Rinnegan

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Sasuke's Rinnegan is superior for simple reasons

Madara's Rinnegan = Indra + Ashura

Sasuke's Rinnegan = (Indra + Ashura) + Indra


Without the Juubi's power, Madara's dojutsu is inferior to Sasuke's. With the Juubi's power, Sasuke's dojutsu is superior to JJ Madara's.

what????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

look that math doesn't add up due to the simple fact that hagoromo's chakra = hagoromo's chakra

you'd have a better argument if you stated that sasuke recieved MORE if hag's chakra than madara...which is why your failed attempts at guess working things kishi does not explain makes you look retarded (and I am telling you this in the nicest way possible)

 

[SenseiSama]

no he did NOT...attached to the gedo statue as an old ****ing man on the verge of death?...**** outta here

The Gedo was feeding him life force, he was not on the verge of death as long as he remained connected to it. Do you read manga ? He lived long enough until Obito's generation, he had at least half a decade to learn Rinnegan feats unlike Sasuke who used his feats within a few hours.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

if that is the case then explain madara pulling down giant meteors from deep in space right after his debut

Not sure what you are trying to prove here.

If anything this only hinders your point of Madara "training his rinnegan" to match Sasuke's rinnegan.

Madara pulling down the Meteors is just proof and confirmation that he knew the full extent of the Rinnegans power. Pulling down the meteors was a feat that not even Nagato had come close to doing (albeit, he didn't have a Susanoo) and he had the Rinnegan for many years. So if Madara could do it, that only means he knew everything about the Rinnegan. So your comment on him being old so he couldn't "train his rinnegan" is moot.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

The Gedo was feeding him life force, he was not on the verge of death as long as he remained connected to it. Do you read manga ? He lived long enough until Obito's generation, he had at least half a decade to learn Rinnegan feats unlike Sasuke who used his feats within a few hours.

can you not read?...how the hell can madara train in ninjutsu when he is in 1 place and cannot move an inch away?

 

[SenseiSama]

what????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

look that math doesn't add up due to the simple fact that hagoromo's chakra = hagoromo's chakra

you'd have a better argument if you stated that sasuke recieved MORE if hag's chakra than madara...which is why your failed attempts at guess working things kishi does not explain makes you look retarded (and I am telling you this in the nicest way possible)

You really lack simple reading and comprehension skill.


Madara had Ashura's chakra added to Indra's, Sasuke had Hagoromo's chakra added to Indra's. You know what that means ?

Madara = Indra + Ashura = Rinnegan

Sasuke = Indra + Hagoromo = Tomoe Rinnegan

 

[SenseiSama]

can you not read?...how the hell can madara train in ninjutsu when he is in 1 place and cannot move an inch away?

How the hell could he teach Obito Rikudou jutsu if he didn't learn them ? He can move within the Gedo's genjutsu and most likely practiced there. He already displayed the ability to make himself younger in it.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Not sure what you are trying to prove here.

If anything this only hinders your point of Madara "training his rinnegan" to match Sasuke's rinnegan.

Madara pulling down the Meteors is just proof and confirmation that he knew the full extent of the Rinnegans power. Pulling down the meteors was a feat that not even Nagato had come close to doing (albeit, he didn't have a Susanoo) and he had the Rinnegan for many years. So if Madara could do it, that only means he knew everything about the Rinnegan. So your comment on him being old so he couldn't "train his rinnegan" is moot.

good attempt at logic but that doesn't work at all...madara awakened the rinnegan on the verge of death as an old man.

this is not your fault but kishimoto mixed up the events of the timeline thus creating confusion...there are multiple possibilities:

1. madara awakened the rinnegan as an old man...taught obito the six paths (negating kishimoto's own words during chapter 698) and all rinnegan abilities are present from awakening since madara had no time to train his eyes during his stationary existance

2. madara awakened the rinnegan as an old man...taught obito the six paths (negating kishimoto's own logic for adult sasuke being able to open portals after 10+ years AND MOMOSHIKI COMING IN AND BEING ABLE TO DO THE SAME SHIT WITH REGULAR RINNEGAN therefore negating the possibilities that opening portals is unique to sasuke's rinnegan)

there are multiple options to choose from

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

You really lack simple reading and comprehension skill.


Madara had Ashura's chakra added to Indra's, Sasuke had Hagoromo's chakra added to Indra's. You know what that means ?

Madara = Indra + Ashura = Rinnegan

Sasuke = Indra + Hagoromo = Tomoe Rinnegan

which is another way of typing that hagoromo's chakra = hagoromo's chakra...and you say I lack comprehension?

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

How the hell could he teach Obito Rikudou jutsu if he didn't learn them ? He can move within the Gedo's genjutsu and most likely practiced there. He already displayed the ability to make himself younger in it.

fanfiction until stated in the manga...you see?...this is why attempting to explain things kishimoto did not doesn't work

nobody in the series has ever trained in a genjutsu world at all...and training in a genjutsu world cannot affect the body's natural progression and developement therefore negating kishimoto's own statements on training the body

it's a GENJUTSU...how the hell is the eye supposed to retain the knowledge of the six paths?...because remember all rinnegan can use the six paths correct?...or does kishimoto refute his own logic ONCE AGAIN?????????

 

[SenseiSama]

fanfiction until stated in the manga...you see?...this is why attempting to explain things kishimoto did not doesn't work

nobody in the series has ever trained in a genjutsu world at all...and training in a genjutsu world cannot affect the body's natural progression and developement therefore negating kishimoto's own statements on training the body

it's a GENJUTSU...how the hell is the eye supposed to retain the knowledge of the six paths?...because remember all rinnegan can use the six paths correct?...or does kishimoto refute his own logic ONCE AGAIN?????????

You don't need body progression, in a genjutsu world you can reproduce the same feats in the real world. It's the same logic applied to Naruto's inner conscious where he was able to fight Kurama and use Sage Mode just as he would in real life.

If Madara never learned how to use the Rinnegan he wouldn't even know which jutsu to use to counter Naruto's RS or absorb the bijuu or create giant meteorites. See where I'm going ?

He clearly had knowledge on how his dojutsu works which means he had time to learn about it in order to use it to its full extent. In addition, Si Path Senjutsu grants understanding of all things so as a JuubiJin he would have even more knwledge on hwo to use the Rinnegan's full power. The excuse about him needing time is BS.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

You don't need body progression, in a genjutsu world you can reproduce the same feats in the real world. It's the same logic applied to Naruto's inner conscious where he was able to fight Kurama and use Sage Mode just as he would in real life.

If Madara never learned how to use the Rinnegan he wouldn't even know which jutsu to use to counter Naruto's RS or absorb the bijuu or create giant meteorites. See where I'm going ? He clearly had knowledge on how his dojutsu works which means he had time to learn about it in order to use it to its full extent.

here is another example of why making shit up doesn't work when you are conversing with someone as smart as me...because naruto cannot maintain more than 2 shadow clones while in sage mode during shippuden in real life (outside his conscience)...so that logic does NOT work...AT ALL...madara had NO TIME to physically train his eyes during that time period...how he taught obito the six paths is a ****ing mystery

 

[Styles]

Oh wow. Must be trolling fanfic day.

 

[NarutoX28]

here is another example of why making shit up doesn't work when you are conversing with someone as smart as me...because naruto cannot maintain more than 2 shadow clones while in sage mode during shippuden in real life (outside his conscience)...so that logic does NOT work...AT ALL...madara had NO TIME to physically train his eyes during that time period...how he taught obito the six paths is a ****ing mystery

Actually, that's not true. Naruto could only maintain 2 Kage Bushin because he had clones back at Mount Myoboku that were gathering Natural Energy. SM Naruto didn't have that against Kurama which is why he could use many Kage Bushin. That, and the fact that he was shown improving his Sage Mode during the Kage Summit.

 

[Conspirator.]

Sasuke's rinnegan isn't incomplete since it reverts to a regular rinnegan, after he uses his portal.

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You could even say sasuke's rinnegan is a superior version since it can use ameno,portals, coreless CT,etc.

Exactly this.

OT: This thread is wrong on so many levels. :|

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Actually, that's not true. Naruto could only maintain 2 Kage Bushin because he had clones back at Mount Myoboku that were gathering Natural Energy. SM Naruto didn't have that against Kurama which is why he could use many Kage Bushin. That, and the fact that he was shown improving his Sage Mode during the Kage Summit.

THAT is pure speculation...I can easily type that naruto did not even attempt to use more than 1 shadow clone during sage mode after the 5 kage summit and that was against the 3rd raikage...

also @ bold how did naruto show that he improved using sage mode during the 5 kage summit?...did he do anything in particular that stood out during the event?

 

[NarutoX28]

THAT is pure speculation...I can easily type that naruto did not even attempt to use more than 1 shadow clone during sage mode after the 5 kage summit and that was against the 3rd raikage...

No, SM Naruto was shown trying to decrease the time it takes to enter Sage Mode which shows that he did indeed train during that time period. Even then, point stands that Pain Arc SM Naruto could create more than 2 Kage Bushin. The only reason he couldn't was due to having a few clones gathering Natural Energy which is not something SM Naruto had against Kurama, therefore, he can create >2 clones.

also @ bold how did naruto show that he improved using sage mode during the 5 kage summit?...did he do anything in particular that stood out during the event?

It was only shown that he was training to enter Sage Mode quicker.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

No, SM Naruto was shown trying to decrease the time it takes to enter Sage Mode which shows that he did indeed train during that time period. Even then, point stands that Pain Arc SM Naruto could create more than 2 Kage Bushin. The only reason he couldn't was due to having a few clones gathering Natural Energy which is not something SM Naruto had against Kurama, therefore, he can create >2 clones.

when the hell was that ever shown?...also using a fight taking place in naruto's subconscious is not proof at all

 

[SenseiSama]

here is another example of why making shit up doesn't work when you are conversing with someone as smart as me...because naruto cannot maintain more than 2 shadow clones while in sage mode during shippuden in real life (outside his conscience)...so that logic does NOT work...AT ALL...madara had NO TIME to physically train his eyes during that time period...how he taught obito the six paths is a ****ing mystery

This is why no one takes you seriously, the two shadow clone rules was only when he was still new at using Sage Mode, by the time he unlocked KCM he was already a master at it, you blatantly ignored the fact he spammed kage bunshin with SM during the War Arc.

There's plenty of examples backing up my claim, like for example Deidara thinking he killed Sasuke because the experience of fighting was no different to fighting in real life.

 

[HENI]

You really lack simple reading and comprehension skill.


Madara had Ashura's chakra added to Indra's, Sasuke had Hagoromo's chakra added to Indra's. You know what that means ?

Madara = Indra + Ashura = Rinnegan

Sasuke = Indra + Hagoromo = Tomoe Rinnegan

Sasuke had Half of Hagoromo's chakra

Madara had his full chakra

 

[SenseiSama]

Sasuke had Half of Hagoromo's chakra

Madara had his full chakra

No, Hagoromo's chakra = Indra + Ashura, there's no such thing as half. Without the Ashura half he can't unlock the Rinnegan which further proves this.

After receiving the Sge's chakra Sasuke had more Yin than Madara which is why he unlocked a dojutsu closer to Kaguya's RinneSharingan.