[VS] rinnegan obito vs prime nagato

[Seventh Sama]

Doesn't gravity affect space time? If so then theatrically nagato could push obito around while obito is in ghost mode

 

[Azurestealth]

That's why I focus more on Deva path.

You have to remember that Pein uses Preta to nourish his chakra, so after destroying the village he was absorbing chakra to get back into full power.

So the battle between naruto and deva path is as strong as Nagato would get in one body and this "prime condition."

That was full power deva path, he wasn't worn out from the big shrina tensei prior to naruto's arrival any more, that was full power chibakui tensei.

Even prime nagato doesn't have good mobility because that is basically edo tensei nagato or the one that couldn't dodge paper bombs from his feat.

MS Obito is comparable to the ninetails just like Madara was himself, he has Uchiha/Senju blood and powers.

The only people that were said to control so many beast were Madara and Hashirama, and with Obito's senju dna he easily has more chakra than the 3rd or 4th Raikage.

He literally controlled gedo w/5 bijuus and fought in the war for like a day or two with no breaks while overcoming the juubi from taking over his body in a near death state.

Obito easily has chakra that competes with bijuus, that's like Hashirama and Madara level of chakra.

For the most part i agree with you that Nagato was replenishing his chakra with the Deva path regaining its strength and it was fighting at its strongest. But as shown by edo nagato who i consider to be at the same level as prime nagato that he is much stronger than the deva path alone and all of the other paths because he can use their powers to a greater extent and simultaneously this can increase the number of ways in which he can incorporate them into an effective battle strategy against obito or some one of a similar level. Secondly obito with all of his kekkai genkai does have a very strong level of chakra also due to his uchiha heritage but that is the same as Nagato being an Uzumaki. But Obito himself said that Nagato has a huge level of exceptionally strong chakra and don't forget that Nagato even after using chibaku tensei fighting the kyubbi, fighting naruto destroying konoha and actually fighting the majority of the population whilst splitting his chakra six different ways whilst constantly changing their frequency really shows the extraordinary strain put on Nagato's body throughout the invasion. But even after all this he could still revive every single person he killed in konoha. This is at least on the same level of obito's stamina feats if not more.

 

[Azurestealth]

Doesn't gravity affect space time? If so then theatrically nagato could push obito around while obito is in ghost mode

I'm not entirely sure as technically obito is in another dimension with kamui but it could be plausible if he only makes part of his body intangible then the other half could be manipulated by gravity.

 

[KidGamer65]

Obito wins mid diff.

 

[Unorthodox]

obito trys to warp him he uses st bijuu punches him to pieces

 

[Azurestealth]

Can't Obito warp Nagato to another dimension while Nagato's busy fighting the jinchuriki paths? I don't see why he can't do that

That is true but Nagato could use a massive shinra tensei and stop obito from warping him whilst making some distance between him and the jinchurikis.

 

[KidGamer65]

obito trys to warp him he uses st bijuu punches him to pieces

Then he re spawns via Izanagi and warps Nagato during the 5 second interval.

GG.

 

[Azurestealth]

obito trys to warp him he uses st bijuu punches him to pieces

This is prime nagato he can use multiple paths at once he could just use the preta path to absorb the bijuu's chakra as they are just beings made of chakra. He could also use the human path to extract it's soul or he could summon some asura path armor to protect him and also the fact that nagato is also veru durable in a fight means it wouldn't do much.

 

[Azurestealth]

Then he re spawns via Izanagi and warps Nagato during the 5 second interval.

GG.

Why would obito waste his sharingan using inzanagi if it is just shinra tensei he wouldn't be killed by it which i think is a requirement for izanagi to activate in that you need to use it in a life or death situation.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why would obito waste his sharingan using inzanagi if it is just shinra tensei he wouldn't be killed by it which i think is a requirement for izanagi to activate in that you need to use it in a life or death situation.

A large enough Shinra Tensei will send him spiraling to the ground (If the user wishes) and then he will become nothing but a smear on the ground. Izanagi prevents that.

 

[Azurestealth]

A large enough Shinra Tensei will send him spiraling to the ground (If the user wishes) and then he will become nothing but a smear on the ground. Izanagi prevents that.

True but with his half zetsu body and generally good durability he could still probably survive even the shinra tensei that destroyed konoha even if he was in a severely weakened state.

 

[KidGamer65]

True but with his half zetsu body and generally good durability he could still probably survive even the shinra tensei that destroyed konoha even if he was in a severely weakened state.

Lol, no. Not a chance. A Zetsu body's durability isn't even that great. He'd turn to paste if he took that head on.

 

[VongolaX]

For the most part i agree with you that Nagato was replenishing his chakra with the Deva path regaining its strength and it was fighting at its strongest. But as shown by edo nagato who i consider to be at the same level as prime nagato that he is much stronger than the deva path alone and all of the other paths because he can use their powers to a greater extent and simultaneously this can increase the number of ways in which he can incorporate them into an effective battle strategy against obito or some one of a similar level. Secondly obito with all of his kekkai genkai does have a very strong level of chakra also due to his uchiha heritage but that is the same as Nagato being an Uzumaki. But Obito himself said that Nagato has a huge level of exceptionally strong chakra and don't forget that Nagato even after using chibaku tensei fighting the kyubbi, fighting naruto destroying konoha and actually fighting the majority of the population whilst splitting his chakra six different ways whilst constantly changing their frequency really shows the extraordinary strain put on Nagato's body throughout the invasion. But even after all this he could still revive every single person he killed in konoha. This is at least on the same level of obito's stamina feats if not more.

Well for yes, using combinations are a lot more effective in one body, but the same concept applies to Obito too.

He can combine six path/rinnegan justus with Kumai (against Hachibi) or Kumai with yin yang release (against madara) as well if you thought nagato was deadly enough.

Those combination are a lot deadlier and efficient than the limited set nagato can use...

2. Obito has more chakra and stamina than nagato because of senju dna is a factor.

The Uchiha have a lot of chakra and powerful ones at that too, but senju has a lot of chakra and physical energy/stamina.

Uzamaki's literally have 50% of the senju (besides life-force)...

Obito being that shouldn't be compared to Nagato, remember being uchiha and senju blood with power is the power of the sage

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Like I posted before, that chibakui tensei was in ful power because he fully replenish his chakra.

So that Deva path is the same chakra as the one that just entered the village.

The only thing you can argue is that he was physically tired (no stamina) left, even Obito as past Nagato at the point during the war.

 

[Azurestealth]

Lol, no. Not a chance. A Zetsu body's durability isn't even that great. He'd turn to paste if he took that head on.

I concede he would most likely die from it and the he would be able to activate izanagi.

 

[Draphsin]

You really aren't getting this are you i have provided evidence to back up my opinion in that Nagato used a new jutsu whereas you have no evidence to suggest that he used on of his more known techs to kill the two konoha shinobi. You would know if he had used one of the six paths techs but he didn't i can't stress that enough you have no evidence to suggest he did whereas i do.

False, false, false. Stop playing the ignorant. You have NO proof that nagato used anything other than the six path jutsus that we already know.

All this "new jutsu" bs is just that, nothing more than your fanfiction of what nagato MAY have used during that attack.

Now I don't want to hear any more of this, until you prove to me that nagato can use some brand new jutsu that has zero feats then this is all fanfiction.

Next point kamui is made up of chakra it is a ninjutsu to be more specific space time ninjutsu. Therefore it can be absorbed by the preta path as it can absorb all forms of chakra. Seeing as it is made up of chakra it will be absorbed leaving obito vunerable.

This doesn't in the slightest prove that the portal itself is made up of chakra. Just because it's classified as a s/t jutsu doesnt mean that it's made out of chakra, simple.

And you are acting like obito can stay intangible forever his limit is 5 minutes. Nagato can use every single jutsu because of the rinnegan as stated by Jiraiya and Ibiki Morino. I am 100% sure that he can keep attacking obito continuously for 5 minutes as he has very good stamina and extremely large chakra levels as stated by you guessed it Obito.

Lol Once the intangibility is close to it's limit obito goes underground, warps away & repeats all over again. Lol Unless you can trap obito by removing the ground from under him then you can't stop him from escaping or from recharging his limit. Konan had to remove the ground & turn it into a sea of paper bombs in order to trap obito. Nagato has nothing which can compare to that length of time.

Not to mention that Nagato can use several paths all at once further increasing the likelihood that he can keep obito busy for 5 minutes until he becomes tangible which is when nagato would attack him.

All of Nagato's paths are bypassed, if nagato tries to overwhelm obito then he phases underground & away from the battlefield.

Obito can then warp behind nagato when his guard is down.

Also about the summons it wouldn't matter if they are weak if they can keep pestering obito with weaker techs that force him to remain intagible then it would help Nagato. It doesn't matter if they are weak or not it is all about how you use them.

Summons can't do anything, obito walks up to nagato & if the summons attack him then they attack nagato too, lmao.

I only called the summons weak because of the mazou, summons are summons & none of them can do anything to obito.

And finally if obito wants to warp away Nagato or attack him then he will need to become tangible once again leaving his vulnerable to attack from Nagato's summons and various path jutsus.

Not happening, obito can't be sensed until he enters the real world & he can warp faster than a jinton could finish activating, nagato doesnt have anything fast enough to hit obito once he gets a hold of him.

 

[Azurestealth]

Well for yes, using combinations are a lot more effective in one body, but the same concept applies to Obito too.

He can combine six path/rinnegan justus with Kumai (against Hachibi) or Kumai with yin yang release (against madara) as well if you thought nagato was deadly enough.

Those combination are a lot deadlier and efficient than the limited set nagato can use...

2. Obito has more chakra and stamina than nagato because of senju dna is a factor.

The Uchiha have a lot of chakra and powerful ones at that too, but senju has a lot of chakra and physical energy/stamina.

Uzamaki's literally have 50% of the senju (besides life-force)...

Obito being that shouldn't be compared to Nagato, remember being uchiha and senju blood with power is the power of the sage

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Like I posted before, that chibakui tensei was in ful power because he fully replenish his chakra.

So that Deva path is the same chakra as the one that just entered the village.

The only thing you can argue is that he was physically tired (no stamina) left, even Obito as past Nagato at the point during the war.

That's what i was mostly going for that he was physically exhausted and tired after the strenuous jutsu's that he consecutively used on such a large scale. However obito has obviously shown the ability to use yin yang release as the jubbi's jin and when he wasn't but i wouldn't underestimate nagato's ability to use it as well. Although it has never been shown it has been heavily implied that he can use and as whilst nagato might not be able to use it on the same level i would say it would be enough to severely push obito into a corner where he makes a mistake and Nagato could capitalize on it. It would be a good fight for the fans to see though.

 

[Azurestealth]

False, false, false. Stop playing the ignorant. You have NO proof that nagato used anything other than the six path jutsus that we already know.

All this "new jutsu" bs is just that, nothing more than your fanfiction of what nagato MAY have used during that attack.

Now I don't want to hear any more of this, until you prove to me that nagato can use some brand new jutsu that has zero feats then this is all fanfiction.



This doesn't in the slightest prove that the portal itself is made up of chakra. Just because it's classified as a s/t jutsu doesnt mean that it's made out of chakra, simple.



Lol Once the intangibility is close to it's limit obito goes underground, warps away & repeats all over again. Lol Unless you can trap obito by removing the ground from under him then you can't stop him from escaping or from recharging his limit. Konan had to remove the ground & turn it into a sea of paper bombs in order to trap obito. Nagato has nothing which can compare to that length of time.



All of Nagato's paths are bypassed, if nagato tries to overwhelm obito then he phases underground & away from the battlefield.

Obito can then warp behind nagato when his guard is down.



Summons can't do anything, obito walks up to nagato & if the summons attack him then they attack nagato too, lmao.

I only called the summons weak because of the mazou, summons are summons & none of them can do anything to obito.



Not happening, obito can't be sensed until he enters the real world & he can warp faster than a jinton could finish activating, nagato doesnt have anything fast enough to hit obito once he gets a hold of him.

You are incredibly hard to argue against because you won't accept facts. Firstly obito can't just go out of intangibility after 5 minutes for 1 second and then repeat another 5 minutes it would be physcially draining for him. And secondly i'm not ignorant you are for not providing a shred of evidence as to how it could be one of the more well known rinnegan techs that killed the konoha shinobi that murdered his parents. I have provided evidence to back up my opinion because the state of the room house and the bodies of the 4 that died in front of nagato weren't touched or affected in any way. Therefore it can't be shinra tensei bansho tennin the asura path or chibaku tensei for obvious reasons so how about you provide evidence as to how nagato killed the iwa shinobi and the konoha shinobi using one of the well known rinnegan techs instead of my proposed new jutsu then so until you can provide at least one bit of evidence to support your claims i will reject all parts of your argument that is based around nagato using a pre existing rinnegan tech to kill the konoha shinobi.

 

[Draphsin]

You are incredibly hard to argue against because you won't accept facts.

What facts?? Give me one fact that supports your statement that nagato used another new jutsu, there is nothing. Sure you may believe he used a new jutsu because we didn't see what he did but that in no way validates any kind of brand new, made up technique.

Fanfiction, I might as well say that obito used a brand new jutsu that we've never seen when he removed ama from his arm. This jutsu can cancel all ninjutsu or obito used his zetsu body to absorb the ama. Take your pick because these are just as bs as your claim is.

Firstly obito can't just go out of intangibility after 5 minutes for 1 second and then repeat another 5 minutes it would be physcially draining for him.

Proof that kamui drains obito? Lol obito can use kamui even with a massive hole in his chest & while low on chakra, kamui is not a problem for him in any situation. As for him not being able to go intangible, do you know the limits of his jutsu? Konan specifically stated that he can only remain intangible for 5 minutes at a time, where is it implied that obito has to cooldown before he can use it again? Nowhere, therefore what I said holds true & obito can easily deactivate it & activate it right after.

& If you still want to deny facts then okay obito can still warp away, but just has to take a while longer before he can use it again, no big deal as he isn't in any rush.

And secondly i'm not ignorant you are for not providing a shred of evidence as to how it could be one of the more well known rinnegan techs that killed the konoha shinobi that murdered his parents.

You are treading a fine line here, I'm contemplating whether or not to take you seriously anymore... Nagato can only use 6 paths, we don't know of any other jutsus other than the 6 paths that nagato has shown us. Why on earth are you giving nagato jutsus?? Are we giving people jutsus now? I guess Ill just have to give obito all of nagato's rinnegan feats then as it doesnt matter right? We can now make up abilities for our characters because who cares right? I have a scan stating that madara taught obito the 6 paths jutsus, therefore he can use them. He can use a brand new jutsu that we've never seen before to negate amaterasu, so he can now negate all jutsus...

Do you see how ridiculous this sounds? Giving nagato a new jutsu based on absolutely nothing? Yeah it's utter nonsense so please get it out of your head.

I have provided evidence to back up my opinion because the state of the room house and the bodies of the 4 that died in front of nagato weren't touched or affected in any way. Therefore it can't be shinra tensei bansho tennin the asura path or chibaku tensei for obvious reasons so how about you provide evidence as to how nagato killed the iwa shinobi and the konoha shinobi using one of the well known rinnegan techs instead of my proposed new jutsu then so until you can provide at least one bit of evidence to support your claims i will reject all parts of your argument that is based around nagato using a pre existing rinnegan tech to kill the konoha shinobi.

This is your proof? The state of the room & people [2] who got killed? Nakara path easily takes care of this, look it up.

 

[VongolaX]

That's what i was mostly going for that he was physically exhausted and tired after the strenuous jutsu's that he consecutively used on such a large scale. However obito has obviously shown the ability to use yin yang release as the jubbi's jin and when he wasn't but i wouldn't underestimate nagato's ability to use it as well. Although it has never been shown it has been heavily implied that he can use and as whilst nagato might not be able to use it on the same level i would say it would be enough to severely push obito into a corner where he makes a mistake and Nagato could capitalize on it. It would be a good fight for the fans to see though.

@ bolded, now you get it but Obito during the war went through far worse than nagato did against the villagers and naruto.

Well, Obito used omyoudon because he was the juubi's jinchuuriki yet still able to absorb Madara's sage mode because he was once linked with natural chakra.

Inzanagi is a yin yang technique too, and he has others he can preform too.

While nagato can't make Obito slip up, he has way more experience to make a mistake.

He fought how many kages now?

 

[Azurestealth]

What facts?? Give me one fact that supports your statement that nagato used another new jutsu, there is nothing. Sure you may believe he used a new jutsu because we didn't see what he did but that in no way validates any kind of brand new, made up technique.

Fanfiction, I might as well say that obito used a brand new jutsu that we've never seen when he removed ama from his arm. This jutsu can cancel all ninjutsu or obito used his zetsu body to absorb the ama. Take your pick because these are just as bs as your claim is.



Proof that kamui drains obito? Lol obito can use kamui even with a massive hole in his chest & while low on chakra, kamui is not a problem for him in any situation. As for him not being able to go intangible, do you know the limits of his jutsu? Konan specifically stated that he can only remain intangible for 5 minutes at a time, where is it implied that obito has to cooldown before he can use it again? Nowhere, therefore what I said holds true & obito can easily deactivate it & activate it right after.

& If you still want to deny facts then okay obito can still warp away, but just has to take a while longer before he can use it again, no big deal as he isn't in any rush.



You are treading a fine line here, I'm contemplating whether or not to take you seriously anymore... Nagato can only use 6 paths, we don't know of any other jutsus other than the 6 paths that nagato has shown us. Why on earth are you giving nagato jutsus?? Are we giving people jutsus now? I guess Ill just have to give obito all of nagato's rinnegan feats then as it doesnt matter right? We can now make up abilities for our characters because who cares right? I have a scan stating that madara taught obito the 6 paths jutsus, therefore he can use them. He can use a brand new jutsu that we've never seen before to negate amaterasu, so he can now negate all jutsus...

Do you see how ridiculous this sounds? Giving nagato a new jutsu based on absolutely nothing? Yeah it's utter nonsense so please get it out of your head.



This is your proof? The state of the room & people [2] who got killed? Nakara path easily takes care of this, look it up.

For the love of God i will say it very simply PROVE that he used on of the six paths techs. The Nakara path also requires the king of hell. Now tell me how an 8 year old Nagato would know to summon the King of Hell and use it as an interrogation tool to kill the shinobi.
What possible use could Nagato have to interrogate them??. However my new jutsu that might have used in times of great stress or fear like in the two situations when he did kill the 3 shinobi can be used unconsciously as it does completely fit the bill in that no one is severely injured, the room is left tidy and the shinobi are dead with no visible sign of injury. Anyone of these would be a factor in their deaths if one of the six paths techs was used. Now as i said earlier PROVE that your right and that he used on of the six paths techs.