Refrain from 9/11 conspiracies

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I saw yet another thread a few days ago claiming 9/11 was an inside job and it amazes me how many people continue to blindly believe it to be true. It astounds me every time someone posts up the same trivial 'evidence' that has already been put forward a million times. Most of the people that believe in 9/11 conspiracies are clinging to things that they feel they can make a difference with. Considering they use one argument more than any other, I'd like to cleanly state my opinion on it.

Truth is, nothing about bombs going off in the tower makes sense. There are no explosions seen that day, only the planes' impact and the cloud of debris caused by the fall. The point of failure in both towers were the exact locations the planes hit. This means the only possible way explosions could have aided in the collapse would have been if they were planted right where the planes impacted and were set off at the exact same moment as the planes were hitting. Such coordination would be unfathomable and any charges in that area would likely have been damaged and made incapable of going off later.

Why is this important? Simple really. It would mean that the pilots would have had to hit these exact points with very high accuracy to line up the plane's impact with where the bombs are at. Considering they were dealing with the New York skyline, it is virtually impossible to hit a high rise building with that kind of accuracy, let alone twice. Bombs going off at any other point in the building would not have contributed to the building failing like that. It all adds up to the planes' impact and the fire causing all the damage. Considering the massive weight of the above floors, the steel only needed to be weakened, not melted.

People's testimony of secondary explosions is extremely unreliable. Its comparable to UFO sightings, 90% of which are explainable. Considering the abnormality of the event, it would be unfathomable to not expect some people to misinterpret events on that day. Again, even if charges were set, they would have had to be set and set off at the exact point of the planes' impact and couldn't have been damaged by the impact itself. Random explosions at other locations would not have contributed. I would also question any supposed 'expert' advice on a matter that has never once happened before nor is accurately repeatable on any small scale.

The people that believe it was an inside job don't think things through with enough effort to see the truth and simply adopt the positions of other conspirators as their own. I beg of you, don't believe in such a heinous accusation just for the sake of being against our government. If you don't like the USA, why don't you try living in a communist country for a while? Better yet, go live in a 3rd world country and see if you miss the USA at all. Don't chastise our government or act as if calling for a revolution against our government would be a positive thing, as you're not going to do much better than the way the USA is now.
 

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I don't think dismissing the idea of explosives being present has anything to do with it being an inside job. The pilots could have easily been used. Also, I could be wrong but I don't think you're an expert on flying planes to say that it is nearly impossible.

I don't think it was an inside job but I'm just trying to show you that your thread doesn't dismiss anything.

Also, I think being skeptical about the government and the media is a good thing because I'm sure they have a lot of skeletons in their closet. People who do not believe the possibility of conspiracies are worse than the paranoid, in my opinion.
 
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I don't think dismissing the idea of explosives being present has anything to do with it being an inside job. The pilots could have easily been used. Also, I could be wrong but I don't think you're an expert on flying planes to say that it is nearly impossible.

I don't think it was an inside job but I'm just trying to show you that your thread doesn't dismiss anything.

Also, I think being skeptical about the government and the media is a good thing because I'm sure they have a lot of skeletons in their closet. People who do not believe the possibility of conspiracies are worse than the paranoid, in my opinion.
I specifically stated I'd focus on the most used argument. You're free to bring up other reasons it was a conspiracy, I simply targeted the most used argument, there are many others I could have talked bout. Being skeptical of the government is one thing, but believing it directly orchestrated the murdering of 3000 of its own people is outright heinous. My point is what are the goals of 9/11 conspirators? How would proving its a conspiracy help our country?

do you realize how much money certain people got from 911, your naive if you think corruption wasnt involved, theres proof pearlharbor couldve been stopped but it wasnt in order to use it as a reason to join the war, so why not 911?

War is a money maker, people have been making money off war for thousands of years, and they came up with the best money making war ever, the war on terror., because you cant win a war on terror. terror will always exist, and once you "beat" one terror(binladen) you can just use the threat of terror for a reason to continue funding services like homeand security, its a reason to take away rights, and unlike past wars this one will never end, your naive if you think their is more good people than bad in this world.
Of course I'm aware of the possibility of corruption for the sake of money, but I refuse to believe our own government planned and orchestrated it. The only evidence regarding the prevention of Pearl Harbor is that code capable of deciphering a message of a threat could have been received in time. This does not account for countless other codes that could have been involved nor the taking of such a code seriously. You're naïve to believe it was as cut and dry as ABC to prevent it, there was only a possibility of it. Pearl Harbor is different from 9/11 anyway, Hitler was a much more global threat than terrorism. Even if it was fully realized and let happen, it was likely for the greater good of the world. 9/11 was not the same case.

I don't deny that the government having knowledge of the event and letting it happen was possible, only that I don't believe it was orchestrated by them. There is a very large difference in those 2 cases and it seems that 90% of 9/11 conspirators share that view, planted bombs specifically.
 

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Yea I'm just going to live my life believing everything on tv and what the government tells me. If you argue against what THEY say you're called a stupid theorist or whatever.

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I specifically stated I'd focus on the most used argument. You're free to bring up other reasons it was a conspiracy, I simply targeted the most used argument, there are many others I could have talked bout. Being skeptical of the government is one thing, but believing it directly orchestrated the murdering of 3000 of its own people is outright heinous. My point is what are the goals of 9/11 conspirators? How would proving its a conspiracy help our country?



Of course I'm aware of the possibility of corruption for the sake of money, but I refuse to believe our own government planned and orchestrated it. The only evidence regarding the prevention of Pearl Harbor is that code capable of deciphering a message of a threat could have been received in time. This does not account for countless other codes that could have been involved nor the taking of such a code seriously. You're naïve to believe it was as cut and dry as ABC to prevent it, there was only a possibility of it. Pearl Harbor is different from 9/11 anyway, Hitler was a much more global threat than terrorism. Even if it was fully realized and let happen, it was likely for the greater good of the world. 9/11 was not the same case.

I don't deny that the government having knowledge of the event and letting it happen was possible, only that I don't believe it was orchestrated by them. There is a very large difference in those 2 cases and it seems that 90% of 9/11 conspirators share that view, planted bombs specifically.
Your title was Refrain from 9/11 theories and your main reason didn't change anything. I gave my opinion on conspiracy theories.

Also, you refuse to believe it for what? Money runs this world, what's 3000 lives to the leaders? It's not that surprising. Again, I don't believe in it but it wouldn't be a surprise. Like Ethris said, the war on terror is the best money maker ever. I've never heard of Pearl Harbor theories though, lol.

These are the reasons why I think these subjects have no right or wrong:

1. The government can easily devise schemes that are fool proof.

2. Anyone with any knowledge on the truth can easily get killed.

3. The media is truly controlled by the government and any opposing media is considered propaganda.

4. Opponents can easily be dismissed as insane and the masses do believe whatever is on the news.

There was a quote on this but I can't remember it exactly so I'm gonna paraphrase: "The media is biased at best and the internet is filled with baseless theories mixed with truths." The point is we'll never know. The world is a f*cked up place with a lot of corruption and evil, to deny that is plain stupid.
 
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Yea I'm just going to live my life believing everything on tv and what the government tells me. If you argue against what THEY say you're called a stupid theorist or whatever.

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My point was I've been through the gamut of these conspiracies and adamantly believe none of them to be true. I do however, believe the government knowing and not preventing it is possible. Yet I chose to believe the contrary and live my life believing the USA government did not orchestrate the killing of 3000 of its own people.

There's also literally no footage of the first time you've had ***.

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This is what I'm talking about. You are simply adopting the defense of common conspirators. The weight of dozens of floors above the impact zone adds another element to the equation. Simply weakening the steel with prolonged exposure would be enough.

Your title was Refrain from 9/11 theories and your main reason didn't change anything. I gave my opinion on conspiracy theories.

Also, you refuse to believe it for what? Money runs this world, what's 3000 lives to the leaders? It's not that surprising. Again, I don't believe in it but it wouldn't be a surprise. Like Ethris said, the war on terror is the best money maker ever. I've never heard of Pearl Harbor theories though, lol.

These are the reasons why I think these subjects have no right or wrong:

1. The government can easily devise schemes that are fool proof.

2. Anyone with any knowledge on the truth can easily get killed.

3. The media is truly controlled by the government and any opposing media is considered propaganda.

4. Opponents can easily be dismissed as insane and the masses do believe whatever is on the news.

There was a quote on this but I can't remember it exactly so I'm gonna paraphrase: "The media is biased at best and the internet is filled with baseless theories mixed with truths." The point is we'll never know. The world is a f*cked up place with a lot of corruption and evil, to deny that is plain stupid.
You are in the middle and I respect your thoughts. I'll admit again that having late knowledge of the event is possible, but the planning and orchestrating of the 'demolition' is something I don't believe in. Bombs being planted in the building is the chief argument I'm thwarting.
 
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My point was I've been through the gamut of these conspiracies and adamantly believe none of them to be true. I do however, believe the government knowing and not preventing it is possible. Yet I chose to believe the contrary and live my life believing the USA government did not orchestrate the killing of 3000 of its own people.



This is what I'm talking about. You are simply adopting the defense of common conspirators. The weight of dozens of floors above the impact zone adds another element to the equation. Simply weakening the steel with prolonged exposure would be enough.



You are in the middle and I respect your thoughts. I'll admit again that having late knowledge of the event is possible, but the planning and orchestrating of the 'demolition' is something I don't believe in. Bombs being planted in the building is the chief argument I'm thwarting.
Yep, it certainly didn't look like bombs to me. Man, it sucks that we'll never get to know these things. We'll always just be paranoid theorists or sheep.
 
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