[Discussion] Religion

[HashiraMadara]

Maybe.

It's a simple answer, the fact of the matter is that no one knows if this is the only universe. Though without any way to confirm the existence or absence of other universes, I just work under the assumption that there aren't any.

Let me ask you a question: Why do you only feel powerless when finding out that there is more than one universe, despite standing on a tiny blue ball orbiting one of the 300,000,000,000 stars in out galaxy, in only one of the 100,000,000,000 galaxies in the known universe?

I will give you an explanation: 1 universe means it doesn't matter how complex it is but we'll still study and fully understand it one day.

Introducing a whole lot more universes with the mathematically impossibility of traveling in-between means science = 0. What is the point of it? you're studying 1 bubble in an infinite more bubbles with infinite more possibilities that may be in 1 gigantic bubble that is it self part of more infinite bubbles, shits gets real when you see that this theory suggests imploding black holes creates even more universes within theses ones which them selves grow infinite in size because they're not bound by our spacetime _@:
Then I was like

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[HashiraMadara]

Science, by definition, studies the ordinary course of the nature. Things like Creation are not ordinary, but both extraordinary and metaphysic.
Exactly as I said, science is a problem only for those who interpret the Bible literally, none today believes Methuselah really lived that long.

If you apply the Law of Lavoisier in a dimension outside the Physics, you're postulating a dogma as well

XD XD You're sounding like mom

So your faith made you understand that realm of non physical? I envy you

 

[HashiraMadara]

I was also born into the church.

So i rebelled and I went out to discover if it was the truth for me.
; and discovered that christianity always was and always had been the truth. So like the Prodigal Son i returned.

Everyone has the right to follow their own path. But one things for sure: Christ died and was Resurrected and truly Truly most definitely Loves you.

If you dont believe me then remember i have already said that i ALSO believe eveyone is entitled to believe in what they choose to follow. That is called free will.

You're like that lecture that just tells you do what you feels is right.
Instead of telling me what's wrong with or with not studying you're telling me to do what I feel like it XD

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I will give you an explanation: 1 universe means it doesn't matter how complex it is but we'll still study and fully understand it one day.

Introducing a whole lot more universes with the mathematically impossibility of traveling in-between means science = 0. What is the point of it? you're studying 1 bubble in an infinite more bubbles with infinite more possibilities that may be in 1 gigantic bubble that is it self part of more infinite bubbles, shits gets real when you see that this theory suggests imploding black holes creates even more universes within theses ones which them selves grow infinite in size because they're not bound by our spacetime _@:
Then I was like

Starting to wonder what Religion has to do with anything at this point. You don't like Multiverse Theory, that's fine. That has nothing to do with religion.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Don't have one. I live and enjoy my life on a day by day basis. Can't be bothered with any of that.

This simply means you're afraid of commitment to something

 

[Flakez]

This simply means you're afraid of commitment to something

nope, it simply means i don't care.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Starting to wonder what Religion has to do with anything at this point. You don't like Multiverse Theory, that's fine. That has nothing to do with religion.

I started looking for a simpler explanation of our world because science was going to the toilet :|
Tell me if this multiverse has not broken any spirits yet: How many "great" scientific minds are there disccussing about physics and astrophysics now compared to 20 years ago :|... You're only left with the likes of Alan Guth(he's the one who brought this rubbish in the first place) , Stephen Hawking(He's waiting in his death in the wheel chair arguing against multiverse) his friend Roger Penrose who this means nothing to him other than mathematical equations to play with :|

That's why I started studying on my free time to seek some small truths in religions since they're have been here for longer...

 

[synkross]

1st off, i'm really amazed to hear your story and to see you make an effort to find out the right path. i hope u find it.

i am a muslim, ofc that is the case because my parents were muslims and i've grown up in a muslim society. Now just this past year i've started reading the Quran with translation ( as i'm not a native arabic) and trying to understand my religion.

And it all makes sense, it is as clear as day that there is only one True God (Allah) and humans are created for a purpose, and that purpose is to acquire heaven by serving Allah and He has given us a way of life (Quran) to achieve that goal.

Now u may ask me that most of the major religions talk about god and deities, so why do one choose Islam? Because it provides guidance about your complete life, from birth to death and to hereafter . It is there on every step of the way to guide u in every situation.
I can also give you links to some scholars that answer most of the questions of non-muslims. And if you use reason you will also come to the same conclusion. i would also like to quote few verses from Quran about Allah :

"Allah is He Who has created the heavens and the earth and sends down water (rain) from the sky, and thereby brought forth fruits as provision for you; and He has made ships to be of service to you, that they may sail through the sea by His command; and He has made rivers (also) to be of service to you. And He has made the sun and the moon, both constantly pursuing their courses, to be of service to you; And He has made the night and the day, to be of service to you. And He gave you all of that you asked for, and if you count the blessings of Allah, never will you be able to count them. Verily! Man is indeed an extreme wrong-doer, a disbeliever.
And (remember) when Ibrahim said: "O my Lord! Make this city (Makkah) one of peace and security and keep me and my sons from worshipping idols"."O My Lord! They have indeed led astray many among mankind. But whoso follows me, he verily is of me. And whoso disobeys me,-still You are indeed Oft-Forgiving. Most Merciful.""

Friend, the reason i linked the verse is that Allah is Most Merciful and can forgive all sins except for the sin of associating partners with Him, so whatever you may decide to choose. Know that you must avoid this sin at all costs. So, hopefully you may succeed.

 

[HashiraMadara]

nope, it simply means i don't care.

"I don't care" hides fear of caring.
It's like a chick that's blocks love because of the fear of heartbreak and hides her fear with "who cares" and "YOLO" :|

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I started looking for a simpler explanation of our world because science was going to the toilet :|
Tell me if this multiverse has not broken any spirits yet: How many "great" scientific minds are there disccussing about physics and astrophysics now compared to 20 years ago :|... You're only left with the likes of Alan Guth(he's the one who brought this rubbish in the first place) , Stephen Hawking(He's waiting in his death in the wheel chair arguing against multiverse) his friend Roger Penrose who this means nothing to him other than mathematical equations to play with :|

That's why I started studying on my free time to seek some small truths in religions since they're have been here for longer...

There are more options presented that explain the world than "Multiverse" and "God". if you dont like multiverse theory, it doesnt matter. Frankly, it matters even less, because on the chance its right theres no downside to not believing.

 

[Urda]

1st off, i'm really amazed to hear your story and to see you make an effort to find out the right path. i hope u find it.

i am a muslim, ofc that is the case because my parents were muslims and i've grown up in a muslim society. Now just this past year i've started reading the Quran with translation ( as i'm not a native arabic) and trying to understand my religion.

And it all makes sense, it is as clear as day that there is only one True God (Allah) and humans are created for a purpose, and that purpose is to acquire heaven by serving Allah and He has given us a way of life (Quran) to achieve that goal.

Now u may ask me that most of the major religions talk about god and deities, so why do one choose Islam? Because it provides guidance about your complete life, from birth to death and to hereafter . It is there on every step of the way to guide u in every situation.
I can also give you links to some scholars that answer most of the questions of non-muslims. And if you use reason you will also come to the same conclusion. i would also like to quote few verses from Quran about Allah :

"Allah is He Who has created the heavens and the earth and sends down water (rain) from the sky, and thereby brought forth fruits as provision for you; and He has made ships to be of service to you, that they may sail through the sea by His command; and He has made rivers (also) to be of service to you. And He has made the sun and the moon, both constantly pursuing their courses, to be of service to you; And He has made the night and the day, to be of service to you. And He gave you all of that you asked for, and if you count the blessings of Allah, never will you be able to count them. Verily! Man is indeed an extreme wrong-doer, a disbeliever.
And (remember) when Ibrahim said: "O my Lord! Make this city (Makkah) one of peace and security and keep me and my sons from worshipping idols"."O My Lord! They have indeed led astray many among mankind. But whoso follows me, he verily is of me. And whoso disobeys me,-still You are indeed Oft-Forgiving. Most Merciful.""

Friend, the reason i linked the verse is that Allah is Most Merciful and can forgive all sins except for the sin of associating partners with Him, so whatever you may decide to choose. Know that you must avoid this sin at all costs. So, hopefully, you may succeed.

No offense, but I always thought Muslism belief and Christian (Catholic) belief was the same. I don't really understand the beef.

 

[Flakez]

"I don't care" hides fear of caring.
It's like a chick that's blocks love because of the fear of heartbreak and hides her fear with "who cares" and "YOLO" :|

not even close my man, but whatever you say

 

[HashiraMadara]

1st off, i'm really amazed to hear your story and to see you make an effort to find out the right path. i hope u find it.

i am a muslim, ofc that is the case because my parents were muslims and i've grown up in a muslim society. Now just this past year i've started reading the Quran with translation ( as i'm not a native arabic) and trying to understand my religion.

And it all makes sense, it is as clear as day that there is only one True God (Allah) and humans are created for a purpose, and that purpose is to acquire heaven by serving Allah and He has given us a way of life (Quran) to achieve that goal.

Now u may ask me that most of the major religions talk about god and deities, so why do one choose Islam? Because it provides guidance about your complete life, from birth to death and to hereafter . It is there on every step of the way to guide u in every situation.
I can also give you links to some scholars that answer most of the questions of non-muslims. And if you use reason you will also come to the same conclusion. i would also like to quote few verses from Quran about Allah :

"Allah is He Who has created the heavens and the earth and sends down water (rain) from the sky, and thereby brought forth fruits as provision for you; and He has made ships to be of service to you, that they may sail through the sea by His command; and He has made rivers (also) to be of service to you. And He has made the sun and the moon, both constantly pursuing their courses, to be of service to you; And He has made the night and the day, to be of service to you. And He gave you all of that you asked for, and if you count the blessings of Allah, never will you be able to count them. Verily! Man is indeed an extreme wrong-doer, a disbeliever.
And (remember) when Ibrahim said: "O my Lord! Make this city (Makkah) one of peace and security and keep me and my sons from worshipping idols"."O My Lord! They have indeed led astray many among mankind. But whoso follows me, he verily is of me. And whoso disobeys me,-still You are indeed Oft-Forgiving. Most Merciful.""

Friend, the reason i linked the verse is that Allah is Most Merciful and can forgive all sins except for the sin of associating partners with Him, so whatever you may decide to choose. Know that you must avoid this sin at all costs. So, hopefully you may succeed.

In secret I was waiting for a muslim because my high school physics teacher is the one who drove me to Islam =D.

Now my simple questions, which I am sure you have no literally answer to but anyways:

* Is heaven a congestion of matter as well or it is metaphysical?
* Does metaphysical point in directions all or it's plain omnipresent
* Allah created us to worship Him... right? went through all the troubles of creating us for one sake "we worshipping Him" I am not sure if this sounds like a stroking of Ego or what...
* There is judgement day right? where there will be forever lives am I right? Where is sense of fulfilment if from judgement day there on you life will be about worshipping explicitly every minute of everyday :|

 

[HashiraMadara]

There are more options presented that explain the world than "Multiverse" and "God". if you dont like multiverse theory, it doesnt matter. Frankly, it matters even less, because on the chance its right theres no downside to not believing.

It's hypocrisy happening to science today! They're doing exactly that: "mmhhhh I think I'll believe this theory over that one" What the actually f*ck!!!! Where is the dignity if such mathematical wonderlands exist? You have no right to be the next step of belief if you bring such to the table

 

[HashiraMadara]

No offense, but I always thought Muslism belief and Christian (Catholic) belief was the same. I don't really understand the beef.

The beef is Christian believe Jesus is the actually Messiah(God) prophesised by Isaiah in the Old Testament while Muslims believes Jesus is actually one of the long line of great prophets...

AND

Ishmael was the one who got the blessings not Isaac (sons of Abraham)

 

[synkross]

No offense, but I always thought Muslism belief and Christian (Catholic) belief was the same. I don't really understand the beef.

funny u asked this, i'd say the only major difference i know of is that Christians Believe Jesus to be god or to have claimed divinity, while in Islam Jesus is a prophet of Allah, Allah has no son or daughter. And Like i said, Associating partner with Allah is the only sin that will not be forgiven. Quran says,

Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "He is Allah, (the) One."

"Allah the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks)]."

"He begets not, nor was He begotten."

"And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."

 

[TenseiganFTW]

Mhm.
Brother Islam is the truth becuase historically it corrects the bible and scientifically.

If a Book cannot prove other religions wrong and if it doesn't have the power to guide them all (that cannot be the word of God).

Give me 50 min. I'll show proof and ty very much for this thread.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Mhm.
Brother Islam is the truth becuase historically it corrects the bible and scientifically.

If a Book cannot prove other religions wrong and if it doesn't have the power to guide them all (that cannot be the word of God).

Give me 50 min. I'll show proof and ty very much for this thread.

That's what all muslims give me: "Islam is the truth" I just die :| , no explo whatever they just shoot you with here's a way of life, believe it dattebayo!

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

It's hypocrisy happening to science today! They're doing exactly that: "mmhhhh I think I'll believe this theory over that one" What the actually f*ck!!!! Where is the dignity if such mathematical wonderlands exist? You have no right to be the next step of belief if you bring such to the table

I'm not here to defend or attack multiverse theory. I don't know why you think i am.

 

[Callypigia]

I am Mahayana Buddhist.