rasenshuriken VS kirin

[ieyd218]

This is easy kirin sasukes smart enough to form the cloud at the right time in battle and while naruto throws it he can move and strike with kirin, but leave to naruto to find a way.

 

[masterylucain]

I think its fairly obvious that in a test of speed, kirin would win, and in a test of power kirin would win. If the two attack collided together, kirin would probably win. This seems to be supplemented by the fact that it uses the vast energy from nature and is supplemented by the user's own chakra; a very potent combination. However, kirin is not as simply produced the way naruto's rasenshuriken is and requires a level of time commitment to manufacture if a storm is not already present. Additionally, considering the aftermath of each technique, itachi has already shown us that a strong ninja can withstand the attack and continue fighting, even the the attack itself is impossible to avoid. On the other hand, naruto's technique can be avoided, destroyed, or cancelled, however, if the attacks hits, death is almost certain and in the event that the victim somehow survives, their ability to manipulate chakra is removed, thus almost an instant victory for the opponent. In summary, though, yes kishi is a stronger and easier to strike with once summoned, i believe that rs is the more versatile and useful of the techniques, and if landed, more certainly assures victory. But head to head, kishi wins. I'm open to debate on this one.

Finally someone who I can debate with without the stupidity.


Anyways, many people similar to you are saying that Kirin is stronger because it is pure lightning. Am I not correct? Well yes, if you think about it that way, Kirin would be stronger than Rasenshuriken because the Wind element in Rasenshuriken is coming from chakra. But this is where Rasenshuriken wins in power. Wind>Lightning.

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^^^The Part that makes up the shuriken in Rasenshuriken is Wind, so in the end the Wind would cancel out a HUGE chunk of Kirin, and then there is still the Rasengan part. That in itself is an atom bomb, so it would take out the rest of Kirin, and the opponent.

But dont get me wrong. Kirin and Rasenshuriken both have shitloads of power, but Rasenshuriken wins this one.

POINT OF POWER GOES TO: Rasenshuriken(barely)


Ok so now we talk about speed between the two. Yes, Kirin's speed is 1/6000th of a second. If there are no thunderclouds, then it would take a lot to create. It required Sasuke's MOST STRONGEST KATON(fire) TECHNIQUE :

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And it required Itachi's amaterasu, and a boat load of it too:

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All that was used to set up Kirin. That in itself takes a whole lot of two people, let alone one person.


While Rasenshuriken doesnt take long to prepare....I really dont think I need proof for that....But tell me if you do.


So who takes the point? For fastest Set up:Rasenshuriken
For fastest technique:Kirin

And now everyone is talking about how "ooh, look at what rasenshurriken did to the 3rd Raikage" and blah blah blah. He had one of THE MOST strongest shield. Mabye not the strongest, but one of the most strongest. Made of Raiton too. The 3rd Raikage also had Edo Tenesi to heal him, so that is why the 3rd was not defeated.

But why and and how would Kirin possibly destory the 3rds shield? Both Raiton....In my opinon it would probable just refule the shield.Kirin seriously wont do crap to the sheild.



I am also open for debate :izuna:

btw: Can anyone explain to me hwo :izuna: is izuna? Cause meh confused (?_?) <- Me

 

[debrr07]

ive gotta say rasenshuriken is underestimated, everyone is saying that because kirin is lightning style, it's faster than rasenshuriken, ok lets say thats true but with naruto's speed and power in rikudo mode, i'm pretty sure he can dodge kirin and overpower it with rasenshuriken, i bet mini-rasenshuriken might do the job too. Not to forget, sasuke needs to shape and guide kirin to the target and if he doesn't do this successfully, this one-shot technique could lose him the match as it uses up a lot of chakra whereas naruto naturally has alot of chakra on top of the fact he can utilise the nine tails chakra so he can use rasenshuriken a few times and this is no joke but rasenshuriken is now naruto's quickest move, also if his intial throw with rs misses he can alter the direction of the misguided rs and ridirect it to the target which kirin can't do, there are other factors that make a jutsu a success other than speed and power, if u dont take other factors into mind, speed and power aren't good enough xd
here's a link to rasenshuriken's pros/cons and u can look up kirin on the same website, dunno about its pros/cons though

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[ninjasaurus89]

Kirin

 

[NarutoBestFanboy]

Rasen Shuriken is better overall.

1) Easier to set up
2) Can be used more than once. more shots.. I think Naruto could use 3. Kirin can only be used once.
3) If the enemy has intel they can simply stop you heating up the clouds and no kirin.

 

[Turson]

rasenshuriken would win if they were met at the same time because they are both s-ranked jutsu but wind is stronger) only thing natural lightning has over chakra lightning is speed (and with speed, a little more power)

that'd be cool if naruto dodged kirin with KM and then finished him with rs jutsu

Not in this case.
Stronger lightning technique > weaker wind technique. I have already proved that mountain that Kirin destroyed was like 10x bigger than FRS explosions we could see in manga. If both jutsu collided FRS would have no chance, although when in comes to usage FRS > Kirin. Kirin, although its an attack of TBB level when it comes to destruction power needs too much preparations.

 

[orona]

you're all retarded. especially those saying rasenshuriken is stronger than kirin.
no. just no. unless you're actually an idiot, either way you look at it kirin is obviously the better technique.

brief explanation:

kirin isn't directly using the user's chakra nature, rather it's being used to invoke genuine (as in legitimate) lightning, and manifest it into a dragon-like entity then manipulate said entity (Kirin) to attack any designated target at will virtually instantaneously (speed of light rate).

seriously. the contrast between these two techniques are so great that there shouldn't even be a comparison, which is painfully obvious.

as for the one comparing Kakashi's feat of being able to cut lightning down with the Lightning Blade to the situation (Karin vs. Rasenshuriken), stop. think. you're comparing standard lightning in the purest form with no designation whatsoever to something that can literally be thrown at you in the blink of the eye (the latter [Kirin] being what fits this description). im going to stop there and let you reconsider what you said. maybe you'll see the light (the "light" metaphorically being the truth to the matter — which is basically Karin being generally superior to the rasenshuriken given the reasoning I provided) eventually if i keep it at that.

Have a nice day.

your the idiot. lightning and kirin move at the same speed because as you yourself said kirin is lightning which means that it could be cut/stopped just like kakashi did, your reasoning is stupid and either way kirin can't just be made out of thin air so it really doesn't matter unless there's some kind of thunderstorm

 

[orona]

Lol. denial is more than futile here. the information i provided isn't disputable — at least from the likes of you (or practically anyone here for that matter), rasengan + rasengan variant fanboy. Here, let me go ahead and further explain this to you. Kirin can obviously be compared to Rasenshuriken in that sense because that's irrelevant as they're both techniques; initialization speed is not the sole aspect of this argument, debate, or whatever you want to call it. No, if you honestly considered the full extent of the principles of Kirin, you'd see how the mechanics behind it are able to be utilized in order to use the technique seamlessly (with not as huge of a problem as you're making it seem in other words). And you're an idiot for that statement by the way, "the only reason Sasuke was able to use Kirin was because Itachi's Amaterasu helped heat up the atmosphere." this wasn't stated nor was it even indicated in the manga OR the anime. this is simply an assumption. not even the people on the opposition of the argument of Kirin being stronger than Rasenshuriken would agree with this because even they're able to distinguish lie or otherwise word of mouth from truth/factual information (which is pretty much all I've provided here, might I add). I'm disappointed in you for this. the fact that you've resorted to spouting complete and utter BS only proves you morons are running out of actual arguments that qualify in this thread — that appeases me, but considering who it is, it kind of doesn't. anyways, the majority of your post is full of irrelevance (if you need proof or elaboration just ask, I'd be glad to point out why this entire post is invalid) so I won't even categorize this as a valid counterargument. I commend you for your efforts, though. kirin is obviously superior in terms of power. initiation time is irrelevant considering a storm could easily be provoked in the heat of a battle and utilized later on.

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basically, your whole argument disgusts me. come on rasengan fanboys, anything else even remotely sensible to add? I'll wait. this guy's post was simply horribly put together. nothing he's said has made even the slightest bit of difference here; nothing he's said has changed the fact that Kirin is generally superior to the Rasenshuriken.

zetsu said it smart guy

 

[orona]

^^^^

LAST TIME I CHECKED SASUKED KIRIN IS COMPARED TO Amaterasu AND BOTH WOULD OWN AND WHAT ELSE PROVES THAT A STRONG ENOUGH LIGHTINGJUTSU CAN BEAT WIND JUTSU UHHH KYUUBI NARUTO WIND STYLE VS 3RD RAIKAGE UHH YEAH ^^^

OH AND WHAT DID SASUKE DO DODGE THE RAIKAGE SPEED WITH ANY SPECIAL CHAKRA YEAH STFU !!!

except for the fact that the 3rd raikage was a ****ing edo which means that after he got blown away his body just regenerated

oh and no tard sasuke didn't dodge the raikage in any way, his eyes couldn't keep up so he used amaterasu as a shield and the raikage ****ed his ass up straight through it

 

[orona]

its funny how kyuubi naruto rasenshruriken was destroyed by a lighting justu used thrid raikaige ...lets face it we arent talking about the time it takes to create the jutsu but head to head clash karin owns dumbass SMH

it's funny how you make shit up cuz naruto was never even TOUCHED by the 3rd raikage. you know how i know? because that was a ****ing clone, if he had been "owned" he would have vanished. oh and kakashi cut a bolt of lightning in half with a lightning tech so a wind tech will definately win against kirin and dont even try to claim naruto isn't fast enough because he's definately faster than kakashi

 

[Forget Me Not]

your the idiot. lightning and kirin move at the same speed because as you yourself said kirin is lightning which means that it could be cut/stopped just like kakashi did, your reasoning is stupid and either way kirin can't just be made out of thin air so it really doesn't matter unless there's some kind of thunderstorm

Lol. I can't leave a thread for one moment, ONE MOMENT, without idiots like you rioting threads with senseless Naruto/Jiraiya/Minato (rasengan fanboys basically) logic. God, the majority of you really need an adequate education. This is beyond sad.

Look, I told this to your mutually retarded friend (namely GodaimeRaikage) this already — I'm done discussing this with you. At this point, if you had a brain to realize the information surrounding you, you'd know that this thread has already been logically concluded. And I'll explain this one more time and one more time only: the difference between Kakashi being able to cut through lightning is that it was stated to have been a bolt. That would mean they differ and size, and potentially (hint, hint - potentially) speed. Even putting into consideration one of these factors, that would affect the entire results of the case of Kakashi attempting to cut down Kirin. Not to mention that as I said, the lightning most likely had no opponent as a designation. Which would given him an even more opportune situation since he'd be able to strike the bolt more effectively. Notwithstanding this, if you still consider what was mentioned before this, you'd still see how Kirin differs from standard lightning. I guess it's just manifested into a dragon-like entity — quote, quote — for no apparent reason. Oh well.

zetsu said it smart guy

Yeah, I realize this now. I hadn't even verified this earlier because I felt that guy (GodaimeRaikage, again) wasn't worth the time or effort. But I also realize another thing: this is irrelevant because as of currently Sasuke possesses the Amaterasu and the EMS to compensate for the lack of potency his casual fire-style had in the past. This makes all the difference because based on what EMS has demonstrated so far, fatigue is no longer a vital aspect of the MS. In other words, fatigue has not yet been seen while using the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. On top of this, Sasuke no longer has the toll of inevitably going blind due to consistent use of its various powers. If you were able to see this before, you'd see how futile is to even mention what you said. Even regular MS Sasuke for that matter would be able to make practical use of Kirin. Anyways, as I said before, my stance here is no longer valid. Basically meaning I'm not going to debate this with you morons any longer. Literally none of you are worth a minute of my time and my only regret here is exceeding that minimum substantially.

I'm out.

 

[orona]

to all those who keep sayng "kirin is more destructive because it's pure lightning" your wrong, the rasenshuriken has no limit to how powerful it can be. naruto decides how strong he wants to make it as shown by the mini rs, the oodama rasengan, and jiraiya's huge rasengan vs. pain. a normal sized rasenshuriken MIGHT not be as strong but even then that's still just speculation because we've never seen a real comparison of the two and kirin isn't really as destructive as people are making it seem, it only destroyed that one building, not an entire mountain(i could be wrong but unless your goin to post a manga page don't even bother disputing this). pretty sure a rs would have destroyed that building just as easily and if a normal sized one wouldn't then he could just make it bigger

 

[chopsticks10]

If your just talking vs. then I say Kirin. The use-in combat is a variable and depends on various situations.

I think scientifically speaking, Kirin is a much bigger(I'm not sure if that's the right word) energy than Rasenshuriken. Larger energy typically consume or absorb the smaller energy. RS is about the size of a basketball maybe bigger and I lightning obviously is much bigger energy.

 

[Universal Enlightenment]

RASEN-SHURIKEN

KIRIN


AND THE WINNER IS???

RASEN-SHURIKEN

 

[GofOfNothing]

Finally someone who I can debate with without the stupidity.


Anyways, many people similar to you are saying that Kirin is stronger because it is pure lightning. Am I not correct? Well yes, if you think about it that way, Kirin would be stronger than Rasenshuriken because the Wind element in Rasenshuriken is coming from chakra. But this is where Rasenshuriken wins in power. Wind>Lightning.

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^^^The Part that makes up the shuriken in Rasenshuriken is Wind, so in the end the Wind would cancel out a HUGE chunk of Kirin, and then there is still the Rasengan part. That in itself is an atom bomb, so it would take out the rest of Kirin, and the opponent.

But dont get me wrong. Kirin and Rasenshuriken both have shitloads of power, but Rasenshuriken wins this one.

POINT OF POWER GOES TO: Rasenshuriken(barely)


Ok so now we talk about speed between the two. Yes, Kirin's speed is 1/6000th of a second. If there are no thunderclouds, then it would take a lot to create. It required Sasuke's MOST STRONGEST KATON(fire) TECHNIQUE :

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And it required Itachi's amaterasu, and a boat load of it too:

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All that was used to set up Kirin. That in itself takes a whole lot of two people, let alone one person.


While Rasenshuriken doesnt take long to prepare....I really dont think I need proof for that....But tell me if you do.


So who takes the point? For fastest Set up:Rasenshuriken
For fastest technique:Kirin

And now everyone is talking about how "ooh, look at what rasenshurriken did to the 3rd Raikage" and blah blah blah. He had one of THE MOST strongest shield. Mabye not the strongest, but one of the most strongest. Made of Raiton too. The 3rd Raikage also had Edo Tenesi to heal him, so that is why the 3rd was not defeated.

But why and and how would Kirin possibly destory the 3rds shield? Both Raiton....In my opinon it would probable just refule the shield.Kirin seriously wont do crap to the sheild.



I am also open for debate :izuna:

btw: Can anyone explain to me hwo :izuna: is izuna? Cause meh confused (?_?) <- Me

the only thing i dont agree with you is the BOLD one
kirin and rasenshuriken will never clash so rasenshuriken cant take out the power of kirin
kirin comes from a thundercloud

.............................TC/K



N/RS ------------------>S/C

TC-ThunderCloud
N-Naruto
S-Sasuke
K-Kirin
C-Chidori

you see what i mean?
Narutos RS is gonna the straight way to sasuke and Sasukes Kirin (which is in a cloud and is lead by sasukes chidori) is going diagonal to naruto so they will never clash

 

[Sasuke4115]

whoever says rasenshuriken is on another level to kirin are Absolutely correct...................A level below that of kirin.:izuna:

 

[IMPURE WORLD]

Equilibrium..i give you+20 rep for this thread,,,its way different then all these wack ass threads thats on here,,,,,rasenshuriken,,,,,wins hands down,,wind is stronger then lightning,,,,plus naruto has a powerful life force chakra inherited by uzumaki,,which makes his rasenshuriken even more deadly,,,even kakashi said that his sharingan couldnt even keep up with the rasenshurikens attack

 

[GofOfNothing]

Equilibrium..i give you+20 rep for this thread,,,its way different then all these wack ass threads thats on here,,,,,rasenshuriken,,,,,wins hands down,,wind is stronger then lightning,,,,plus naruto has a powerful life force chakra inherited by uzumaki,,which makes his rasenshuriken even more deadly,,,even kakashi said that his sharingan couldnt even keep up with the rasenshurikens attack

i wont disagree with you or something like
but
uchihas have the stronger chakra not the uzumakis
life force chakra is hmmm how should i say
they have a longer life with it xD

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

it is easier to use rasenshuriken than kirin right? rasenshuriken.

 

[EQUILIBRIUM]

like i said before... wind is stronger than lightning...people saying kirin stronger....thats like saying you cant put a fire out with water....