[Theory] Rinnegan's secret TRUTH (weak)

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Wow. Wow. Wow! I couldn't wait to respond to this thread. There are a few things I want to establish here first:

1. Nagato WAS of the Uzumaki Keke Genkai, as is Naruto (Thanks to his mother Kushina).

2. The Uzumaki clan IS A descendant of the Senju clan.

3. To use all 6 paths of the Rinnegan, the Ocular powers of the Sharingan are ALSO
needed. i.e. The user must be of the Senju and Uchiha Keke Gankai.

4. Nagato was never meant to possess all 6 paths, Only Madara (and maybe Sasuke) have this ability now.

That stated, I believe the Rinnegan and Sharingan are equal. So any real difference
in power, depends solely on the user--I read a bunch of responses that made no sense, I think people should read and understand the Manga before commenting on it. If you are unsure of something, simply reference--thus making Madara (and maybe Sasuke) the only living Keke Genkai users to have the ability to awaken all 6 paths. Though I do ponder if Nagato had to awaken the first 3 paths (Senju keke genkai), in order for Madara (Uchiha keke genkai) to implant the Rinnegan eye, or for it to work for him at all, (even though im sure he could implant it anyway as he "gave" Nagato his Rinnegan, meaning he is compatible with it due to his bloodline ties...) which would make sense. This we wont know until the story of, whether or not Madara can actually use all six paths, is revealed. All six paths of the Sage are needed in order to control the Jubi, and even though all six were channeled into Nagato's eyes, he himself was only capable of 3: The Animal, Asura, and Human paths (in my opinion). The Deva, Outer and Peta paths seem to require a strong user with manipulation and control abilities (Sharingan) which explains why Nagato used the six paths of pain, because he could not produce all six paths with just his chakra, also it should be worth noting the Six Paths of Pain were created within the Rinnegan by way of the Asura path as a way to harness the
power of all six paths. Plus using dead bodies for the six paths of pain(6PoP), to produce an individual path, makes it easier for the user to get the most out of this technique, Nagato did not possess the Sharingan therefore Chakra Rods were used for this purpose, whereas Madara does have the Sharingan, so he doesn't need to use the Asura Path to control the 6PoP. i.e. He does not have to be stationary to control this technique The Naraka path I believe is shared by both Sharingan and Rinnegan dojutsu users as it is mostly a technique used for interrogation. Hope this clears up some things. And I agree with the guy who started this thread, The Rinnegan is not the ultimate Keke Genkai, in the hands of someone like Nagato, however it can be (matter of opinion) when combined with the dojutsu of the Sharingan.
 
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I absolutely agree with you!!!

I had pointed that out a few months ago in a post of mine and got yelled at that they are two different doujutsu. BUT they BOTH CAME FROM ONE EYE! It doesn't make any sense that the saringan with its 3 tamoe is a watered down version of the rinnegan if the original rinnegan was only the rings like the one Nagato had. Where did the tamoe come from? Makes perfect sense that the Jubi's eye looked like that b/c it was mirroring the SO6P's eyes while under his control just as kyuubi's eyes mirrored Madara's sharingan while under control, just like you said!

So the ORIGINAL RINNEGAN HAD TO BE DIFFERENT AND MORE POWERFUL!!!
I agree that the powers of So6P Rinnegan and that of Nagato's are vastly different because the Sage had the power of Sharingan as well... Another thing you mentioned I agree with... How could Madara give Nagato his Rinnegan?? Well he didn't, not physically, that was the reason he gave Konan before he killed her, along with his own feelings of entitlement. I think it would have been interesting to see what would happen if Nagato had implanted Madara's Sharingan.
 

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Wow. Wow. Wow! I couldn't wait to respond to this thread. There are a few things I want to establish here first:

1. Nagato WAS of the Uzumaki Keke Genkai, as is Naruto (Thanks to his mother Kushina).

2. The Uzumaki clan IS A descendant of the Senju clan.

3. To use all 6 paths of the Rinnegan, the Ocular powers of the Sharingan are ALSO
needed. i.e. The user must be of the Senju and Uchiha Keke Gankai.

4. Nagato was never meant to possess all 6 paths, Only Madara (and maybe Sasuke) have this ability now.

That stated, I believe the Rinnegan and Sharingan are equal. So any real difference
in power, depends solely on the user--I read a bunch of responses that made no sense, I think people should read and understand the Manga before commenting on it. If you are unsure of something, simply reference--thus making Madara (and maybe Sasuke) the only living Keke Genkai users to have the ability to awaken all 6 paths. Though I do ponder if Nagato had to awaken the first 3 paths (Senju keke genkai), in order for Madara (Uchiha keke genkai) to implant the Rinnegan eye, or for it to work for him at all, (even though im sure he could implant it anyway as he "gave" Nagato his Rinnegan, meaning he is compatible with it due to his bloodline ties...) which would make sense. This we wont know until the story of, whether or not Madara can actually use all six paths, is revealed. All six paths of the Sage are needed in order to control the Jubi, and even though all six were channeled into Nagato's eyes, he himself was only capable of 3: The Animal, Asura, and Human paths (in my opinion). The Deva, Outer and Peta paths seem to require a strong user with manipulation and control abilities (Sharingan) which explains why Nagato used the six paths of pain, because he could not produce all six paths with just his chakra, also it should be worth noting the Six Paths of Pain were created within the Rinnegan by way of the Asura path as a way to harness the
power of all six paths. Plus using dead bodies for the six paths of pain(6PoP), to produce an individual path, makes it easier for the user to get the most out of this technique, Nagato did not possess the Sharingan therefore Chakra Rods were used for this purpose, whereas Madara does have the Sharingan, so he doesn't need to use the Asura Path to control the 6PoP. i.e. He does not have to be stationary to control this technique The Naraka path I believe is shared by both Sharingan and Rinnegan dojutsu users as it is mostly a technique used for interrogation. Hope this clears up some things. And I agree with the guy who started this thread, The Rinnegan is not the ultimate Keke Genkai, in the hands of someone like Nagato, however it can be (matter of opinion) when combined with the dojutsu of the Sharingan.
Yes i agree with everything you said. I guess i didn't do a good enough job explaining myself even though it makes perfect sense when I READ IT LOL!!!

I KNOW Nagato was an Uzumaki and therefore a decendant of Senju and one of the paths. Madara even said that over his dead body. I was only stating that Nagato DID NOT POSSESS MULTIPLE PATHS. Hopefully i am clearing up what i was trying to say. Nagato probably couldn't have even USED the rinnegan if he didn't possess ANY paths of the sage.
 

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Nagato is only 1 path therfore he can't utilize all of the abilities the Sage of 6 paths can use, since nagato has no Sharingan. So that makes the Sage of 6 paths Rinnegan the Strongest Doujutsu. Not Nesecarily Nagato's Rinnegan.
 
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First, thank you for the excellent theory OP.

To be complete, that is Madara's goal... it makes sense now.

This is one of the rare good posts I have seen in this forum; thank you again OP.

couple of things,

1) there are no 6 indivdual paths, this was mistranslation and we kniow what each of the 6 paths abilties are. So plz no more mention of this.

2) rinnegan owns sharingan, theres a big reason why the gods blessed so6p to take on the juubi. Pretty obvious dude.

3) the rinnegans no mater who has it has the same skills. All depends on the chakra resereves. ie compareing nagato to the so6p

4)I hope I have inlightened you so stop such misinformed threads in the future.
 
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That LITERALLY! gave me a headache :(

Congratulations though, on stating something in a different way that we already know.
Just look at their respective Chibaku Tensei's. One is the moon, one is not even the size of a village.
 

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Some of the things I agree with some are just plain wrong.

Jiraiya stated the Rinnegan is the greatest of the doujutsu and everyone takes it as gospel truth. HOWEVER, we have all been FORGETTING something VERY IMPORTANT!!! I JUST came to this realization a few moments ago and CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I DIDN'T CATCH THIS SOONER!!!

The ONLY person to possess the rinnegan besides Nagato was the SO6P. THAT IS WHY IT'S HERALDED AS THE GREATEST DOUJUTSU!!! LOOK AT EVERYTHING SO6P DID WITH IT!!! AAAAALL ITS ABILITIES!!!
I agree.

HERE'S WHAT WE ALL FORGET......ESPECIALLY IN THE ITACHI V. NAGATO AND SHARINGAN V. RINNEGAN THREADS.

JUST LIKE IZANAGI REQUIRES 2 OF THE 6 PATHS..... IN ORDER TO ACCESS ALL OF THE RINNEGAN'S POWER, YOU NEED ALL 6 PATHS! THAT'S WHY MADARA IS COLLECTING THEM!!!
Great theory.

So if you need all 6 paths BEFORE you can use all of it's abilities (like using Izanagi well enough to NOT LOSE YOUR EYESIGHT and being able to fuse the biju and CONTROL the Jubi) that means THE RINNEGAN WE'VE BEEN SEEING IN ACTION IS ACTUALLY A WEAKENED VERSION OF IT SINCE THE WIELDER WASN'T EVEN PART OF ONE OF THE TWO MAIN BLOODLINES OF THE RIKUDOU SENIN!!! *EDIT* I know Uzumaki's are RELATED to Senju's but i'm saying Nagato is not DIRECTLY part of either two main bloodlines. He's only a relative of Senju which isn't quite the same or Madara would have taken DNA from an Uzumaki instead of nearly dying to get Senju Hashirama's DNA.
Your theory states that Uchiha and Senju are two "main" bloodlines of So6P. You're saying that the Senju or Uchiha can use the Rinnegan better than Nagato did as an Uzumaki? I will disagree. Nowhere does it state which dojutsu or clan were the direct descendents. His sons, one given the body or spiritual energy, other was the eye or power were just that. So6P had the Rinnegan but he was also known to be skilled in all types of jutsus; he created them. The main reason why I disagree with you is because Uzumaki were known for their chakra and stamina where as Senju were known to be skilled in all types of jutsus. Can't they both be equal wielders or "main bloodlines" of the So6P? I tend to think Uzumaki are better off with the Rinnegan due to their chakra and stamina. IMO, there are more "closely" related bloodlines other than Senju and Uchiha and Uzumaki is one of them.

That COULD also explain little things that bothered me about rinnegan like "if its the greatest, how come Naruto's smoke bombs could fool its vision when byakugan AND sharingan can see through things like that??!?" WITH MADARA HAVING 3 OF THE 6 PATHS HE MAY ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO NEW ABILITIES OF THE RINNEGAN OR HAVE IMPROVED OCCULAR ACCUITY! OR THE TECHS WE'VE ALREADY SEEN MAY HAVE THEIR POWER AMPLIFIED!!!
That may be true but we won't know until we see Tobi. Of course they'll be stronger though, he has a Sharingan implanted in them all and they're Edo Tensei bodies.

The bottom line point i want to make though is this...... WHEN JIRAIYA SAID RINNEGAN WAS THE GREATEST OF THE DOUJUTSU...... HE WAS SPEAKING OF THE RINNEGAN THAT THE SO6P HAD...... NAGATO DIDN'T POSSESS THE 6 PATHS OF THE SAGE SO HIS RINNEGAN WAS NOT NECESSARILY THE GREATEST TOO...... JUST LIKE GIVING A SHARINGAN TO SOMEONE WITH LOW CHAKRA WHO CAN NEVER AWAKEN MANGEKYO!!!! THE RINNEGAN WAS THE GREATEST TO EVER EXIST IN THE HANDS OF THE SO6P!
Kakashi is not even a Uchiha and he managed to unlock MS somehow and keep in mind that everyone close to him had died. Anything is possible. Nagato is obviously not as strong as the So6P. I doubt anyone really is, but who's to say that he wasn't the strongest Rinnegan user besides the So6P?
 

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I agree.

When people discuss Rinnegan in the manga they are usually referring to the SO6P. I don't mean to say Nagato's Rinnegan isn't strong but it's no where near the SO6P.

IMO (go ahead and flame Nagato fans) A skillful MS user can put up a decent fight VS Nagato and an EMS can get a for sure win if battled right (reason why Tobi wasn't worried. if Nagato tried anything Tobi could have taken him out but Nagato was following Tobi's orders.)

In all, SO6P Rinnegan is the most deadliest, Nagato has the eye but not mastered. If, I'm not mistaken was it SO6P Rinnegan with the Sharingan tomoes in his Rinnegan before he tamed the Jubi or after?
 

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I agree.

When people discuss Rinnegan in the manga they are usually referring to the SO6P. I don't mean to say Nagato's Rinnegan isn't strong but it's no where near the SO6P.

IMO (go ahead and flame Nagato fans) A skillful MS user can put up a decent fight VS Nagato and an EMS can get a for sure win if battled right (reason why Tobi wasn't worried. if Nagato tried anything Tobi could have taken him out but Nagato was following Tobi's orders.)

In all, SO6P Rinnegan is the most deadliest, Nagato has the eye but not mastered. If, I'm not mistaken was it SO6P Rinnegan with the Sharingan tomoes in his Rinnegan before he tamed the Jubi or after?
so6p wasnt seen with the rinnegan tomoe, only before he fought the jubi with a normal rinnegan. he probably got the tomoe after he had the jubi sealed inside him. and ofc so6p is much stronger than nagato
 

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I agree.

When people discuss Rinnegan in the manga they are usually referring to the SO6P. I don't mean to say Nagato's Rinnegan isn't strong but it's no where near the SO6P.

IMO (go ahead and flame Nagato fans) A skillful MS user can put up a decent fight VS Nagato and an EMS can get a for sure win if battled right (reason why Tobi wasn't worried. if Nagato tried anything Tobi could have taken him out but Nagato was following Tobi's orders.)

In all, SO6P Rinnegan is the most deadliest, Nagato has the eye but not mastered. If, I'm not mistaken was it SO6P Rinnegan with the Sharingan tomoes in his Rinnegan before he tamed the Jubi or after?
there no tomoe rinnegan so far
nagato strength in techs only paled in comparison to the sage= no where does it state that nagato can't use all rinnegan techs it only says how much power.
 

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I just want to say that Madara isnt collecting any paths. Power of the six paths is Senjuu power + Uchiha power, nothing else. Power of the six paths - Rinnegan.
 

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Nagato=pure rinnegan user whos mastered the rinnegan for over 30+ years his chibaku tensei would be bigger then a village if he was doing it himself through deva he trapped the 9 tails

Rinnegan>EMS shariingan>MS sharringan

Theres a reason why the sage of 6 paths had the rinnegan

Nagato not crippled would beat anyone featured fully in the manga
 

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Nagato=pure rinnegan user whos mastered the rinnegan for over 30+ years his chibaku tensei would be bigger then a village if he was doing it himself through deva he trapped the 9 tails

Rinnegan>EMS shariingan>MS sharringan

Theres a reason why the sage of 6 paths had the rinnegan

Nagato not crippled would beat anyone featured fully in the manga
so madara a man with three paths is weaker than nagato who has one path, not to mention he has ems and rinnegan with s/t to avoid almost any attack but its fine you can have ur opinion on this.
 

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Gosh people comparing juubi-less nagato to the juubi jinchuriki so6p. Give nagato the juubi and i bet he could make a chibaku tensei the size of the moon :)
 

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so madara a man with three paths is weaker than nagato who has one path, not to mention he has ems and rinnegan with s/t to avoid almost any attack but its fine you can have ur opinion on this.
1. Madara dont has any three paths. Hes 2nd Sage of the six paths, Nagato being third. Thats official translation.
2. Its very, very doubtfull if Madara still has his EMS. Still, his s/t justsu combined with Rinnegan makes him second only to original Rikudou.
 

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you are just mistaken and you misunderstood something...when jiraiya told us that rinnegan is the greatest doujutsu, then, i think it is indeed the greatest doujutsu. but let us not forget the all jutsus, whatever they are, genjutsu,doujutsu,fuinjutsu(not sure of the spelling),taijutsu,ninjutsu,,,,all of these are just weapons and it is always and should always be dependent on the wielder of the weapon for it to be strong, as stated, a mere pebble can dodge a shuriken when it is thrown by a master....
 

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Gosh people comparing juubi-less nagato to the juubi jinchuriki so6p. Give nagato the juubi and i bet he could make a chibaku tensei the size of the moon :)
Except the SO6P created the moon to TRAP THE JUBI so he couldn't have been the jinchuriki when he did it! He probably became the jinchuriki AFTER trapping it with the chibaku tensei. He was able to defeat the Jubi by himself and then sealed it in himself. The jubi WAS NOT THE SOURCE OF HIS STRENGTH.....
 

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Your theory states that Uchiha and Senju are two "main" bloodlines of So6P. You're saying that the Senju or Uchiha can use the Rinnegan better than Nagato did as an Uzumaki? I will disagree. Nowhere does it state which dojutsu or clan were the direct descendents. His sons, one given the body or spiritual energy, other was the eye or power were just that. So6P had the Rinnegan but he was also known to be skilled in all types of jutsus; he created them. The main reason why I disagree with you is because Uzumaki were known for their chakra and stamina where as Senju were known to be skilled in all types of jutsus. Can't they both be equal wielders or "main bloodlines" of the So6P? I tend to think Uzumaki are better off with the Rinnegan due to their chakra and stamina. IMO, there are more "closely" related bloodlines other than Senju and Uchiha and Uzumaki is one of them.
Well the manga clearly states that SO6P had 2 sons the elder son's ofspring became known as Uchiha and the younger's as Senju so no there aren't any other bloodlines closer than those two. ANY OTHER BLOODLINES WOULD BE COUSINS AT BEST>!
 
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