[Discussion] Reason why Sanji is not strong as current Zorro right now

[Gintõki1]

Says He wasn't supporting anything and posts an argument which says that Sanji is close to Zoro then posts even more arguments to support that point. At least try to read your own posts and understand what you have been fighting for before posting again. And what do you mean by he didn't do much? He don't have to do much ,just pushing an admiral a few meters back wards alone is a good feat for someone of Zoro's level. Zoro forced Fujitora to quit his attack and defend himself and this guy is here to tell me that he didn't do anything? Lmao, not sure if serious.Lol




Putting Sanji where? Where exactly did I put Sanji in a situation to began with? By any chance are you under the effect of some kind genjutsu or something? You not only posted something that I never said you are even getting mad at him for something that I have never mentioned. Free yourself from that genjutsu and then come back when you are fully recovered.Lol





I have never said that you claimed that Sanji is stronger and I have already told you that the problem b/w you and me lies where you said Sanji is close to Zoro. So I don't get why you are even bring that crap in your first line of this paragraph.

Once again you are keeping repeating same shit again again. Is everything you can do is to is downgrade Zoro to Sanji level and complain about how I am being a fanboy without posting an argument to support Sanji?

Ya lets compare them, Zoro made his opponent look like a mere fodder where as Sanji almost lost against his opponent. And Zoro displayed far better feats than anything Sanji's opponent who happened to be stronger than Sanji displayed which is why Zoro is far stronger than Sanji. It is really that hard for you to understand. Besides, Vergo isn't far away from Pica who was fodderized by Zoro. Vergo might be stronger but I honestly can't see how that guy can even deal with Pica and his golem like Zoro did. At best they are on par with each other and Zoro made one of them look like a fodder so the other will receive the same treatment.

You are the one bringing crap by jumping into a conversation of others, not knowing what it is about and putting Sanji in it.
This alone shows your stupid hate and your fanboying.
Yes obviously he made an admiral put so much effort into blocking a simple attack. Just looool ( Yes because Zoro pushed him so hard with that little attack, even mroe than Sabo) Great logic once again from you!

You said he isn't even near of the level of Zoro and keep saying that Zoro is leagues above him. That is putting him somwhere or are you even blind to read your own posts?

That logic. lmao because Zoro defeated a fodder and Pica and Sanji couldn't defeat Vergo who is above Pica and Doffy who is going to give Luffy a ****ing hard time, is a fact for Zoro to be far stronger than him. Yeah totally makes sense. Zoro being stronger than him isn't new, but using this crap of a logic to push him further than he is, is just laughable.

The only thing that this shows is that Sanji faced way stronger people while Zoro faced people that were not on his level. Get your shit straight before trying to make it look likce facts.

 

[Aømine]

Tbh, ignoring pre ts portrayal and stuff and based purely on current feats excluding asura, Zoro can take on Sanji mid difficulty At most and that is me being a fapboy. I don't have anything against Sanji but I can't push em if there are no feats. Now there is a chance that he shows some Epic feats and moves against BM pirates then surely we'd have to reconsider the gap, if I am to doubt that, the only reason would be that he had faced some difficulty before and there were no feats from his side. But lets just say he couldn't due to some odd reason and he now did, then yeah. If its not impressive then that would simply just mean that characters aren't stagnant and Zoro really is now in a different league.

fix'd it for you.

 

[A v i]

You are the one brining crap by jumping into a conversation of others, not knowing what it is about and putting Sanji in it.
This alone shows your stupid hate and your fanboying.
Yes obviously he made an admiral put so much effort into blocking a simple attack. Your shit is so ridiculous.

I didn't bring crap from nowhere. All of that crap is from your our posts. Besides, don't you think it'll make you look stupid if you claim that you are not supporting anything and post an argument that supports Sanji in the same post? :yeah: I have no idea about that Sanji shit as I have never put that dude in any situation so I am going to ignore that shit as it'll save me a lot of time. And It doesn't matter if he didn't put much to defend from his attack. The fact that he forced him to go defence from offence remains the same.

You said he isn't even near of the level of Zoro and keep saying that Zoro is leagues above him. That is putting him somwhere or are you even blind to read your own posts?

Here, this is what you said.

Putting Sanji in that situation is just showing your stupid wanking for Zoro. He wasn't even a reason for that talk, so shut up if you just going to pull bs out of your ass.

I don't remember putting him in a situation. I did put him a level below Zoro in terms of strength but it is not same as putting him in a situation. I don't even get from where you got that kind of meaning from that statement.

That logic. lmao because Zoro defeated a fodder and Pica and Sanji couldn't defeat Vergo who is above Pica and Doffy who is going to give Luffy a ****ing hard time, is a fact for Zoro to be far stronger than him. Yeah totally makes sense. Zoro being stronger than him isn't new, but using this crap of a logic to push him further than he is, is just laughable.

I have already told you that Zoro has better feats than Vergo. And Pica is on par with Vergo in terms of overall strength so ya if Zoro fodderizes Pica then pretty much same will happen to Vergo who is stronger than Sanji. Hence Zoro is a level above Sanji.

The only thing that this shows is that Sanji faced way stronger people while Zoro faced people that were not on his level. Get your shit straight before trying to make it look likce facts.

I have never denied the fact that Sanji faced stronger opponents than himself. But the thing is one of those opponents is weaker than Zoro hence Sanji is weaker than Zoro.

fix'd it for you.

Fix your head before fixing someone's post. It'll definitely help you feel better. Lol

 

[Aømine]

I didn't bring crap from nowhere. All of that crap is from your our posts. Besides, don't you think it'll make you look stupid if you claim that you are not supporting anything and post an argument that supports Sanji in the same post? :yeah: I have no idea about that Sanji shit as I have never put that dude in any situation so I am going to ignore that shit as it'll save me a lot of time. And It doesn't matter if he didn't put much to defend from his attack. The fact that he forced him to go defence from offence remains the same.




Here, this is what you said.


I don't remember putting him in a situation. I did put him a level below Zoro in terms of strength but it is not same as putting him in a situation. I don't even get from where you got that kind of meaning from that statement.




I have already told you that Zoro has better feats than Vergo. And Pica is on par with Vergo in terms of overall strength so ya if Zoro fodderizes Pica then pretty much same will happen to Vergo who is stronger than Sanji. Hence Zoro is a level above Sanji.






I have never denied the fact that Sanji faced stronger opponents than himself. But the thing is one of those opponents is weaker than Zoro hence Sanji is weaker than Zoro.



Fix your head before fixing someone's post. It'll definitely help you feel better. Lol

lol zoro has better feats as vergo. what exactly? by getting lost in the woods? this is so wrong and fapboying it needs a new level of retardness. defeating monet and pica is better as fighting without a break with smoker, sanji and law.

look at this statement guys. this is so stupid it deserves an retard award. hahaha

 

[A v i]

lol zoro has better feats as vergo. what exactly? by getting lost in the woods? this is so wrong and fapboying it needs a new level of retardness. defeating monet and pica is better as fighting without a break with smoker, sanji and law.

look at this statement guys. this is so stupid it deserves an retard award. hahaha

It seems like you desperately tried to insult me with your usual BS and horribly failed to do so. Since your little brain is filled with so much BS and useless insults you failed to grasp my point. When I said Zoro has better feats than Vergo, I meant that he has more powerful attacks and better striking speed feats than Vergo.

 

[LitzSabr]

fix'd it for you.

I don't have any problem with being called a "fapboy" if that means saying what I have clearly seen and is which is not even controversial. I mean, you can think about Zoro being weaker than even smoker if that helps you feel better while we will keep on witnessing him defeating better people.

 

[Aømine]

It seems like you desperately tried to insult me with your usual BS and horribly failed to do so. Since your little brain is filled with so much BS and useless insults you failed to grasp my point. When I said Zoro has better feats than Vergo, I meant that he has more powerful attacks and better striking speed feats than Vergo.

your own post:

I have already told you that Zoro has better feats than Vergo. And Pica is on par with Vergo in terms of overall strength so ya if Zoro fodderizes Pica then pretty much same will happen to Vergo who is stronger than Sanji. Hence Zoro is a level above Sanji

you said what you did and not he has better attacks. trying to go back with what you've said to not look like a retard, but it's too late for that. since when is pica on par with vergo in terms of overall strength? where did you read that? in the fap zoro book that is made by you? another zoro boy who is trying to make pica being equal to vergo to give that little feat of zoro a push. lol to debate with you is like talking to a braindead rat, but it would be an insult to the rat since it would turn out to have a higher iq as you.
your fanboying is disgusting and a disgrace to all zoro fans who have a brain and know what they are talking about. gtfo


@litzsabr what you have seen with your zoro glasses doesn't count here.

 

[LitzSabr]

@R o r o n o a Z o r o: You seriously wanna try here bro? Xd

 

[Aømine]

@R o r o n o a Z o r o: You seriously wanna try here bro? Xd

yes you better wait for opb to work again, post zoro wank and get low diffed by btr or cutty.
thanks for showing that you are not different from that moron. Lol

 

[A v i]

your own post:

you said what you did and not he has better attacks. trying to go back with what you've said to not look like a retard, but it's too late for that. since when is pica on par with vergo in terms of overall strength? where did you read that? in the fap zoro book that is made by you? another zoro boy who is trying to make pica being equal to vergo to give that little feat of zoro a push. lol to debate with you is like talking to a braindead rat, but it would be an insult to the rat since it would turn out to have a higher iq as you.
your fanboying is disgusting and a disgrace to all zoro fans who have a brain and know what they are talking about. gtfo

Each and every post of you just making you look even more dumber than before. You have been surpassing your own stupidity with your posts. This guy doesn't even know the fact that attacks are also considered as feats of a character and he's here to educate people. Lol

I get them from the manga which was written by Oda and last time I checked that Vergo with his almighty feats can't destroy Pica's golem where as Zoro can effortlessly do that hence Zoro has better feats than him. Vergo has better close range combat skills and haki where as Pica has haki(Below Vergo), a tricky ability along with his large scale attacks which would put him on par with Vergo in terms of over all strength. It's not my problem if your little brain is too busy with useless BS to understand this concept.

yes you better wait for opb to work again, post zoro wank and get low diffed by btr or cutty.
thanks for showing that you are not different from that moron. Lol

Lmao, here I am planning to return to that place after a long time and it seems like I have to deal with your BS even at OPB.Lol

 

[Listz]

U_U Can't ya guys just wait and agree to OG sama? I think the arguments are keep coming back with the same old points, except that Zoro has several additional feats now. Forget the fact that Sanji is out of picture for a moment.

About the 'push back' thing from Zoro vs Fuji, it is but due to the course of nature. Their attack has such impact of momentum that affect their respective 'moment' just as how Newton's Laws work. Fuji sends force in gravity onto Zoro, Zoro fends off through an attack with another force, the amount of acceleration then blocked by Fuji hence there goes the friction.

However, it is undeniable that Zoro's attack has the kind of force that causing Fuji to screech on the ground backward while blocking it. It's a fair share of high momentum. Even Fuji acknowledges it. Here's the whole page:

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Idk but there's nothing wrong to use that as a part of argument in terms of positive points. But rather than saying Zoro is pushing Fuji back, it's more sensible to say Zoro is smart enough to get out of Fuji's gravity range by threatening the said Admiral with a slash, it forces Fuji to stop using his gravitational pressure in order to block Zoro's slash. Zoro is not trying to counter him vertically, Zoro wants to release himself from the gravity.

Plus, about Vergo and Pica, who knows there would be a gap of strength between their own fullbody CoA. The concept is just like how Luffy's Haoshoku haki efficiency range is different than Shanks. There's a reason why Vergo is chosen to be the secret agent, and there's a reason for Pica to be one of top executives.

Sanji's moment is yet to shine, but it will.

 

[A v i]

U_U Can't ya guys just wait and agree to OG sama? I think the arguments are keep coming back with the same old points, except that Zoro has several additional feats now. Forget the fact that Sanji is out of picture for a moment.

About the 'push back' thing from Zoro vs Fuji, it is but due to the course of nature. Their attack has such impact of momentum that affect their respective 'moment' just as how Newton's Laws work. Fuji sends force in gravity onto Zoro, Zoro fends off through an attack with another force, the amount of acceleration then blocked by Fuji hence there goes the friction.

However, it is undeniable that Zoro's attack has the kind of force that causing Fuji to screech on the ground backward while blocking it. It's a fair share of high momentum. Even Fuji acknowledges it. Here's the whole page:

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Idk but there's nothing wrong to use that as a part of argument in terms of positive points. But rather than saying Zoro is pushing Fuji back, it's more sensible to say Zoro is smart enough to get out of Fuji's gravity range by threatening the said Admiral with a slash, it forces Fuji to stop using his gravitational pressure in order to block Zoro's slash. Zoro is not trying to counter him vertically, Zoro wants to release himself from the gravity.

Nice and it seems like thick heads in this section are not smart enough to realize these points.

Plus, about Vergo and Pica, who knows there would be a gap of strength between their own fullbody CoA. The concept is just like how Luffy's Haoshoku haki efficiency range is different than Shanks. There's a reason why Vergo is chosen to be the secret agent, and there's a reason for Pica to be one of top executives.

Sanji's moment is yet to shine, but it will.

None of Zoro supporters ever said that Pica's haki is equal to Vergo's. Not even in other forums I have came across. It's really hard to decide which one of them is actually stronger as I can't see Vergo beaing Pica and vice versa. Pica might be weaker than Vergo but their over all strength is on par with each other.

 

[Aømine]

Each and every post of you just making you look even more dumber than before. You have been surpassing your own stupidity with your posts. This guy doesn't even know the fact that attacks are also considered as feats of a character and he's here to educate people. Lol

I get them from the manga which was written by Oda and last time I checked that Vergo with his almighty feats can't destroy Pica's golem where as Zoro can effortlessly do that hence Zoro has better feats than him. Vergo has better close range combat skills and haki where as Pica has haki(Below Vergo), a tricky ability along with his large scale attacks which would put him on par with Vergo in terms of over all strength. It's not my problem if your little brain is too busy with useless BS to understand this concept.






Lmao, here I am planning to return to that place after a long time and it seems like I have to deal with your BS even at OPB.Lol

oh so you get that from the manga! aha i see! because it is said by oda vergo can't smash the rock golem pica is hiding in. too bad that smashing rock isn't a big feat in op since even pre ts peopel did that easily. so another made up fact that you use as real when nothing is said in the manga.
comes up with the same stupid fanfic with every quote and has nothing to back it up. you should go to a doc and get your brain checked, but i guess there isn't much to check besides zoro fapping and retardness in it.
your parents should be ashamed to gave birth to something dumb as you. you being alive is an insult to humankind. go read some books and educate yourself if you don't even get a simple manga.

yeah please come to opb and get your jimmies rustled with your stupid zoro wank. the only thing is that people there won't take your shit and your stupid debate with fancitions won't last long.
because he can't see vergo beating pica it means it's true. man this moron is the top of all jokes. xD
vergo the guy that was faster than law in his room. has superio haki who can easily defend him fo the attacks of pica, sicne being big doesn't say much in op. has overall better attacks isn't beating a guy that didn't show anything besides being slow, weak haki and half good df usage.
yeah makes sense. zoro that dude that needed 20 chapters to finally find where picas body was and way slower than vergo is, could block easily his weak attacks in golem form. pica can't even catch vergo. and yet this guys talks shit out of his ass and says it's manga facts

 

[Olorin]

Luffy is stronger than Zoro and Zoro is stronger than Sanji, the first Law of OPV

 

[Shanks]

I believe Sanji is underrated a lot by people in this base . Wait till Big Momma's Arc this will be sanji's time to shine since he got lack of panel in dressrossa arc .

 

[A v i]

oh so you get that from the manga! aha i see! because it is said by oda vergo can't smash the rock golem pica is hiding in. too bad that smashing rock isn't a big feat in op since even pre ts peopel did that easily. so another made up fact that you use as real when nothing is said in the manga.

Yet another stupid post that surpasses your previous level of stupidity. It seems like your brain is too small and on top of that you lack comprehension skills to even understand my point. So I guess I should explain every little shit to you in detail so that your little brain can grasp the actual point. When I said that I took them from manga I was referring to Zoro's feats and No, Oda didn't mentioned it but the scale of attacks that were given to Vergo by Oda aren't enough to Smash Pica's golem.

Now I see where your stupidity came from, this guy is blindly following whatever the nonsense OPB people spouts in their threads and posting same retarded arguments here. None of part one supernovas are capable of fighting Pica's golem. There is a difference b/w breaking a small rock and destroying a building. No wonder your little brain is not smart enough to understand the difference b/w those two points.

comes up with the same stupid fanfic with every quote and has nothing to back it up. you should go to a doc and get your brain checked, but i guess there isn't much to check besides zoro fapping and retardness in it.
your parents should be ashamed to gave birth to something dumb as you. you being alive is an insult to humankind. go read some books and educate yourself if you don't even get a simple manga.

It seems like you are suffering from some sort of mental breakdown. So I'd suggest you to take some rest and come back when you are fully recovered. Just because you can't win an argument against me doesn't mean end of the world you know. Lol

yeah please come to opb and get your jimmies rustled with your stupid zoro wank. the only thing is that people there won't take your shit and your stupid debate with fancitions won't last long.

If all they can do is to post shitty arguments like you have been doing then I have nothing to worry about. I have dealt with even more stupid as well as stubborn people at NDS and VS section of NB so nothing offered by OPB can surprise me.

because he can't see vergo beating pica it means it's true. man this moron is the top of all jokes. xD

Once again I have to explain every little thing in detail to your little brain. When I said that I can't see him beating Pica it means that the feats he displayed aren't enough to force Pica out of his golem like Zoro did. If he can't force him out then he can't beat that guy. It's that simple.

vergo the guy that was faster than law in his room. has superio haki who can easily defend him fo the attacks of pica, sicne being big doesn't say much in op. has overall better attacks isn't beating a guy that didn't show anything besides being slow, weak haki and half good df usage.

Law never had a decent movement speed feat to say that he's impressive because he's faster than Law. What made his speed impressive is the fact that he kept up with a speed star like Sanji and kicked Law the very movement Law's heart teleported to his hand. You don't even know how to properly frame an argument and you are here to wank another bunk of brain dead people like you and act as if you actually have an argument.Lol Law beat the living hell out of him the very movement he got his heart back which proves that Law's striking speed and reactions are above Vergo.

Pica has notable speed feats inside rock. It's nearly impossible to track him down when he's inside golem. Besides , are you even reading my posts? I have clearly said that Vergo is more skilled fighter than Pica and has better haki. Why the hell are you even repeating this shit here?

I have never implied Pica can beat Vergo, I said Vergo has noway to beat Pica and Pica can stand up to Vergo with his large scale attacks which is true. Vergo out classes Pica with skills where as Pica out classes Vergo with power which is why I said their overall strength is on par with each other.

yeah makes sense. zoro that dude that needed 20 chapters to finally find where picas body was and way slower than vergo is, could block easily his weak attacks in golem form. pica can't even catch vergo. and yet this guys talks shit out of his ass and says it's manga facts

The thing is there is nothing that suggests that Vergo can find him faster than Zoro. Zoro's striking speed is better than that of Law the guy who managed to beat the living hell out of Vergo. So if Law can deal with his speed then so can Zoro. I know that Pica can't catch Vergo. I am smart enough to figure out that on my own. Please don't try to drag me to you level. Vergo can't beat Pica just by avoiding Pica's attacks forever. He have to force him out of Golem which is near impossible with his level of DC and striking speed.

 

[OG sama]

I guess most people here are downplayers then since they would agree with my statement. Exactly, he has plot covering him up. You just proved my point. It's quite obvious when you have Luffy, Law, Sanji & Smoker get a beating or simply outclassed by Doflamingo but not Zoro. Yes, Zoro will get pushed to his limit at some point, I don't think no one here is denying that. How does this make me a downplayer again?

My bad bro, sometimes I just get a little upset with haters like you get a little upset at wankers. Not saying your a hater, you just want Zoro to quit looking invincible and I understand that. And no your not a downplayer, I just jumped to conclusions my bad. Sadly whenever Zoro pulls out of feat things always get like this sorry man. No doubt he will be brought down to earth by a Yonko FM and in Wano, whomever that may be. Would be funny if he had to go up against Bobbins and got his shit wrecked. Although that's refreshing, I can see people making fun of him because of it. But Zoro definitely needs a challenge his fights have been too predictable. But its being he made that promise to never lose again.

 

[Mugiwara kun]

Those who think that Sanji is anywhere near Luffy and Zoro seriously need a re read of whole post TS. From what we have seen so far Sanji is clearly far behind Zoro as well as Luffy.



Simply spouting nonsense won't cut it out. Can you provide a decent argument as to why Sanji is on the same level as Zoro?

no one is saying they are on three same lvl, just that they aren't far apart. We're yet to see Sanji go all out which could happen soon against BM 's crew So just hold your horses. The gap in strength isn't that far apart

I will also like to ask all You Zoro wankers a question. Do You think Zoro could have cut Pica cleanly in half around the torso if he hadn't been thrown at high speed by that Admiral something guy?

The way I see it,if Zoro had done So by himself, I would have called it a feat and I want to correct something,that Pica golum was city size. Sure it was huge but definitely not city size. Y'all need to read the chapter again

 

[A v i]

no one is saying they are on three same lvl, just that they aren't far apart. We're yet to see Sanji go all out which could happen soon against BM 's crew So just hold your horses. The gap in strength isn't that far apart.

The fact that they belong to two different levels proves that they are far a part from each other. Two characters can't be in two different levels when they are close in terms of strength.

I will also like to ask all You Zoro wankers a question. Do You think Zoro could have cut Pica cleanly in half around the torso if he hadn't been thrown at high speed by that Admiral something guy?

The way I see it,if Zoro had done So by himself, I would have called it a feat and I want to correct something,that Pica golum was city size. Sure it was huge but definitely not city size. Y'all need to read the chapter again

It has nothing to do with flying slash. Besides Zoro cut him vertically & He totally stopped moving at that time and that cut was as big as the first attack of Zoro which proves that admiral bowling or whatever it is has nothing to do with Zoro's feat.

Stop using the word wanker. You don't even know the meaning of it.

How and where exactly did I wank Zoro again?

Did I said he's admiral level? No.
Did I said that he's stronger than Luffy? No.
Did I said Pica is stronger than Vergo because he's Zoro's opponent? No.
Did I said that Pica's haki is stronger than Vergo's? Never.
Did I said he's stronger than Law? No.

Everything I have been saying is that he's stronger those that lacks feats on Zoro's level are weaker than him and you consider me a wanker just for that? Great..Lol

 

[LitzSabr]

My bad bro, sometimes I just get a little upset with haters like you get a little upset at wankers. Not saying your a hater, you just want Zoro to quit looking invincible and I understand that. And no your not a downplayer, I just jumped to conclusions my bad. Sadly whenever Zoro pulls out of feat things always get like this sorry man. No doubt he will be brought down to earth by a Yonko FM and in Wano, whomever that may be. Would be funny if he had to go up against Bobbins and got his shit wrecked. Although that's refreshing, I can see people making fun of him because of it. But Zoro definitely needs a challenge his fights have been too predictable. But its being he made that promise to never lose again.

That would most likely happen in wano. I can see him getting overwhelmed against some strong samurai. Even though I like the hype, do people really think that we want every one of his fights like this? Definitely not. That would really be boring and all this hype and buildup should be used up to hype his opponent.