I see you're one of those with a belief EMS Sasuke didn't achieve PS on his own. I don't want the thread to go off-topic, but your last sentence doesn't have an official proof. Let's try to use another example: MS Kakashi. According to him, Six Paths Chakra increased his eye ability (Susanoo). [
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] That would mean the quantitative of Six Paths Chakra Kakashi was so great that it allowed him to manifest PS with Kamui, compared to Obito who made a complain he couldn't open wormhole with his Chakra.
Of course Sasuke didn't have it. I'd see no reason why he'd limit his power against someone he clearly couldn't defeat (Obito). On the contrary, your last sentence doesn't make sense, since Kakashi was using Obito's own chakra, so they were the same in power. Traveling through Kaguya's dimensions takes far more effort than using Susano'o. Kakashi being able to use it simply means exactly that. Since his Susano'o was on the level of everyone else's then that's further proof the difference is negligible.
This conclusion is correct. All Perfect Susano'o possess the same exact strength.
The 1st scan that you posted shows how big the collective CT fragments are compared to mountains, but it's moot since that's basic firepower that any user of the jutsu can replicate via the blade.
Those meteors were only as big as a mountain range. Madara's CT were bigger than Pain's via direct statement, so they would have to be bigger than a mountain, much bigger.
Madara's meteors=Shinju trunk=A fraction of Naruto & Bee's Bijudama crater. Madara's PS can easily cut something that is a mere fraction of the size of the combined Bijudama crater.
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Fanboys will usually claim that since Madara never cut anything as big as those meteors, Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o is superior, despite the only thing that factors into what the shockwave can and can't cut in this specific case is how far the shockwave itself travels.
It doesn't make any sense since Madara wouldn't even be able to cut Pain's CT by that same logic, since apparently he can't cut anything that's bigger than a mountain.
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None of Sasuke's feats with Perfect Susano'o puts his over Madara's, even the feat that people like to exaggerate. Sasuke's performance at VOTE doesn't even leave room for interpretation.
You've got to be kidding me. 2016 and people still believe that crap. If Sasuke didn't have PS, then how in god's green earth could he do the exact same thing Madara did with Kurama.
Majestic Attire: Susano'o is not Perfect Susano'o. They just share similar features. If Sasuke had Perfect Susano'o then why would he hold back against Obito? That's rather foolish.
Sasuke never displayed the same level of Susanoo as Madara until he received Sage chakra. It's most likely that Madara's unique feat was that he possessed the Sharingan's full power instead of having any special techs like Kamui or Enton which would explain why his PS was the same as Rinnegan Sasuke's.
Madara and Hshirama were the strongest of all transmigrates. Madara had EMS and Hashirama had Mokuton, which not even their ancestors had, and their DC was comparable to current Naruto & Sasuke. Hashirama also had yang properties: his cells granted a huge power-up in Chakra and healing capacity. They were unique.
This conclusion is correct. All Perfect Susano'o possess the same exact strength.
The 1st scan that you posted shows how big the collective CT fragments are compared to mountains, but it's moot since that's basic firepower that any user of the jutsu can replicate via the blade.
Those meteors were only as big as a mountain range. Madara's CT were bigger than Pain's via direct statement, so they would have to be bigger than a mountain, much bigger.
You don't actually see the collection of fragments rather only one fragment, which would be this one:
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The highlighted one is the one that fell on top of the mountains. I think the scaling of mountains were flawed by the author, since those mountains do not match that mountains scaled next the Shinju stump.
The other point is, I don't believe an individual CT from Madara were bigger than than Pain's. You reference Naruto's statement, but he didn't see the size of Pain's CT because by the time Kurama vanished, the CT had already collapsed. I think Pain's CT was bigger than an individual Madara's CT. One CT from Madara had a width of a mountain, whereas Pain's CT could fill 12 mountains.
Of course Sasuke didn't have it. I'd see no reason why he'd limit his power against someone he clearly couldn't defeat (Obito). On the contrary, your last sentence doesn't make sense, since Kakashi was using Obito's own chakra, so they were the same in power. Traveling through Kaguya's dimensions takes far more effort than using Susano'o. Kakashi being able to use it simply means exactly that. Since his Susano'o was on the level of everyone else's then that's further proof the difference is negligible.
It's not that he didn't limit his power; it's that he couldn't achieve his full potential until that moment where he manifested PS. Are you suggesting Sakura has more Chakra than Naruto's clone and the quantitative of Six Paths Chakra Kakashi got? I find that a ridiculous assertion.
I agree with this Sasuke still had a long way to equal Madara. He then recieved chakra from the Kyuubi and after that more chakra from Hagoromo. This put him above Madara in my opinion but Madara can still compete.
I know its strange to say EMS=/=Rinnegan but in regards to Susano'o I dont think there's much of a difference. If there were Naruto's Avatar would be exponentially stronger considering all the chakra upgrades it had. However it appears to go up in intervals in regards to the avatars. But this is just me speculating kishi is highly inconsistent.
Madara and Hshirama were the strongest of all transmigrates. Madara had EMS and Hashirama had Mokuton, which not even their ancestors had, and their DC was comparable to current Naruto & Sasuke. Hashirama also had yang properties: his cells granted a huge power-up in Chakra and healing capacity. They were unique.
Exactly, Hashi didn't need Kurama to regenerate his organs, didn't need toads to learn SM, he was able to tame the Juubi and jutsu like wood dragon is borderline COAT.
In comparison, Madara's avatar had the same level of power as Rinnegan Sasuke's and he didn't need special MS jutsu to be considered as Hashirama's equal.
From what it seems Madara had Indra's full Yin power while Hashirama had Ashura's full Yang power but neihter of them had the same talent Naruto and Sasuke possessed.
Maybe cause Madara's special MS feat was the ability to use Indra's PS, he's the first MS user so maybe his dojutsu had no special techniques in return for having the full power of Sharingan.
Madara and Hshirama were the strongest of all transmigrates. Madara had EMS and Hashirama had Mokuton, which not even their ancestors had, and their DC was comparable to current Naruto & Sasuke. Hashirama also had yang properties: his cells granted a huge power-up in Chakra and healing capacity. They were unique.
EMS does not make Madara stronger than Indra. Indras MS may be eternal in itself. His chakra comes straight from Hagaromo undilluted. And an important thing to note is he isnt Uchiha he is ancestor to the Uchiha he may not be bound by the same rules of a dilluted bloodline. He may be unbound especially since he can combat TSB of an RSM user, EMS Madara cant do that.
Exactly, Hashi didn't need Kurama to regenerate his organs, didn't need toads to learn SM, he was able to tame the Juubi and jutsu like wood dragon is borderline COAT.
In comparison, Madara's avatar had the same level of power as Rinnegan Sasuke's and he didn't need special MS jutsu to be considered as Hashirama's equal.
From what it seems Madara had Indra's full Yin power while Hashirama had Ashura's full Yang power but neihter of them had the same talent Naruto and Sasuke possessed.
You also cannot make assumptions as to how powerful it is. At best, you could say his PS has the same DC as his V3 Legged Susanoo that received a boost from Kurama, which would be cutting a Shinju root that dwarfed his Susanoo. But, it's not like those roots had any great durability, when smaller ones were getting cut by gunbai and samurai katana.
It's not that he didn't limit his power; it's that he couldn't achieve his full potential until that moment where he manifested PS. Are you suggesting Sakura has more Chakra than Naruto's clone and the quantitative of Six Paths Chakra Kakashi got? I find that a ridiculous assertion.
Are you referring to after awakening the Rinnegan or combining with Naruto? I believe Sasuke could have reached Perfect Susano'o without it, he just didn't have enough time with his eyes though. Sakura was storing chakra for years, so it's not unbelievable that she had more chakra than a mere clone. That clone didn't have enough chakra for Obito while Sakura single-handedly was allowing Obito to open multiple dimensions.
You also cannot make assumptions as to how powerful it is. At best, you could say his PS has the same DC as his V3 Legged Susanoo that received a boost from Kurama, which would be cutting a Shinju root that dwarfed his Susanoo. But, it's not like those roots had any great durability, when smaller ones were getting cut by gunbai and samurai katana.
EMS does not make Madara stronger than Indra. Indras MS may be eternal in itself. His chakra comes straight from Hagaromo undilluted. And an important thing to note is he isnt Uchiha he is ancestor to the Uchiha he may not be bound by the same rules of a dilluted bloodline. He may be unbound especially since he can combat TSB of an RSM user, EMS Madara cant do that.
Are you referring to after awakening the Rinnegan or combining with Naruto? I believe Sasuke could have reached Perfect Susano'o without it, he just didn't have enough time with his eyes though. Sakura was storing chakra for years, so it's not unbelievable that she had more chakra than a mere clone. That clone didn't have enough chakra for Obito while Sakura single-handedly was allowing Obito to open multiple dimensions.
When he combined it with Naruto. That clone had 50% of Naruto's Chakra, since Kage Bunshin divide user's Chakra by half; that would mean Sakura had more Chakra than 50% of Naruto's own.
Sasuke had Senjutsu in the form of curse mark. And they teamed up to fight an incomplete juubi jin.
EMS Madara doesnt compare to indra. However in Hashis case senjutsu affects tsb but RSM users are as physically(ninjutsu wise also) strong as juubi jins so no cake walk for Hashi and most certainly no win.
Think of Indras Arrow. I rest my case. That is the power of Asura & Indra wayy above hashi/maddy
I'm starting to believe the trye narutobase members are being replaced by people who don't read or understand the manga. The fact that people are agreeing with this thread is just plain sad
When he combined it with Naruto. That clone had 50% of Naruto's Chakra, since Kage Bunshin divide user's Chakra by half; that would mean Sakura had more Chakra than 50% of Naruto's own.
You can't say that Majestic Attire: Susano'o is Perfect Susano'o just because of appearance though. There are multiple skeletal versions of Susano'o that aren't the same yet share similarities. As much as it may not make sense to you, Kishimoto made a direct comparison to Naruto's clone and Sakura so there's no denying it. Besides, Naruto had made other clones and used techniques before fighting Kaguya. It's not exactly half of his reserves.
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