I am not a fan of this contest in the least. If you were using the older versions of photoshop, I might have agreed, but the newest versions make rendering much easier than previous years. I absolutely do not think this idea should be implemented and my stance will not change.
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Gee thanks, but that's your opinion and it still didn't change mine. Yes, even with photoshop tools, some user interface/input is required, but the oldest versions of photoshop required much more skill than earlier versions. They may have been better, but not as easily used. This contest is not a good idea in my opinion.
Also, magic is a non-existent mental fabrication exploited by persons fraudulently passing off optical illusions and sleight of hand tricks as some sort of mystical occurrence, so I fail to see the relevance of that term in this discussion.
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The enhancements Photoshop had over the years didn't just make it easier to come up with the results you could come up with the earlier version, it increased the average quality of renders, this is like saying creating visual basic programs is easier these days because visual studio has improved a lot in the past 5 years, but what happened is that the quality of the programs has increased as the program got easier to use, and the effort remains the same.
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Oh, so the lassoing tool and other enhancers that make producing a higher quality render at a much faster rate and with less effort don't count as making it "easier" to produce a high quality stock than from previous years? You could make high quality stocks 10 years ago, but it was much more difficult.
your comming off as a big cry baby man easy or not easy contests are simply a way for people to practice their skills and see what other people ar capable of and in the end just for fun also a render contest will provide many more quaility renders for sigs and avatar which is why they should open a render contest and render section take all the best renders that are entered and start making a gd render section
all i can say to you is boo freaking hoo its not as hard as it use to be so their is no point anymore
thats like saying its not as hard to cook anymore cuz the kill and package your food for you so why even bother cooking and eating
I think people who don't understand how long it takes to render images should get out of this thread.
Go look on opb and you will see the winners take 4 hours to do this, infact it's a lot more time consuming than SOTW.
Go look on opb and you will see the winners take 4 hours to do this, infact it's a lot more time consuming than SOTW.
No, it's called being consistent. I evaluated the given information, drew from experience and made a decision before giving my opinion. It would be hypocritical to change my stance based solely off your or any other person's opinion. I gave my opinion and it would be unwise for anyone to force their opinion on someone else.
yes and your opinion was:
By this logic we should not host any contests that has any involvement with photoshop. SOTW shouldn't be hosted because on older versions of photoshop it would take a lot more time and effort to create these signatures or the manga colouring contest should be cancelled because back in the day people used to use an old version of photoshop, but now they use manga studio which makes it easier ?
Rendering takes at least two to three hours if you want to win the contest, where not talking about a simple magic wand three minute render that a monkey could do. It has been proven time and time again that this contest is a success on gfx forums and on OPB.
Here is Silvergins entry on OPB - It took him 4 hours to render this image.
4 hours work deserves awards.
So yeah i do think you are being stubborn and childish not to change your opinion as it has been proved that rendering an image takes a lot of time and skill with using the latest photoshop tools and functions, i don't know if its some sort of pride issue and you cannot give in because of that, but clearly rendering an image is a lot of work and effort no matter what version of photoshop you use.
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I just want to point out this isn't some sort of personal attack on you, but I'm just telling you why i disagree with you.
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I agree with what Supernovas has said, also you have to keep in mind that most of us are not rich and have limited resources, some people do not have the latest photoshop version or any of the previous versions, and may or may not be using gimp/paint.net/ or any other image manipulation software, and to be able to use those programs and create a render at the same level of the one shown above clearly shows that there is skill being used in rendering...
I am really starting to doubt your reading comprehension skills.
What part of, "I'm not changing my opinion on this matter" makes you want to continue to change my personal view on the subject matter?
Also, your analogy is incorrect and is the result of taking my words out of context. Are you aware that in order to create a signature for signature of the week, you must select an image or images that relates to the theme and create a render from it? That is just 2 steps. Then you have to select font, coloring, filters/effects/enhancements, and put all of that together in a manner that is presentable and possibly artistic. That is, of course, if you hope to win.
Essentially, you are equating the creation of one element of a signature to the final product. Are you sure that it's my logic that is flawed?
My next point is that you also don't seem to understand the concept of what constitutes a "personal attack," and what the meaning of the word stubborn versus consistent means.
Rather than argue against my opinion, which I have already told you is pointless since I'm not going to change it, you choose to argue against my logic as well as my attitude by stating that I am being childish and stubborn, all of which makes it personal.
What is blatantly apparent to me is that it's impossible for you to accept that someone else has a differing opinion. I can't voice my disagreement without you trying to convince me that I'm wrong. Yeah, 4 hours, big deal. As already mentioned, the thought would be that you have 2 weeks to complete the render; two full weeks; and you're trying to tell me that spending 4 hours out of 14 to make something is worthy of an award? [assuming you can't spare more than 1 hour per day to work on projects/hobbies].
I am not being childish or stubborn in the least. I have stated my opinion which you are free to disregard, but all I asked was that you not try and change my mind, which, you have failed to do. I don't agree with this contest and I will not change that just because you or others feel that I should. It's not right to suggest something and then only allow people to agree with it. Respect my wishes, and I'll respect yours. You can argue for why you want this contest all you want and I won't stop you. I just don't want you wasting your time trying to convince me that I need to agree with a suggestion that I don't agree with.
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As for "not being rich and able to buy photoshop," I seriously want to know what makes you think that the majority of people actually shell out $600 for the program. :| Most youth pirate it. Right or wrong, they still do it, so don't tell me that no one here can gain access to it.
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Why do suggestions always end up like this U_U
OT: I like it, obviously the images must be challenging so not anybody can just try
OT: I like it, obviously the images must be challenging so not anybody can just try
I don't know why there is any argument here. If you can't make a render, believe it isn't challenging enough, won't take part etc. Just don't participate in it.
There could be a test run, if the contest gets enough positive feedback/submissions, we see how it goes.
There could be a test run, if the contest gets enough positive feedback/submissions, we see how it goes.
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I'm more against it just because I feel it's not practical enough for the base itself. I mean sure it works on OPB because people go there for gfx rather than one piece. Out of everyone on Narutobase who participates in the GFX sections, how many actually make renders? From the looks of it, only 2-3 of them actually do that, so does that really warrant a competition?
More people go there for gfx ? Erm no. Hottest threads - only one gfx one there. Popular threads this week oh no gfx threads there. The members on opb are from NB so that doesn't really make sense. In fact opb has a lot less members so I am sure it would work much better here.