[VS] rinnegan obito vs prime nagato

[Draphsin]

First of all if Nagato used one of his rinnegan jutsus to kill the konoha shinboi then there would have been some signs that he had used them.For example if he used shinra tensei the room around him would be very messy because of the outward push of the gravity if not destroyed. Therefore there is also more proof that there was a jutsu that allowed him to kill people just like the iwa shinobi that was attacking yahiko just suddenly dropped dead after Nagato screamed at him. If it was one of his rinnegan techs you would have know as konan and yahiko would have remembered or told him.

This is all speculation, it doesn't matter what you think on the matter nagato didn't use a "new" jutsu to kill those shinobi.

Secondly if Nagato can pull out a nail from a wooden plank without the plank coming flying up it stands to reason that Nagato passing his chakra through a medium (Deva Path) is very accurate and precise with his chakra control. Therefore it would stand to reason that he would be able to pinpoint obito's sharingan and extract it from his head as Nagato without using the six paths can control his own chakra to a greater degree and it is more potent.

Pulling a nail out of a board and pulling an eye out of someone's socket are two completely different things, lol. Not only will obito constantly be intangible but he will be moving around & using his own jutsus. Show me natato having such accuracy with deva path.

& In fact it stands to reason that obito would know all about nagato's rinnegan & know how to effectively deal with it, seeing as madara taught him the six path jutsus, who logically taught them [or showed them] to nagato himself.

Nagato has zero answers for a warp from behind, s/t will be on cooldown & the warp is much too fast for nagato to do anything. Hell even konan, someone who also knows all about nagato took years in order to prepare a trap for kamui because she knew that neither of them would stand a chance against it.

 

[schmeckie]

obito wins mid diff, ms obito would be a better matchup

 

[Azurestealth]

Wow you just misinterpret what I just posted.

Madara said that even if he doesn't awaken the rinnegan, he has Uchiha/Senju (allowing him to use Gedo anyway).

Which also unables him to use the six path Justus too without the rinnegan.

The only difference (compared to Nagato) is that Madara taught him who to use it through his will.

Posting that Obito doesn't have ct or shrina tensei is baseless, because even Madara hasn't shown any of them.

Even Madara said that he is the true master of his rinnegan, and people who borrowed his eyes are nothing compared to him.

Obito said he can use human path and he used the outer path.

While Madara (non Edo tensei) used Limbo: Hengoku and outer path.

Are you going to deny Madara from using any of his Justus Nagato used?

Hope not, because that is some serious wanking.

Now you are the one misinterpreting i'm not saying that Madara and Obito can't use the standard rinnegan techs i'm saying that obito in particular hasn't shown that he can use them by himself one after another like Nagato can. And if what you are saying is true then Nagato should be able to use Limbo Hengoku which is true if we use your logic.

 

[Azurestealth]

Chibakui tensei doesn't even last up to five minutes.

Naruto at 8 tailed half chakra broke out of it under three minutes.

After he broke it, he was standing on top of ct in sage mode.

No pressure crusher nonsense that you receive from other base members.

Ct is to trap and create, while st is to destroy and repel.

Are you seriously comparing obito in strength to the Kyubbi. The reason naruto got out of it so quickly was because nagato had already destroyed the village fought everyone in the village and he hadn't entirely recovered from his fight with Jiraiya. Also your saying chibaku tensei doesn't last for up to five minutes is the furthest thing from the truth as you can get. The moon created by the sage was chibaku tensei as he sealed the jubbis body inside it and that has lasted a lot longer than 5 minutes. Nagato's chibaku tensei is obviously no where near the sage's but his can last more than 5 minutes as before naruto went 8 tails it was looking very stable.

 

[Azurestealth]

This is all speculation, it doesn't matter what you think on the matter nagato didn't use a "new" jutsu to kill those shinobi.



Pulling a nail out of a board and pulling an eye out of someone's socket are two completely different things, lol. Not only will obito constantly be intangible but he will be moving around & using his own jutsus. Show me natato having such accuracy with deva path.

& In fact it stands to reason that obito would know all about nagato's rinnegan & know how to effectively deal with it, seeing as madara taught him the six path jutsus, who logically taught them [or showed them] to nagato himself.

Nagato has zero answers for a warp from behind, s/t will be on cooldown & the warp is much too fast for nagato to do anything. Hell even konan, someone who also knows all about nagato took years in order to prepare a trap for kamui because she knew that neither of them would stand a chance against it.

Firstly if it wasn't a new jutsu what was it tell me because to me it is the only logical choice seeing as when nagato and konan are talking to naruto they both say that he controls life and death with his rinnegan so what else could it be?. Next Nagato can just use the asura path as armour to cover his back from obito's warp not to mention the fact that just warping behind nagato won't hurt him obito would have to use a jutsu giving nagato either time to use the preta path or the asura path to block it. And finally even kamui won't do anything as it requires chakra to use. There are two ways in which Nagato can counter kamui. First is to rush up to him whilst distracting him with summons or other paths jutsus and use the preta path to take his chakra or to take his soul. The other option is to use the preta path to absorb kamui as the preta path can absorb any form of chakra. This includes doujutsu techs like susanoo and kamui therefore obito has no other techs that can overpower nagato as he also has much better chakra and stamina.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Obito wins even without the restrictions

 

[Azurestealth]

Obito wins even without the restrictions

Give me one good reason why.

 

[Draphsin]

Firstly if it wasn't a new jutsu what was it tell me because to me it is the only logical choice seeing as when nagato and konan are talking to naruto they both say that he controls life and death with his rinnegan so what else could it be?.

Nagato can revive people [rinne tensei] & he can control dead bodies as well as remove souls. That is what konan meant by having the power to control life & death.

You nor I know what it is, therefore we will go with what we do know which would mean that nagato used one of his paths, anything else is speculation.

Next Nagato can just use the asura path as armour to cover his back from obito's warp not to mention the fact that just warping behind nagato won't hurt him obito would have to use a jutsu giving nagato either time to use the preta path or the asura path to block it.

Lol What? Armor gets warped just as easily, kamui warps anything in it's vicinity. & No, once obito warps nagato then it's over, trapping nagato in the kamui dimension is just as good as sealing him.

And finally even kamui won't do anything as it requires chakra to use. There are two ways in which Nagato can counter kamui. First is to rush up to him whilst distracting him with summons or other paths jutsus and use the preta path to take his chakra or to take his soul. The other option is to use the preta path to absorb kamui as the preta path can absorb any form of chakra. This includes doujutsu techs like susanoo and kamui therefore obito has no other techs that can overpower nagato as he also has much better chakra and stamina.

Lol Yes kamui uses chakra, but prove that the black hole is made of chakra. Yes it takes chakra to use, but prove that preta can absorb a black hole. It's the same thing as saying nagato can absorb s/t barrier, not happening.

& While you try to prove the above Ill humor you. First of all summons are absolutely useless in the face of the gedo mazou, not only that but they can't even touch obito as he will remain intangible & bypass everything that nagato has to offer. Obito won't be distracted by petty summons who can't do anything to him, he will be focused on nagato.

Nagato isn't grabbing obito due to intangibility, therefore preta isn't absorbing his chakra, in fact if nagato jumps up to obito & attempts such a thing then obito easily warps him away, much faster than nagato could even think to activate his path.

Disregard the mazou, it's restricted but still not even needed.

 

[VongolaX]

Now you are the one misinterpreting i'm not saying that Madara and Obito can't use the standard rinnegan techs i'm saying that obito in particular hasn't shown that he can use them by himself one after another like Nagato can. And if what you are saying is true then Nagato should be able to use Limbo Hengoku which is true if we use your logic.

I posted six path technique, not six path of pain.

That's nagato's outer path technique that he created and named after himself.

Nagato can't use Limbo: Hengoku because he is not the same as Obito and Madara (Uchiha/Senju with rinnegan).

so you can't use that as an argument...

How can you compare someone with mokuton, Kumai, Kation, yin yang release (omyoudon), and six path justus to someone with only six path justus in his arsenal(nagato)?

 

[Azurestealth]

I posted six path technique, not six path of pain.

That's nagato's outer path technique that he created and named after himself.

Nagato can't use Limbo: Hengoku because he is not the same as Obito and Madara (Uchiha/Senju with rinnegan).



so you can't use that as an argument...

How can you compare someone with mokuton, Kumai, Kation, yin yang release (omyoudon), and six path justus to someone with only six path justus in his arsenal(nagato)?

Quite easily actually to someone who can use every single elemental chakra obito can't someone that can also use yin yang release and also nagato had mastered all of the elemental charka natures by the age of 10 as stated by jiraiya. Nagato had never lost a battle until Naruto whereas Obito even with the kyubbi and all of madara's teaching lost to minato.

 

[Azurestealth]

Nagato can revive people [rinne tensei] & he can control dead bodies as well as remove souls. That is what konan meant by having the power to control life & death.

You nor I know what it is, therefore we will go with what we do know which would mean that nagato used one of his paths, anything else is speculation.



Lol What? Armor gets warped just as easily, kamui warps anything in it's vicinity. & No, once obito warps nagato then it's over, trapping nagato in the kamui dimension is just as good as sealing him.



Lol Yes kamui uses chakra, but prove that the black hole is made of chakra. Yes it takes chakra to use, but prove that preta can absorb a black hole. It's the same thing as saying nagato can absorb s/t barrier, not happening.

& While you try to prove the above Ill humor you. First of all summons are absolutely useless in the face of the gedo mazou, not only that but they can't even touch obito as he will remain intangible & bypass everything that nagato has to offer. Obito won't be distracted by petty summons who can't do anything to him, he will be focused on nagato.

Nagato isn't grabbing obito due to intangibility, therefore preta isn't absorbing his chakra, in fact if nagato jumps up to obito & attempts such a thing then obito easily warps him away, much faster than nagato could even think to activate his path.

Disregard the mazou, it's restricted but still not even needed.

You really aren't getting this are you i have provided evidence to back up my opinion in that Nagato used a new jutsu whereas you have no evidence to suggest that he used on of his more known techs to kill the two konoha shinobi. You would know if he had used one of the six paths techs but he didn't i can't stress that enough you have no evidence to suggest he did whereas i do. Next point kamui is made up of chakra it is a ninjutsu to be more specific space time ninjutsu. Therefore it can be absorbed by the preta path as it can absorb all forms of chakra. Seeing as it is made up of chakra it will be absorbed leaving obito vunerable. And you are acting like obito can stay intangible forever his limit is 5 minutes. Nagato can use every single jutsu because of the rinnegan as stated by Jiraiya and Ibiki Morino. I am 100% sure that he can keep attacking obito continuously for 5 minutes as he has very good stamina and extremely large chakra levels as stated by you guessed it Obito. Not to mention that Nagato can use several paths all at once further increasing the likelihood that he can keep obito busy for 5 minutes until he becomes tangible which is when nagato would attack him. Also about the summons it wouldn't matter if they are weak if they can keep pestering obito with weaker techs that force him to remain intagible then it would help Nagato. It doesn't matter if they are weak or not it is all about how you use them. And finally if obito wants to warp away Nagato or attack him then he will need to become tangible once again leaving his vulnerable to attack from Nagato's summons and various path jutsus.

 

[VongolaX]

Are you seriously comparing obito in strength to the Kyubbi. The reason naruto got out of it so quickly was because nagato had already destroyed the village fought everyone in the village and he hadn't entirely recovered from his fight with Jiraiya. Also your saying chibaku tensei doesn't last for up to five minutes is the furthest thing from the truth as you can get. The moon created by the sage was chibaku tensei as he sealed the jubbis body inside it and that has lasted a lot longer than 5 minutes. Nagato's chibaku tensei is obviously no where near the sage's but his can last more than 5 minutes as before naruto went 8 tails it was looking very stable.

Wow, uh no...

Nagato already healed from the Jiraiya fight that happened 2 days ago, and in Deva path he was in full power.

It says it here, god realm in full strength:

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Also, Nagato himself said that the ninetails (8 tailed half power) overpowered Chibakui tensei...

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Yes, I would compare MS Obito to 100% ninetails and so would the fourth hokage.

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Why do you think people believe he is as powerful as madara?

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Even the ninetails believes that Madara is a lot more powerful.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Give me one good reason why.

Chibaku Tensei can't hurt Obito, he'll phase through it. And Rinnegan obito has control over the gedo mazo as well

 

[VongolaX]

Quite easily actually to someone who can use every single elemental chakra obito can't someone that can also use yin yang release and also nagato had mastered all of the elemental charka natures by the age of 10 as stated by jiraiya. Nagato had never lost a battle until Naruto whereas Obito even with the kyubbi and all of madara's teaching lost to minato.

Nagato was said to master the elemental chakra, not yin yang release.

Mastering all the elements is pointless to a sharingan that can just copy those justus blow for blow (Kakashi is a fine example of that).

Nagato was never beaten because he killed fodders....

After he beat Hanzo/Jiraiya, every other person he killed were just a bunch of no name fodders.

While Obito at 16 years old was fighting kage level people, he fought Hiruzen and a bunch of Jounin's through the kyuubi's movement and he fought the yellow flash at the same time.

He was able to control a perfect jinchuuriki/Kage, and rule one of the 5 great nations (villae behind the mist) just like how he ruled Akatsuki with an iron fist behind the scenes.

Honestly, I don't see this match up being taken seriously when Obito clearly has a lot bigger feats than Nagato

 

[Azurestealth]

Wow, uh no...

Nagato already healed from the Jiraiya fight that happened 2 days ago, and in Deva path he was in full power.

It says it here, god realm in full strength:

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Also, Nagato himself said that the ninetails (8 tailed half power) overpowered Chibakui tensei...

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Yes, I would compare MS Obito to 100% ninetails and so would the fourth hokage.

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Why do you think people believe he is as powerful as madara?

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Even the ninetails believes that Madara is a lot more powerful.

First of all i'm not stupid enough to even consider that Nagato is more powerful than Madara of course he isn't and if you look back i have never said he was. Also in reply to your full strength deva path that is true the majority of nagato's chakra was channeling through the deva path but nagato was not at full strength when he was fighting naruto. Nagato is at full strength when he is using the techs simultaneously himself and when he is fully mobile hence the prime nagato used in this thread. And i'm sorry but obito is not on the same level of the kyubbi. The only people who can compete with a bijju and beat them is the sage, madara and the third raikage. MS Obito isn't on the same level of the kyubbi and never was. And if you read your own manga scans properly then you will see that minato said he might become a greater danger than the fox if he didn't kill him. This shows you that minato considered him a great threat to konoha but it doesn't say that he was on the same strength level of the kyubbi. Finally you are right in saying that the 8 tails kyubbi did overpower nagato's chibaku tensei but he was weakened from fighting and destroying konoha. You can't consider that as a fit and healthy nagato

 

[Azurestealth]

Chibaku Tensei can't hurt Obito, he'll phase through it. And Rinnegan obito has control over the gedo mazo as well

First of all the gedo mazo can't be used as stated in conditions of the battle. Also obito can't phase through an ever growing chibaku tensei as he can only be intagible for 5 mins and he can't warp to another location or use a jutsu because he will become tangible and can be hurt by the chibaku tensei. And unless you are suggesting that obito can run the entire length of the chibaku tensei in under 5 minutes that is constantly expanding and getting bigger which he can't do then he has no counter to it.

 

[VongolaX]

First of all i'm not stupid enough to even consider that Nagato is more powerful than Madara of course he isn't and if you look back i have never said he was. Also in reply to your full strength deva path that is true the majority of nagato's chakra was channeling through the deva path but nagato was not at full strength when he was fighting naruto. Nagato is at full strength when he is using the techs simultaneously himself and when he is fully mobile hence the prime nagato used in this thread. And i'm sorry but obito is not on the same level of the kyubbi. The only people who can compete with a bijju and beat them is the sage, madara and the third raikage. MS Obito isn't on the same level of the kyubbi and never was. And if you read your own manga scans properly then you will see that minato said he might become a greater danger than the fox if he didn't kill him. This shows you that minato considered him a great threat to konoha but it doesn't say that he was on the same strength level of the kyubbi. Finally you are right in saying that the 8 tails kyubbi did overpower nagato's chibaku tensei but he was weakened from fighting and destroying konoha. You can't consider that as a fit and healthy nagato

That's why I focus more on Deva path.

You have to remember that Pein uses Preta to nourish his chakra, so after destroying the village he was absorbing chakra to get back into full power.

So the battle between naruto and deva path is as strong as Nagato would get in one body and this "prime condition."

That was full power deva path, he wasn't worn out from the big shrina tensei prior to naruto's arrival any more, that was full power chibakui tensei.

Even prime nagato doesn't have good mobility because that is basically edo tensei nagato or the one that couldn't dodge paper bombs from his feat.

MS Obito is comparable to the ninetails just like Madara was himself, he has Uchiha/Senju blood and powers.

The only people that were said to control so many beast were Madara and Hashirama, and with Obito's senju dna he easily has more chakra than the 3rd or 4th Raikage.

He literally controlled gedo w/5 bijuus and fought in the war for like a day or two with no breaks while overcoming the juubi from taking over his body in a near death state.

Obito easily has chakra that competes with bijuus, that's like Hashirama and Madara level of chakra.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

First of all the gedo mazo can't be used as stated in conditions of the battle. Also obito can't phase through an ever growing chibaku tensei as he can only be intagible for 5 mins and he can't warp to another location or use a jutsu because he will become tangible and can be hurt by the chibaku tensei. And unless you are suggesting that obito can run the entire length of the chibaku tensei in under 5 minutes that is constantly expanding and getting bigger which he can't do then he has no counter to it.

Does Obito have his jinchuriki paths? I don't see any restriction that prohibits the participation of six paths. If so Obito wins with ease. Chibaku Tensei will be destroyed by TBB

 

[Azurestealth]

Does Obito have his jinchuriki paths? I don't see any restriction that prohibits the participation of six paths. If so Obito wins with ease. Chibaku Tensei will be destroyed by TBB

TBB is made of chakra Nagato would just absorb it or use shinra tensei to either reflect it or deflect it away from himself.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

TBB is made of chakra Nagato would just absorb it or use shinra tensei to either reflect it or deflect it away from himself.

Can't Obito warp Nagato to another dimension while Nagato's busy fighting the jinchuriki paths? I don't see why he can't do that