[Discussion] Reason why Sanji is not strong as current Zorro right now

[Venomous Cobra]

If you actually read his post Bogard listed more than just pushing Fujitora backwards and you guys are riding on that single point because you are incapable of countering other arguments with manga back. Helll you guys can't even counter that pushed back argument with a decent argument. All you guys have been doing is to complain about how pushing him back isn't an accomplishment. He's an admiral for gods sake, an admiral is capable of trolling someone like Joker without even lifting a finger and you think forcing someone like Fujitora to drop his gravity and defend himself against his attack isn't an accomplishment for Zoro? That's a bad joke.

You're not suppose to take someone that's usuing a silly argument like that seriously and actually I did counter whatever shit he was writing ,look back at the pages(it isn't that much of an argument to be honest )

 

[A v i]

You're really the one of the biggest retards in this section. Learn to be a Zoro fan and still have some reality. (T Bogard is what you should be)

Someone that can't even post an argument to support his point lectures me above being a fan.Lol

First of all i was talking with him about Fuji and Zoro and not Sanji. Putting a stupid comment in that has nothing to do with it. GOOD JOB!

When did i say Sanji is on par with Zoro? Get new eyes. I posted in this thread that Zoro is the stronger one and only said he is not that far from him as a wanker like you trying to make it look like.



So who is the retard here that wanks? Lol

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I thought you are incapable of reading manga properly but in addition to that it seems like you have a habit of posting comments without even knowing what others are talking about. Bogard said Zoro is on different level and the other guy asked him why? Then Bogard listed Zoro's accomplishments then comes our hero(you) to support the other Sanji supporter. So it means that your core objective is to support the point is Sanji being close to Zoro. Hell even your first post in this thread says that. And now you are trying to bypass that point just to look cool? Lol Great it really made look like a ......Cool guy.


@Bold: That's where problem starts, Sanji is far weaker from what we have seen. Saying otherwise without even posting an argument would only make you worse wanker and a better retard than I am.

 

[Hexuze]

A wanker is someone who spouts nonsense with no argument. I have been posting arguments where as everything you guys have been doing is crying about how I am being a fanboy without actually posting an argument. If you take a good look at my prv posts I have been asking you guys to post an argument. I don't care if you are a fanboy,the word fanboy is just a lame excuses used by people with no real argument such as your self. What I want from you is a decent argument and you guys are incapable of providing one yet you continue to spout irrelevant nonsense just to hold your ground here.

Lol someone got salty. You keep saying spout, spout what exactly? I don't think anyone here is crying lmao. The only reason why I even replied to one of your comments in this thread was because you called someone else a wanker just because he believes that Fujitora wasn't pushed back by Zoro's attack.

It's a lot easier to critique Sanji than Zoro because since the TS, we've seen him lose fights more than Zoro. Heck, the same thing applies to Law, Smoker & Luffy. Like I said before, Sanji/Smoker/Law/Luffy all got either outclassed or defeated by Doflamingo to some extent and not Zoro. This is something that no one can deny.

 

[Bogard]

Lol someone got salty. You keep saying spout, spout what exactly? I don't think anyone here is crying lmao. The only reason why I even replied to one of your comments in this thread was because you called someone else a wanker just because he believes that Fujitora wasn't pushed back by Zoro's attack.

It's a lot easier to critique Sanji than Zoro because since the TS, we've seen him lose fights more than Zoro. Heck, the same thing applies to Law, Smoker & Luffy. Like I said before, Sanji/Smoker/Law/Luffy all got either outclassed or defeated by Doflamingo to some extent and not Zoro. This is something that no one can deny.

Law was coming out of a duo(Fuji/Doffy) before getting defeated by Doffy the first time and the second time he is in a even worse state, so it doesn't count much. Luffy as well only spent the time worrying about Bellamy. He never got the chance to go all out on Doffy, so it doesn't count as well

Also, Win/Defeat isn't the only way to evaluate someone's level. You can actually see feats in his fights and at this point, Zoro is miles apart. One is pulling off City Busting attacks casually, when another doesn't even have town busting feats. One can break through FBH users when a base kick can crack the other's leg, and so on and so on. Sanji needs to catch-up by doing whatever he is doing now with Big Mom

 

[A v i]

You're not suppose to take someone that's usuing a silly argument like that seriously and actually I did counter whatever shit he was writing ,look back at the pages(it isn't that much of an argument to be honest )

I have already explained how it wasn't a silly reason. Law couldn't even lift a finger while Fujitora was holding him with his gravity. Ya granted he was injured during his battle with Fujitora and Joker but they weren't serious injuries given he has enough strength to escape and fight Joker afterwards. And if you compare the gravity that was used against Zoro it was on a whole new level from what he used against Law. The hole on ground clearly proves it. Zoro was being crushed by Fujitora's gravity yet not only did he managed to move in that situation ,he even sent a flying slash against gravity which forced Fujitora to defend himself by dropping his attack on Zoro. That's definitely a good accomplishment.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

I have already explained how it wasn't a silly reason. Law couldn't even lift a finger while Fujitora was holding him with his gravity. Ya granted he was injured during his battle with Fujitora and Joker but they weren't serious injuries given he has enough strength to escape and fight Joker afterwards. And if you compare the gravity that was used against Zoro it was on a whole new level from what he used against Law. The hole on ground clearly proves it. Zoro was being crushed by Fujitora's gravity yet not only did he managed to move in that situation ,he even sent a flying slash against gravity which forced Fujitora to defend himself by dropping his attack on Zoro. That's definitely a good accomplishment.

Well let's not forget that both doffy and fuji were guarding not only fuji besides law actually shambled himself with a rock(he only stayed there to probably ask doffy about the reason he hasn't lost his title)

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But I do agree the gravity was much worse in zoro's case but anyway zoro>law in physical strength

 

[A v i]

Lol someone got salty. You keep saying spout, spout what exactly? I don't think anyone here is crying lmao. The only reason why I even replied to one of your comments in this thread was because you called someone else a wanker just because he believes that Fujitora wasn't pushed back by Zoro's attack.

We both know that it happened in manga. It doesn't matter if it's just a bit. Zoro did pushed him backwards and that dude tried to deny that which is why I called him a wanker. If you consider me as a wanker then he's a far worse one than I am.

It's a lot easier to critique Sanji than Zoro because since the TS, we've seen him lose fights more than Zoro. Heck, the same thing applies to Law, Smoker & Luffy. Like I said before, Sanji/Smoker/Law/Luffy all got either outclassed or defeated by Doflamingo to some extent and not Zoro. This is something that no one can deny.

You can look back at any of my posts , I have never tried to downgrade Sanji. I have never denied any of Sanji's accomplishments. Only thing I have been doing is trying to explain how Zoro's movements outclasses that of Sanji's where as all Sanji fans have been doing is trying to downgrade Zoro so that they can drag him to Sanji's level. I am asking them to explain Sanji's accomplishments instead of trying to downgrade Zoro.

Well let's not forget that both doffy and fuji were guarding not only fuji besides law actually shambled himself with a rock(he only stayed there to probably ask doffy about the reason he hasn't lost his title)

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But I do agree the gravity was much worse in zoro's case but anyway zoro>law in physical strength

He only did it because Fujitora was distracted by surrounding conditions, you can see that gravity was reduced in this page. [

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] That's why Law managed to create room then Fujitora realized that Law is trying escape and strengthened gravity but it was too late as Law already created room. Law has COA which would aid his physical capabilities yet he failed against Fujitora where as Zorocountered it without even using haki which is why his feat is impressive.

 

[Gintõki1]

Someone that can't even post an argument to support his point lectures me above being a fan.Lol

I thought you are incapable of reading manga properly but in addition to that it seems like you have a habit of posting comments without even knowing what others are talking about. Bogard said Zoro is on different level and the other guy asked him why? Then Bogard listed Zoro's accomplishments then comes our hero(you) to support the other Sanji supporter. So it means that your core objective is to support the point is Sanji being close to Zoro. Hell even your first post in this thread says that. And now you are trying to bypass that point just to look cool? Lol Great it really made look like a ......Cool guy.


@Bold: That's where problem starts, Sanji is far weaker from what we have seen. Saying otherwise without even posting an argument would only make you worse wanker and a better retard than I am.

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Another stupid post from the salty wanker. Thinks his wanking points are facts. Thank you for the laugh!

And again "mister i'm too dumb to read a post", what had Sanji to do with my posts between T Bogard? What he talked with Cobra was something different and had nothing to do with me and him. Sanji must have ruslted your jimmies so hard that you try to bring him in everything, when it has nothing in the slightest to do with it.

Sanji is not far from Zoro, only a biased moron like you can't except it. Zoro got a good feat finally and is stronger than him, but where do you get the fanfiction from being far stronger? Are you Oda or just a stupid fanboy? I guess that is easy to find out.
Sanji fought people that were stronger than him while Zoro fought people that were weaker than him, which couldn't even push him to high diff. Every moron that reads OP and understands Odas writing knows that, but you not getting it is no surprise.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

We both know that it happened in manga. It doesn't matter if it's just a bit. Zoro did pushed him backwards and that dude tried to deny that which is why I called him a wanker. If you consider me as a wanker then he's a far worse one than I am.




You can look back at any of my posts , I have never tried to downgrade Sanji. I have never denied any of Sanji's accomplishments. Only thing I have been doing is trying to explain how Zoro's movements outclasses that of Sanji's where as all Sanji fans have been doing is trying to downgrade Zoro so that they can drag him to Sanji's level. I am asking them to explain Sanji's accomplishments instead of trying to downgrade Zoro.




He only did it because Fujitora was distracted by surrounding conditions, you can see that gravity was reduced in this page. [

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] That's why Law managed to create room then Fujitora realized that Law is trying escape and strengthened gravity but it was too late as Law already created room. Law has COA which would aid his physical capabilities yet he failed against Fujitora where as Zorocountered it without even using haki which is why his feat is impressive.

You can't tell if either one of them did ,can you?

 

[Hexuze]

Law was coming out of a duo(Fuji/Doffy) before getting defeated by Doffy the first time and the second time he is in a even worse state, so it doesn't count much. Luffy as well only spent the time worrying about Bellamy. He never got the chance to go all out on Doffy, so it doesn't count as well

Also, Win/Defeat isn't the only way to evaluate someone's level. You can actually see feats in his fights and at this point, Zoro is miles apart. One is pulling off City Busting attacks casually, when another doesn't even have town busting feats. One can break through FBH users when a base kick can crack the other's leg, and so on and so on. Sanji needs to catch-up by doing whatever he is doing now with Big Mom

He's still getting outclassed and even if he didn't had to deal with Fuji/Doffy, he would of still gotten defeated by Doffy. As for Luffy. we seen him get outclassed before the whole Bellamy stuff. So yes, both of those scenarios still count.

Yes, you're right but it's still a factor that's notable. It's a problem to critique a characters weaknesses fully when we don't have any loses from him or moments where he gets stomped on or utterly outclassed. Sanji isn't known for his DC as much as Zoro is, I'm not sure why you mentioned that. Ofc Sanji needs to show more impressive CoA feats., maybe fighting a logia user next wouldn't be a bad idea. That's where he's mainly lacking.

 

[A v i]

Another stupid post from the salty wanker. Thinks his wanking points are facts. Thank you for the laugh!

And again "mister i'm too dumb to read a post", what had Sanji to do with my posts between T Bogard? What he talked with Cobra was something different and had nothing to do with me and him. Sanji must have ruslted your jimmies so hard that you try to bring him in everything, when it has nothing in the slightest to do with it.

Weren't you supporting that guy and opposing Bogard coz you want Sanji to be closer to Zoro? No matter what you post or what you discuss, your core objective remains same. So lets be frank and real here. And stop trying to look cool. It'll only make you look more dumber

Sanji is not far from Zoro, only a biased moron like you can't except it. Zoro got a good feat finally and is stronger than him, but where do you get the fanfiction from being far stronger? Are you Oda or just a stupid fanboy? I guess that is easy to find out.Sanji fought people that were stronger than him while Zoro fought people that were weaker than him, which couldn't even push him to high diff. Every moron that reads OP and understands Odas writing knows that, but you not getting it is no surprise.

I don''t need fanfics when I have feats from manga that supports my argument. If you actually try to read my posts I have never mentioned anything about Sanji's battles to say that he's weaker than Zoro. I openly admit that Zoro gets stompped by Joker but he beats Vergo who is portrayed to be above Sanji but I didn't even use that as an argument until now. I have been using Zoro's feats to say that he's stronger than Sanji and asking you to provide Sanji's feats or at least any hype from anyone which puts him near Zoro. You not only failed to provide such an argument, all you have been doing from the beginning is trying to downgrade Zoro so that you can drag him to Sanji's level and complaining about how I am being a fanboy when you are a fanboy yourself.

You can't tell if either one of them did ,can you?

Can you be more specific? I am sorry but I don't get what you are trying to say here. If you are saying that I don't know whether Zoro used against Fujitora or not then my answer would be Yes, I know that Zoro didn't use haki.

 

[LitzSabr]

Tbh, ignoring pre ts portrayal and stuff and based purely on current feats excluding asura, Zoro can take on Sanji mid difficulty At most and that is me being generous. I don't have anything against Sanji but I can't push em if there are no feats. Now there is a chance that he shows some Epic feats and moves against BM pirates then surely we'd have to reconsider the gap, if I am to doubt that, the only reason would be that he had faced some difficulty before and there were no feats from his side. But lets just say he couldn't due to some odd reason and he now did, then yeah. If its not impressive then that would simply just mean that characters aren't stagnant and Zoro really is now in a different league.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Weren't you supporting that guy and opposing Bogard coz you want Sanji to be closer to Zoro? No matter what you post or what you discuss, your core objective remains same. So lets be frank and real here. And stop trying to look cool. It'll only make you look more dumber



I don''t need fanfics when I have feats from manga that supports my argument. If you actually try to read my posts I have never mentioned anything about Sanji's battles to say that he's weaker than Zoro. I openly admit that Zoro gets stompped by Joker but he beats Vergo who is portrayed to be above Sanji but I didn't even use that as an argument until now. I have been using Zoro's feats to say that he's stronger than Sanji and asking you to provide Sanji's feats or at least any hype from anyone which puts him near Zoro. You not only failed to provide such an argument, all you have been doing from the beginning is trying to downgrade Zoro so that you can drag him to Sanji's level and complaining about how I am being a fanboy when you are a fanboy yourself.



Can you be more specific? I am sorry but I don't get what you are trying to say here. If you are saying that I don't know whether Zoro used against Fujitora or not then my answer would be Yes, I know that Zoro didn't use haki.

how are you so sure that law used it to make his body resist the gravity ?

 

[A v i]

Tbh, ignoring pre ts portrayal and stuff and based purely on current feats excluding asura, Zoro can take on Sanji mid difficulty At most and that is me being generous. I don't have anything against Sanji but I can't push em if there are no feats. Now there is a chance that he shows some Epic feats and moves against BM pirates then surely we'd have to reconsider the gap, if I am to doubt that, the only reason would be that he had faced some difficulty before and there were no feats from his side. But lets just say he couldn't due to some odd reason and he now did, then yeah. If its not impressive then that would simply just mean that characters aren't stagnant and Zoro really is now in a different league.

Exactly, I don't get why it's so hard for them to accept that Sanji lacks feats to put him on the same level as rest of M3. I personally have no problem with Sanji being close to Zoro. If Sanji displays better feats then everyone including Zoro fans are ready to admit that he's on par with the rest of M3.

how are you so sure that law used it to make his body resist the gravity ?

I didn't said he used it. I said he should be able to use it to counter Fujitora or at least managed to move his body to a degree where he can use room but he didn't which hints that he might have failed even if he did use it.

 

[Red Flag X Drake]

Of course Zoro is stronger. However it was a mid-high diff fight with Pica. I am still unsure if Zoro could beat Vergo

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Exactly, I don't get why it's so hard for them to accept that Sanji lacks feats to put him on the same level as rest of M3. I personally have no problem with Sanji being close to Zoro. If Sanji displays better feats then everyone including Zoro fans are ready to admit that he's on par with the rest of M3.



I didn't said he used it. I said he should be able to use it to counter Fujitora or at least managed to move his body to a degree where he can use room but he didn't which hints that he might have failed even if he did use it.

I see an assumption ,anyway i got pretty tried of this ,and honestly this argument is going no where since we went off-topic so Iamma just respect your opinion and just have mine For now

 

[A v i]

I see an assumption ,anyway i got pretty tried of this ,and honestly this argument is going no where since we went off-topic so Iamma just respect your opinion and just have mine For now

Alright , lets agree to disagree then. It seems like you are someone that can be reasoned with. You are better than those that spout nonsense without even reading what others have to say. So, I'll respect your wish and drop this argument.

 

[Gintõki1]

Weren't you supporting that guy and opposing Bogard coz you want Sanji to be closer to Zoro? No matter what you post or what you discuss, your core objective remains same. So lets be frank and real here. And stop trying to look cool. It'll only make you look more dumber



I don''t need fanfics when I have feats from manga that supports my argument. If you actually try to read my posts I have never mentioned anything about Sanji's battles to say that he's weaker than Zoro. I openly admit that Zoro gets stompped by Joker but he beats Vergo who is portrayed to be above Sanji but I didn't even use that as an argument until now. I have been using Zoro's feats to say that he's stronger than Sanji and asking you to provide Sanji's feats or at least any hype from anyone which puts him near Zoro. You not only failed to provide such an argument, all you have been doing from the beginning is trying to downgrade Zoro so that you can drag him to Sanji's level and complaining about how I am being a fanboy when you are a fanboy yourself.



Can you be more specific? I am sorry but I don't get what you are trying to say here. If you are saying that I don't know whether Zoro used against Fujitora or not then my answer would be Yes, I know that Zoro didn't use haki.

I wasn't suporting anything. Once again learn to read. He used that as a feat while Fuji didn't even do much to block it.
Putting Sanji in that situation is just showing your stupid wanking for Zoro. He wasn't even a reason for that talk, so shut up if you just going to pull bs out of your ass.

So you where pulling out facts that Zoro is stronger than Sanji. Did i say that he isn't? What are you smoking actually? I said he is stronger than Sanji, but not leagues above him like you trying to press out with the feats Oda gave us. This thing is all your fanboying and nothing close to the truth. Facing Vergo who is above the dude Zoro defeated mid diff and Doffy who acknowledged the strong kick of Sanji and the other fodders Zoro beat (Monet) is not a fact for Zoro being so much stronger than him. The only thing you come up with is biased opinions and nothing that is related to true facts from Oda.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Alright , lets agree to disagree then. It seems like you are someone that can be reasoned with. You are better than those that spout nonsense without even reading what others have to say. So, I'll respect your wish and drop this argument.

Agreed........

 

[A v i]

I wasn't suporting anything. Once again learn to read. He used that as a feat while Fuji didn't even do much to block it.

Says He wasn't supporting anything and posts an argument which says that Sanji is close to Zoro then posts even more arguments to support that point. At least try to read your own posts and understand what you have been fighting for before posting again. And what do you mean by he didn't do much? He don't have to do much ,just pushing an admiral a few meters back wards alone is a good feat for someone of Zoro's level. Zoro forced Fujitora to quit his attack and defend himself and this guy is here to tell me that he didn't do anything? Lmao, not sure if serious.Lol

Putting Sanji in that situation is just showing your stupid wanking for Zoro. He wasn't even a reason for that talk, so shut up if you just going to pull bs out of your ass.

Putting Sanji where? Where exactly did I put Sanji in a situation to began with? By any chance are you under the effect of some kind genjutsu or something? You not only posted something that I never said you are even getting mad at him for something that I have never mentioned. Free yourself from that genjutsu and then come back when you are fully recovered.Lol

So you where pulling out facts that Zoro is stronger than Sanji. Did i say that he isn't? What are you smoking actually? I said he is stronger than Sanji, but not leagues above him like you trying to press out with the feats Oda gave us. This thing is all your fanboying and nothing close to the truth. Facing Vergo who is above the dude Zoro defeated mid diff and Doffy who acknowledged the strong kick of Sanji and the other fodders Zoro beat (Monet) is not a fact for Zoro being so much stronger than him. The only thing you come up with is biased opinions and nothing that is related to true facts from Oda.

I have never said that you claimed that Sanji is stronger and I have already told you that the problem b/w you and me lies where you said Sanji is close to Zoro. So I don't get why you are even bring that crap in your first line of this paragraph.

Once again you are keeping repeating same shit again again. Is everything you can do is to is downgrade Zoro to Sanji level and complain about how I am being a fanboy without posting an argument to support Sanji?

Ya lets compare them, Zoro made his opponent look like a mere fodder where as Sanji almost lost against his opponent. And Zoro displayed far better feats than anything Sanji's opponent who happened to be stronger than Sanji displayed which is why Zoro is far stronger than Sanji. Is it really that hard for you to understand? Besides, Vergo isn't far away from Pica who was fodderized by Zoro. Vergo might be stronger but I honestly can't see how that guy can even deal with Pica and his golem like Zoro did. At best they are on par with each other and Zoro made one of them look like a fodder so the other will receive the same treatment.