Sasuke had Senjutsu in the form of curse mark. And they teamed up to fight an incomplete juubi jin.
EMS Madara doesnt compare to indra. However in Hashis case senjutsu affects tsb but RSM users are as physically(ninjutsu wise also) strong as juubi jins so no cake walk for Hashi and most certainly no win.
Think of Indras Arrow. I rest my case. That is the power of Asura & Indra wayy above hashi/maddy
Jin Jubi can nullify Ninjutsu via Onmyouton, which can be applied with TSB. It's not like Ashura had that technique, in the same way Naruto couldn't nullify Ninjutsu.
Indra Arrow is a technique manifested via 9 Biju + PS; it's not something Indra can do, which you assumed because of the name. He's not listed as user in the databook.
You can't say that Majestic Attire: Susano'o is Perfect Susano'o just because of appearance though. There are multiple skeletal versions of Susano'o that aren't the same yet share similarities. As much as it may not make sense to you, Kishimoto made a direct comparison to Naruto's clone and Sakura so there's no denying it. Besides, Naruto had made other clones and used techniques before fighting Kaguya. It's not exactly half of his reserves.
Agreed, the main characteristic about PS is size, power and wings, Sasuke's avatar displayed neither of these traits which means it wasn't PS just a pre-mature version of it.
I'm starting to believe the trye narutobase members are being replaced by people who don't read or understand the manga. The fact that people are agreeing with this thread is just plain sad
You don't actually see the collection of fragments rather only one fragment, which would be this one:
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The highlighted one is the one that fell on top of the mountains. I think the scaling of mountains were flawed by the author, since those mountains do not match that mountains scaled next the Shinju stump.
There's clearly a collection of fragments in this panel, not just one.
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Yes, one could say that the author's scaling isn't 100% consistent, but the intent is clear.
When shown side by side, Madara's CT and the Shinju's stump are very clearly shown to be bigger than mountains and it's literally impossible for them to be only as big as a mountain when Madara's CT is blatantly stated to be bigger than Pain's.
The other point is, I don't believe an individual CT from Madara were bigger than than Pain's. You reference Naruto's statement, but he didn't see the size of Pain's CT because by the time Kurama vanished, the CT had already collapsed. I think Pain's CT was bigger than an individual Madara's CT. One CT from Madara had a width of a mountain, whereas Pain's CT could fill 12 mountains.
This conclusion is correct. All Perfect Susano'o possess the same exact strength.
The 1st scan that you posted shows how big the collective CT fragments are compared to mountains, but it's moot since that's basic firepower that any user of the jutsu can replicate via the blade.
Those meteors were only as big as a mountain range. Madara's CT were bigger than Pain's via direct statement, so they would have to be bigger than a mountain, much bigger.
Madara's meteors=Shinju trunk=A fraction of Naruto & Bee's Bijudama crater. Madara's PS can easily cut something that is a mere fraction of the size of the combined Bijudama crater.
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Fanboys will usually claim that since Madara never cut anything as big as those meteors, Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o is superior, despite the only thing that factors into what the shockwave can and can't cut in this specific case is how far the shockwave itself travels.
It doesn't make any sense since Madara wouldn't even be able to cut Pain's CT by that same logic, since apparently he can't cut anything that's bigger than a mountain.
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None of Sasuke's feats with Perfect Susano'o puts his over Madara's, even the feat that people like to exaggerate. Sasuke's performance at VOTE doesn't even leave room for interpretation.
Jin Jubi can nullify Ninjutsu via Onmyouton, which can be applied with TSB. It's not like Ashura had that technique, in the same way Naruto couldn't nullify Ninjutsu.
Indra Arrow is a technique manifested via 9 Biju + PS; it's not something Indra can do, which you assumed because of the name. He's not listed as user in the databook.
All TSB have the innate ability to nullify ninjutsu. You just have to alter its properties. It contains every element as well as yin and yang. Its above all ninjutsu and can make them into nothing. Of course you have to know how to manipulate them.
You cant compare a novice like Naruto to Asura whos fought indra many times in war. Even Sasuke had to get used to Rinnegan. Only reason obito and Madara could use TSB do well is because thry trained in six paths ancient techniques. They knew everything.
Indras Arrow is named such because its "his" arrow or at least has his power. Madara and certainly EMS Sasuke dont compare at all.
This doesn't even make sense though. EMS Madara made the same PS EMS Sasuke did. And that's covering Kurama with it. It wasn't until Edo that Madara made a standing PS and even then he had sage chakra and Hashirama's DNA. So you can't say EMS Madara's PS = Rinnegan Sasuke's. When EMS Madara never shown a standing PS when he was alive.
Rinnegan Sasuke's PS >> EMS Madara's. And edo Madara's.
Ems Madaras sussano is not in any way as strong as rinnegan sasukes for many reasons number 1 sasuke ahnihalated 2 chibaku tenseis that dwarf the hell out of the puny mountain tops madara was cutting number 2 flight sasukes sussano can fly madaras sussano has never shown this feat number 3 sussano chidori trumps anything madara has shown with his perfect sussano number 4 sasukes sussano is the same size or larger than ems madaras proof of this is the FACT rinnegan sasuke has a supeior amount of yin chakara than ems madara and the FACT that sussano size is dependent on the users chakara and the mode its in all perfect sussano are appropoximately the same size but if their was a bigger one it would be sasukes seeing as he has a higher amount of chakara and a higher potency than ems madaras sussano good day dont spout bull like this and try to downplay sasuke when its fact that not a single uchiha member can compete with him dont bring a jubbi jin in either
Ems Madaras sussano is not in any way as strong as rinnegan sasukes for many reasons number 1 sasuke ahnihalated 2 chibaku tenseis that dwarf the hell out of the puny mountain tops madara was cutting number 2 flight sasukes sussano can fly madaras sussano has never shown this feat number 3 sussano chidori trumps anything madara has shown with his perfect sussano number 4 sasukes sussano is the same size or larger than ems madaras proof of this is the FACT rinnegan sasuke has a supeior amount of yin chakara than ems madara and the FACT that sussano size is dependent on the users chakara and the mode its in all perfect sussano are appropoximately the same size but if their was a bigger one it would be sasukes seeing as he has a higher amount of chakara and a higher potency than ems madaras sussano good day dont spout bull like this and try to downplay sasuke when its fact that not a single uchiha member can compete with him dont bring a jubbi jin in either
And that dude clearly doesn't understand kishi doesnt draw anything to scale lol like what indra is the original perfect sussano user so how can madara have a bigger one ? I swear no logics used madaras perfect sussano seemed so epic because it was the first ever shown in the series thats an uchihas ultimate power he literally had to portray how strong it was
And that dude clearly doesn't understand kishi doesnt draw anything to scale lol like what indra is the original perfect sussano user so how can madara have a bigger one ? I swear no logics used madaras perfect sussano seemed so epic because it was the first ever shown in the series thats an uchihas ultimate power he literally had to portray how strong it was
:lol Indra's PS head alone was the size of Ashura's avatar. And Madara's PS was the size of Kurama and wood golem. XD Indra also inherited Hagoromo's strong chakra there is just no way Madara's PS is bigger.
There's clearly a collection of fragments in this panel, not just one.
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Yes, one could say that the author's scaling isn't 100% consistent, but the intent is clear.
When shown side by side, Madara's CT and the Shinju's stump are very clearly shown to be bigger than mountains and it's literally impossible for them to be only as big as a mountain when Madara's CT is blatantly stated to be bigger than Pain's.
I don't see any collection of fragments; if there are, highlight them. All the panel shows is that very fragment in that panel you posted, is the same one that I highlighted which dwarfs mountain range.
Character's words =/= author's words. Characters share their own perspective which has flaws just as humans in real life. Differentiate between the two. A statement would be an official as well as factually supported claim, yet Pain's CT was shown to be as big as 12 mountains combined, when Madara's CT was as wide as an individual mountain. What's been stated is shown differently.
Yet he questions if he was the one who performed the TBB and speculated that he killed Hinata and villagers, which obviously points out that he doesn't see outside during his rampage. [
You can't say that Majestic Attire: Susano'o is Perfect Susano'o just because of appearance though. There are multiple skeletal versions of Susano'o that aren't the same yet share similarities. As much as it may not make sense to you, Kishimoto made a direct comparison to Naruto's clone and Sakura so there's no denying it. Besides, Naruto had made other clones and used techniques before fighting Kaguya. It's not exactly half of his reserves.
Majestic Attire: Susanoo has the same offensive and defensive power as Perfect Susanoo. What separates Susanoo versions is their defensive and offensive, and the one Sasuke shaped with Kurama had just that. It's PS, there is no denying it. Then you are equating that Sakura has comparable reserves to that clone, which could manifest Kurama mode and use TBB or Rasenshuriken. Are you equating that or not?
Majestic Attire: Susanoo has the same offensive and defensive power as Perfect Susanoo. What separates Susanoo versions is their defensive and offensive, and the one Sasuke shaped with Kurama had just that. It's PS, there is no denying it. Then you are equating that Sakura has comparable reserves to that clone, which could manifest Kurama mode and use TBB or Rasenshuriken. Are you equating that or not?
Majestic Attire: Susano'o seems to have a stronger offense than Perfect Susano'o. Either way, it's not Perfect Susano'o and if it were, there wouldn't have to be an entirely new name for the technique. It doesn't make sense for him to just coincidentally have it for the last moment of the fight and not use it himself. Yes, Sakura has more chakra. It's already been clearly established in the manga. You're simply underestimating her.
I wanted to debunk the claims that Rinnegan Sasuke's PS is more powerful than EMS Madara's. I will demonstrate accurate scaling to prove my point. Anybody is free to disagree if desire so, but keep the discussion civil. EMS Madara's CT destructive capacity is cutting mountain range.
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The declaimer will illustrate his/her point by pasting the scan of fragment of Madara's CT, which I will disagree here.
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The author has inconsistency with accurate drawing, and this is what confuses people. Those mountains were not drawn to actual scale because I will illustrate panels to show why.
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As shown above, the CT's have a width that is equal to width of Shinju stump. The Shinju stump has a width equivalent to a mountain, as illustrated by panel below:
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That would mean that each CT had a width equal to a mountain as well, since its width is equal to the Shinju stump, which has a width equal to a mountain. The fragment argument is a null as those mountains were not drawn to scale.
Rinnegan Sasuke's PS, per slash, produces a mountain-cutting DC, which EMS Madara casually did.
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Summary
For those who didn't bother reading, here are bullet points to simply everything:
The CT's fragments that dwarfed mountains is a null, because those mountains were not drawn to scale.
Each CT had a width equal to the Shinju stump, which is equal to a mountain, but its length was higher.
In VOTE battle, Sasuke's PS is shown to produce a mountain DC, which EMS Madara was able to do.
This conclusion is correct. All Perfect Susano'o possess the same exact strength.
The 1st scan that you posted shows how big the collective CT fragments are compared to mountains, but it's moot since that's basic firepower that any user of the jutsu can replicate via the blade.
Those meteors were only as big as a mountain range. Madara's CT were bigger than Pain's via direct statement, so they would have to be bigger than a mountain, much bigger.
Madara's meteors=Shinju trunk=A fraction of Naruto & Bee's Bijudama crater. Madara's PS can easily cut something that is a mere fraction of the size of the combined Bijudama crater.
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Fanboys will usually claim that since Madara never cut anything as big as those meteors, Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o is superior, despite the only thing that factors into what the shockwave can and can't cut in this specific case is how far the shockwave itself travels.
It doesn't make any sense since Madara wouldn't even be able to cut Pain's CT by that same logic, since apparently he can't cut anything that's bigger than a mountain.
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None of Sasuke's feats with Perfect Susano'o puts his over Madara's, even the feat that people like to exaggerate. Sasuke's performance at VOTE doesn't even leave room for interpretation.
Wants to ignore a panel where we actually have a direct comparison between fragments of the meteor and surrounding mountains because of "lol innacurracy" but is willing to interpret his own calculations as evidence even though that "inaccuracy" argument can also be applied. thread is invalid for that alone
I don't see any collection of fragments; if there are, highlight them. All the panel shows is that very fragment in that panel you posted, is the same one that I highlighted which dwarfs mountain range.
These fragments don't really need any pointing out.
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The Shinju is much wider than 1 mountain.
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Character's words =/= author's words. Characters share their own perspective which has flaws just as humans in real life. Differentiate between the two. A statement would be an official as well as factually supported claim, yet Pain's CT was shown to be as big as 12 mountains combined, when Madara's CT was as wide as an individual mountain. What's been stated is shown differently.
Naruto isn't going to be making a comment about Pain's CT if he apparently never saw it. Makes no sense. He was in Sage mode. He saw the state that Hinata was in despite being nowhere near her and he clearly looks at CT before it fell apart.
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Yet he questions if he was the one who performed the TBB and speculated that he killed Hinata and villagers, which obviously points out that he doesn't see outside during his rampage. [
Agreed, the main characteristic about PS is size, power and wings, Sasuke's avatar displayed neither of these traits which means it wasn't PS just a pre-mature version of it.
