.

Hashirama can sense his location, so concealing himself with a Smoke Bomb isn't going to do anything.

Hashirama cant sense Jiraiya inside the toad or the toad itself, as Pain (Nagato) was not able to find jiraiya or the path jiraiya snatched. Nor was Nagato able to locate the frog, though he is a sensor and

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Nothing says the Toad can't be sensed, nor did I say he'd sense Jiraiya. Nagato being a sensor means just about nothing when he himself isn't in range to sense, and I have zero evidence from you that shows he can sense through his Pain Bodies.

And no.

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He knew that Jiraiya had intruded. The Toad left after dropping Jiraiya off, so Pain not being able to find it is understandable. Nothing implies that the Toad itself can't be sensed. Nothing at all.

 

[MickNerks]

It wasn't Genjutsu and Pain attacked Jiraya only. Bringer of Darkness would catch all 3.

Also, Enma was right behind Hiruzen.

It was genjutsu as Jiraiya states "My chakra is going crazy, I cant control it". Genjutsu is stated to be "genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses."

And the fact that Ma and Pa's chakra is directly connected to Jiraiya's means that they should have been affected as well, yet they weren't.

Enma wasnt around when Hiruzen cast Death Repear:

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Hashirama sends a Mokuton Bunshin to clown Jiraiya. Come on, he is literally tiers and tiers and tiers above. Speed that nearly outruns Kyuubi's Bijuu Dama and keeps up with Madara that can pressure SM Naruto. While Jiraiya is slow as ****. Mokuton Bunshin spam. Mokuton Hotei, Hobi, Mokujin, Mokuryuu. I can't really fathom how one can even think to open a versus between Jiraiya and Hashirama.

Jiraiya is slow, Stop trolling.

Jiraiya has a 4.5 in speed in the databook and that is a base stat. Which Sage Mode active he easily sores past 5 (which is a perfect score) in the databook. Speed is obviously not a problem in this fight. Sasuke and Jiraiaya has the same base speed, which should tell you something.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Not a rat's ass is given. I've stopped taking you seriously buddy. Move along now.


Ok, you have a point here.




Then you are bringing it up for no reason at all as I never claimed that Madara w/Kurama was on par with Base Hashirama.





Ok then.



Nagato hasn't been shown to sense chakra through his Six Paths of Pain, so that isn't a valid counter. Unless this jutsu hides his chakra, he's getting sensed, and from what I can see based on how it works, it doesn't.




Never said they'd one shot all 4 Toads. My explanation clearly shows that they don't need to, due to clones. Did you read?


Clones buddy. Already mentioned that.

And I am begging you to post a scan of hashirama putting down ANY BIJUU with relative ease!!!!



Naruto sensed the Bijuu's chakra moving inside of Obito when he became the Jin. Hashirama will sense Jiraiya's chakra entering the toad, which also has its own chakra to be sensed. Even if I'm wrong and its not possible, the toad is sensed after Jiraiya gets in and he dies.

Not like he'd break away from Hashirama since Mokuryu/Mokujin can handle the Boss Toads while a clone(s) handle Jiraiya.

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It obstructs the user's chakra, not the toad's chakra.

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Hashirama can sense his location, so concealing himself with a Smoke Bomb isn't going to do anything.


Nothing says the Toad can't be sensed, nor did I say he'd sense Jiraiya. Nagato being a sensor means just about nothing when he himself isn't in range to sense, and I have zero evidence from you that shows he can sense through his Pain Bodies.

And no.

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He knew that Jiraiya had intruded. The Toad left after dropping Jiraiya off, so Pain not being able to find it is understandable. Nothing implies that the Toad itself can't be sensed. Nothing at all.

okay but just let you know I took that to heart

 

[KidGamer65]

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[Haizaki]

Hashirama tanked it = He tanked it as shown in the Manga. Stop trying to make ridiculous claims of something else happening.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hashirama tanked it = He tanked it as shown in the Manga. Stop trying to make ridiculous claims of something else happening.

Such a bold claim to make. But with the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure you mean "tank" here as: Mokuton "tanked" means Hashirama "tanked".


Regardless of how you mean it. If your claim is true, please share with me on why Hashirama would leave Mokujin, knowing that he could "tank" a TBB?

 

[Haizaki]

Such a bold claim to make. But with the benefit of the doubt, I'm sure you mean "tank" here as: Mokuton "tanked" means Hashirama "tanked".


Regardless of how you mean it. If your claim is true, please share with me on why Hashirama would leave Mokujin, knowing that he could "tank" a TBB?

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[Brother Numpsay]

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You didn't answer my question. I asked why did Hashirama moved to point

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to point

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(ground) , knowing that regardless (according to you) he can tank a TBB.

 

[Haizaki]

You didn't answer my question. I asked why did Hashirama moved to point

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to point

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(ground) , knowing that regardless (according to you) he can tank a TBB.

Don't such a silly question when you can see the smoke around Hobi...Hobi tanked the TBB. That's what I meant by Hashi tanking it.

 

[Benjamin King]

Hashirama's technique tanking an attack means Hashirama tanked it? *Unlimited laugh*.

OT: Hashirama sends him back to the academy.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Don't such a silly question when you can see the smoke around Hobi...Hobi tanked the TBB. That's what I meant by Hashi tanking it.

Its not a silly question since it shows you your inconsistency of interpretation. Hashirama left his position, that part is irrefutable. Your making the claim that its unnecessary, since Hobi can just tank the TBB. While I am making the claim it was necessary to be go ground level, leave his first position.

Why would he need to do something unnecessary, according to you, when he could just make Hobi right where he was from the blast, knowing Hobi is going to tank it anyway?

 

[Demonic.]

Hashirama's technique tanking an attack means Hashirama tanked it? *Unlimited laugh*.

OT: Hashirama sends him back to the academy.​

How many non Juubi/Rikudo ninja can tank a TBB without using some sort of technique ? It should have been obvious they meant with a technique. Only an idiot would get the wrong idea.

 

[Benjamin King]

How many non Juubi/Rikudo ninja can tank a TBB without using some sort of technique ? It should have been obvious they meant with a technique. Only an idiot would get the wrong idea.

It means what ever technique the person used to tank the Jutsu, and we name it and added it with tank. Not that the person himself/herself tanked the TBB, as you would be giving the impression their bodies are strong enough to do that. Yes, and that idiot is you and whoever agrees with you.​

 

[Ababeel]

Hey Guys! According to Ejblack over here. Manga panels=fanfic. BD went off and Hashirama survived. Take your idiotic bullshit elsewhere.

Sorry, but thinking Hashirama can tank a TBB IS the idiotic bullshit. He was going to kill himself with a freaking Kunai
and you think he can tank a TBB when he was clearly using the hand seal to use that wooden jutsu to protect himself
from the explosion? Lol

 

[Haizaki]

Its not a silly question since it shows you your inconsistency of interpretation. Hashirama left his position, that part is irrefutable. Your making the claim that its unnecessary, since Hobi can just tank the TBB. While I am making the claim it was necessary to be go ground level, leave his first position.

Why would he need to do something unnecessary, according to you, when he could just make Hobi right where he was from the blast, knowing Hobi is going to tank it anyway?

I'll tell you this once, Hobi's Durability=/= Mokujin Durability. Therefore Hashi being on ground level doesn't mean Jack crap if Mokujin was destroyed in the blast considering he was standing on top of it

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Wood dragon got destroyed by 1 Bijuudama upon hit

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..It's durability is therefore weaker than the others. Mokutun's variables differ in terms of Durability.

Not to mention, we see Madara standing on top on Kurama

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Explosion taking place...Right there is the distance of both to the ball with Madara being on top of Kurama.

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Here is the distance with Hashirama still in Hobi and Madara not moving forward but rather trying to strike right away

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This happens after the explosion

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If he knew according to your logic, he should have gone far far from the blast instead of being ground level.

Hobi was still intact while the others were destroyed. As simple as that.. It being on the ground doesn't mean a thing unless you want to tell me to my face it can fly.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sorry, but thinking Hashirama can tank a TBB IS the idiotic bullshit. He was going to kill himself with a freaking Kunai
and you think he can tank a TBB when he was clearly using the hand seal to use that wooden jutsu to protect himself
from the explosion? Lol

Lol, lets not be retarded now buddy. Any idiot in his right mind knows what I mean, and if you don't, then that's not my problem.

 

[Haizaki]

Lol, lets not be retarded now buddy. Any idiot in his right mind knows what I mean, and if you don't, then that's not my problem.

Him and Benjamin King are complete idiots. I don't even know why people respond to BK seeing he's terrible and weak at giving reasonable points.

 

[Benjamin King]

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