Religion banned in Texas schools

[RokuNR]

Just saying I'm wrong doesn't make me wrong, and neither makes you right. The fact that you dissed my question or argument just because I'm "completely biased against religious practice in the first place", without giving any arguments as why you're doing that, is simply agaisnt the sake of a good conversation and argument. Please refrain from making such statements without further argument base.

It may be because you're blind by your own religion beliefs or because you just can't stand people who disbelieve religion, but you completly missed the point of my stand: The practice of religion refered by the creator of this thread and later supported by Iseris is, in my opinion wrong and, following with your constitucional rights argument, against public freedom. If no one should be forced to have a religion, why do you start teaching them at 3 years old? Children aren't old enough to understand the true meaning of religion, and so they can't make a truthfull choice. The religion issue should only be brought up when they reach adulthood. The practice of religion should be forbidden or discouraged on such young children. It's preventing them from maybe choosing a better fitting religion for the religion chosen by their country. If you find a better way of brainwashing and manipulate an entire population, please let me know.

@the bolded part: Funny, considering about half of my friends are atheist or agnostic :|

Interesting argument. For a long time, parents have taught their children the ways of their religion or whatever they want their child to believe at an early age to preserve that belief. For me, I don't follow my religion because my parents want me to. I follow my religion because I choose to do so, even amongst the disbelief and what other people say. My parents did not instill religious endurance into me anyways. It's my choice, and I believe that children who are too young to understand religion are often led blindly by what they were taught when they were little, but too often have I seen those same people not even practicing or taking any part in their religion, which is okay because its what they want. =/ They should choose for themselves, since that way is, after all, the most fair in unbaised eyes of this world O_O

I don't want to get into a never-ending argument about religion because, as I said, it will just continue to be never-ending.

People have their opinions. I respect yours, so there's no reason for you to so flagrantly display your discontent toward the idea of religion and insulting the very foundation/concept of any belief system. Especially not on this forum, in which we have people of many backgrounds who would agree or disagree with your opinions and even mine.

 

[Deidara...]

Nah, I'm just being extreme for the sake of arguing.
It's still true what I said. People should be able to choose their religion, and that life decision shouldn't be influenced by anyone. It's also a fact that the human being only get's into a cognitive state where he is able to begin understanding religion at 16, and many don't even get to that stage.

Portugal, btw.

well i won't be able to argue against your claim as i agree with it. xD
so i guess it's safe to assume you speak portugese, or do you speak spanish...or am i just all wrong

anywho this texas law thing is like ten years old it's not current at all

 

[Kiwii]

@the bolded part: Funny, considering about half of my friends are atheist or agnostic :|

Interesting argument. For a long time, parents have taught their children the ways of their religion or whatever they want their child to believe at an early age to preserve that belief. For me, I don't follow my religion because my parents want me to. I follow my religion because I choose to do so, even amongst the disbelief and what other people say. My parents did not instill religious endurance into me anyways. It's my choice, and I believe that children who are too young to understand religion are often led blindly by what they were taught when they were little, but too often have I seen those same people not even practicing or taking any part in their religion, which is okay because its what they want. =/

I don't want to get into a never-ending argument about religion because, as I said, it will just continue to be never-ending.

People have their opinions. I respect yours, so there's no reason for you to so flagrantly display your discontent toward the idea of religion and insulting the very foundation/concept of any belief system. Especially not on this forum, in which we have people of many backgrounds who would agree or disagree with your opinions and even mine.

That's the thing, even though I was harsh on my arguments, they were still mere deductions from facts and my own opinions. People shouldn't be offended by them. That would only mean that they cannot explain their own believes and are probably believing in something wrong. This time I'm not speaking about you, and you're right about the never-ending argument.

 

[RokuNR]

Then why was it posted, then? O_O

 

[Kiwii]

well i won't be able to argue against your claim as i agree with it. xD
so i guess it's safe to assume you speak portugese, or do you speak spanish...or am i just all wrong

anywho this texas law thing is like ten years old it's not current at all

Portugal's official language is portugese. It has nothing to do with spain, with the exception of the East and North border. (Portugal and Spain are kinda rivals xd)

But yes, I also speak spanish.

 

[RokuNR]

That's the thing, even though I was harsh on my arguments, they were still mere deductions from facts and my own opinions. People shouldn't be offended by them. That would only mean that they cannot explain their own believes and are probably believing in something wrong. This time I'm not speaking about you, and you're right about the never-ending argument.

The reason people would be offended by it is because of your [implied] tone towards your standing O_O
It's very harsh IMO =/

 

[Kiwii]

Then why was it posted, then? O_O

Hum? The never ending argument wasn't posted...
What I posted is not, by any chances, a never ending argument, as it is not about the essence of faith, but yes about biological capabilities of the human kind...

 

[RokuNR]

Hum? The never ending argument wasn't posted...
What I posted is not, by any chances, a never ending argument, as it is not about the essence of faith, but yes about biological capabilities of the human kind...

I meant this thread O_O
Iseris stated it's been like this in Texas for years O_O

 

[Kiwii]

The reason people would be offended by it is because of your [implied] tone towards your standing O_O
It's very harsh IMO =/

Well... again, they were mere arguments and opinions... If someone were to call me stupid via net, and backs up his statement with solid arguments that I can't opose, then I would not be offended at all, I'd just have to realize that I'm stupid...

 

[Kiwii]

I meant this thread O_O
Iseris stated it's been like this in Texas for years O_O

Oh... yes, I agree...

 

[Deidara...]

the poster, i am assuming, doesn't live in the u.s.

 

[Amantius]

Wow can they really do that?
when i use to be in High school, people could not talk about their religion, because if one person believe's in one god or many, and the other believes it a diff god, sometimes it cause conflict, which is why school made it against the rules to talk about religon. But i can't believe they ban religion, what about for people umm like, Muslims and stuff, i hear they pray 3 to 5 times a day, and in high school they allowed them pray in a room given to them by, the Bored of education, so i can imagin how much people are going to be angry, i support the not talking about religion thing, but completly banning is ut of line, they should have done alternatives, like, religion clubs after school or something, i think this whole baning thing is stupid, they should get people to protest, because like that guy said, its totally against the whole consitution.

 

[Deidara...]

Wow can they really do that?
when i use to be in High school, people could not talk about their religion, because if one person believe's in one god or many, and the other believes it a diff god, sometimes it cause conflict, which is why school made it against the rules to talk about religon. But i can't believe they ban religion, what about for people umm like, Muslims and stuff, i hear they pray 3 to 5 times a day, and in high school they allowed them pray in a room given to them by, the Bored of education, so i can imagin how much people are going to be angry, i support the not talking about religion thing, but completly banning is ut of line, they should have done alternatives, like, religion clubs after school or something, i think this whole baning thing is stupid, they should get people to protest, because like that guy said, its totally against the whole consitution.

the students may partake in whatever religion related stuff they want. its banned for the teachers and school officials because the board of education
kept getting sued for ridiculous claims concerning religion.

 

[harshit188]

i wish this happens in india too...............

 

[Mino]

about time I say.. not really. learning about other religions is basicly learning about other cultures. even though religion is useless

 

[Caliburn]

well i won't be able to argue against your claim as i agree with it. xD
so i guess it's safe to assume you speak portugese, or do you speak spanish...or am i just all wrong

anywho this texas law thing is like ten years old it's not current at all

really you dont

1 no bibles or religeous text of that type

2 no prayer in class

3 the american pledge of alegance used to be said every day in class
"i pledge alegance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation [size=+2]under God[/size] indavisable with librety and justice for all"that will no longer be said

*points upwards* look at the first quote...you're slow as hell.

And no I don't as the things you said you can hardly call "banning a religion". Be real -_-

1: Why do you need those at all in school, outside historical and religious classes? Or is your teacher going to use the Bible in math class ~_~ "It took Mozes 40 years to reach Isra?l, 100km from Egypt. What was his average speed?" WTH

2: Are you going to tell me that every student was actively saying prayers non stop? No they probably had to learn certain prayers and say them before lunch or something. People probably just mumbled those prayers without even thinking about it and then start eating.

3: That's not even religious, that's American nationalism and patriotism. It has nothing to do with religion at all. No offense to the Americans here, but apparantly it's a very common habit of Americans to use the name of God in the same context as the USA. They have nothing to do with each other.

You call that banning religion? I find it nothing special, not even worth talking about. What I understand under religion is that the school forbids every kind of form of showing your religion in school for instance forbidding that christians can wear a necklace of Jezus on the cross or a Jewish Kippah.
That's worth discussing as they don't have that kind of authority to do.

Maybe it's because I'm from Western Europe, but forbidding people of saying prayers during class is IMO the same as cutting away dead limbs. Or are you going to tell me all the students pray the entire time?

 

[Emperor]

i wish this happens in india too...............

..Why exactly ? 0_0

Indian myself, I rather think the whole richness of India's cultural tradition comes from the very fact that people believe and spend time practicing elaborate festivals and sculptures all in the name of religion. The very upkeep of the religious behaviour in the next generation induces the spirit of true Indian heritage - whether it be Hindu, Muslim, Christian, w/e.

Note, I am not speaking out against agnostics or atheists, I think they can have their own views and are free to them. HOWEVER. In India, the majority of people - say 99.99% are deeply religious, and hence follow religions and prayers before school begins as a form of obtaining divine guidance. For the few 0.01%, they should be free to - and they are - to not participate in the prayer ceremony.

You just stated an opinion without any proof behind it. However, if you give me proper proof that is watertight, I will retract my opinion and will agree with you.

 

[-Ventus-]

Human rights!!!

 

[sabbyxx]

the students have not been barred from their religion so long as obvious laws are not broken.

the state does not permit teachers to encourage, interact, or participate in any kind of religious activity.

Texas Legeslature has recently passed a new law banning religeose acts of students or
teachers at any time on campus this was filed through as of march 31 2010
the law has changed and i also live in texas so i check up on these things

 

[harshit188]

..Why exactly ? 0_0

Indian myself, I rather think the whole richness of India's cultural tradition comes from the very fact that people believe and spend time practicing elaborate festivals and sculptures all in the name of religion. The very upkeep of the religious behaviour in the next generation induces the spirit of true Indian heritage - whether it be Hindu, Muslim, Christian, w/e.

Note, I am not speaking out against agnostics or atheists, I think they can have their own views and are free to them. HOWEVER. In India, the majority of people - say 99.99% are deeply religious, and hence follow religions and prayers before school begins as a form of obtaining divine guidance. For the few 0.01%, they should be free to - and they are - to not participate in the prayer ceremony.

You just stated an opinion without any proof behind it. However, if you give me proper proof that is watertight, I will retract my opinion and will agree with you.

well, answer is simple.........i am an atheist, so that clarifies all