Raikage vs MS sasuke

[NarutoX28]

Him having his armor activated isn't the prep people are using to make this ridiculous excuse, so it being active beforehand is irrelevant.

Illogical assertion considering Raikage amplified his Raiton Armor due to having knowledge of Minato's immeasurable speed. Not sure what implies that Raikage would create an opening for Minato to exploit when he was completely aware of Minato's Kunai being the medium for his speed unless Raikage's a dumbass.

 

[KidGamer65]

Illogical assertion considering Raikage amplified his Raiton Armor due to having knowledge of Minato's immeasurable speed. Not sure what implies that Raikage would create an opening for Minato to exploit when he was completely aware of Minato's Kunai being the medium for his speed unless Raikage's a dumbass.

What in the world are you talking about? Him having his armor active is your evidence for him needing prep. That's not the prep that's referred to when people mention that he needs to prep his Shunshin, so how does his armor being active mean that his Shunshin needs to be prepped and charged? :lol


-Armor is activated.
-Minato tosses Kunai.
-Ay's armor amplifies and in the same moment he charges Minato.

Where is the prep? :lol


"illogical assertion" makes no sense when that post makes no assertion. I suggest you read that again.

 

[NarutoX28]

What in the world are you talking about? Him having his armor active is your evidence for him needing prep. That's not the prep that's referred to when people mention that he needs to prep his Shunshin, so how does his armor being active mean that his Shunshin needs to be prepped and charged? :lol


-Armor is activated.
-Minato tosses Kunai.
-Ay's armor amplifies and in the same moment he charges Minato.

Where is the prep? :lol

Yikes, I'm literally assuming that you're completely oblivious as to what you're suggesting here.

I'll reiterate here, Raikage knew that Minato's Kunai acted as a medium for his speed. Given that, why would Raikage wait for Minato to fling his Kunai around if he could simply speed-blitz Minato and prevent him from doing so in the first place? Your argument makes no sense and pivots on nothing other than your subjective view of the situation.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yikes, I'm literally assuming that you're completely oblivious as to what you're suggesting here.

I'll reiterate here, Raikage knew that Minato's Kunai acted as a medium for his speed. Given that, why would Raikage wait for Minato to fling his Kunai around if he could simply speed-blitz Minato and prevent him from doing so in the first place? Your argument makes no sense and pivots on nothing other than your subjective view of the situation.

I'm not so sure.

 

[NarutoX28]

I'm not so sure.

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Clearly referencing the Kunai that is shown previously.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Clearly referencing the Kunai that is shown previously.

Again not so sure. He didn't make any deductions like that until after the fact.

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[NarutoX28]

Again not so sure. He didn't make any deductions like that until after the fact.

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Because he didn't expect Minato to evade his speed, so he blindly confronted Minato with the expectation of hitting him.

As mentioned, the previous panel establishes the context of Raikage and his squad's background knowledge which makes it clear what he's referring to. If you were to take the statement in a literal sense, then you'd have to believe that Minato was perceived to be the Yellow Flash based on his blonde hair which doesn't make sense when thousands of people have blonde hair.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yikes, I'm literally assuming that you're completely oblivious as to what you're suggesting here.

I'll reiterate here, Raikage knew that Minato's Kunai acted as a medium for his speed. Given that, why would Raikage wait for Minato to fling his Kunai around if he could simply speed-blitz Minato and prevent him from doing so in the first place? Your argument makes no sense and pivots on nothing other than your subjective view of the situation.

No, I'm assuming you have no idea what you are talking about as usual given you haven't actually addressed the argument. Who said that Raikage waited for Minato to fling his Kunai around? Can you even read? :lol I already stated that Raikage had his armor active. That is the only type of prep shown in this encounter.

If you are suggesting that Raikage was charging his chakras like he did against Sasuke then you are going to have to show that as already stated.

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"but but raikage would've charged minato while he was throwing his kunai"

Lmao. Weak ass excuse. Hilarious how we are talking about subjectivity (probably you using more words you don't understand properly) when everything I've said is what happened on panel while your entire argument relies on whether or not Raikage wanted to take Minato out before he could set himself up, a question you can't even answer properly as you don't know the Raikage's mindset. There have been dozens of times in fiction and in this series where people would rather fight an opponent at full power instead of taking them out before they can perform their action, and if Ay was confident that he would take Minato out he wouldn't feel the need to take him out beforehand.

:lol So yeah all I see are excuses and a guy who couldn't properly comprehend the opposition's argument even if it were to save his life. To make this simple for you just answer the following question:

"Where is Raikage shown charging his chakra for an abnormal amount of time during his fight against Minato?"

If you won't answer that question with a clear answer then don't bother responding. Not interested in weak arguments that rely on what YOU think on the Raikage's mindset with zero evidence for your claims as usual.

 

[NarutoX28]

No, I'm assuming you have no idea what you are talking about as usual given you haven't actually addressed the argument. Who said that Raikage waited for Minato to fling his Kunai around? Can you even read? :lol I already stated that Raikage had his armor active. That is the only type of prep shown in this encounter.

If you are suggesting that Raikage was charging his chakras like he did against Sasuke then you are going to have to show that as already stated.

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Weak argument. I shouldn't have to even explain this to you. Raikage activating his armor can imply two things, either Raikage was amplifying his armor for full speed or used it on a normal level. Ironically, you berate me for not providing a statement (which is a weak ass argument) yet you cannot provide me a statement within that exact moment that suggests that Raikage used his full speed like the situation you referred to. The only thing we have to go off of is deductive reasoning, context, and common sense.

"but but raikage would've charged minato while he was throwing his kunai"

Lmao. Weak ass excuse. Hilarious how we are talking about subjectivity (probably you using more words you don't understand properly) when everything I've said is what happened on panel while your entire argument relies on whether or not Raikage wanted to take Minato out before he could set himself up, a question you can't even answer properly as you don't know the Raikage's mindset. There have been dozens of times in fiction and in this series where people would rather fight an opponent at full power instead of taking them out before they can perform their action, and if Ay was confident that he would take Minato out he wouldn't feel the need to take him out beforehand.

*Yawn*

I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about. Raikage's activation of his armor can imply two things and the reason why I stated that the essence of your argument was a subjective view of the entire thing because you chose to cherry-pick which scenario suited your argument the most. This is not how you argue and claiming, "Lol, we don't know Raikage mindset bro?" is proposing a logical fallacy. What you do instead is present multiple premises or anything within the context of the situation that would indicate that Raikage didn't amplify his armor immediately. We don't need a statement shoved up our ass to get that ingrained in our minds with an example of that being Raikage vs. Madara.

Do we really need statements shoved up our ass when we can analyze the context of the situation and presume that Raikage did use his full speed against Madara?

:lol So yeah all I see are excuses and a guy who couldn't properly comprehend the opposition's argument even if it were to save his life. To make this simple for you just answer the following question:

"Where is Raikage shown charging his chakra for an abnormal amount of time during his fight against Minato?"

If you won't answer that question with a clear answer then don't bother responding. Not interested in weak arguments that rely on what YOU think on the Raikage's mindset with zero evidence for your claims as usual.

Right, my bad, I guess Raikage wasn't using his full speed against Minato or Madara, my mistake bro.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Because he didn't expect Minato to evade his speed, so he blindly confronted Minato with the expectation of hitting him.

As mentioned, the previous panel establishes the context of Raikage and his squad's background knowledge which makes it clear what he's referring to. If you were to take the statement in a literal sense, then you'd have to believe that Minato was perceived to be the Yellow Flash based on his blonde hair which doesn't make sense when thousands of people have blonde hair.

you mean like this?

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[NarutoX28]

you mean like this?

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Yeah, not sure how that disputes anything when the fodder ninja literally couldn't tell who Minato was at first glance.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Yeah, not sure how that disputes anything when the fodder ninja literally couldn't tell who Minato was at first glance.

It goes against what you said. I doubt ppl were seeing anything other than his blond hair whenever he sped through.

Given the fact that 'teleportation jutsu' references both sunshin and ftg in this manga and given how few ppl knew of the secrets to minato's speed. And his 'flee on sight' orders (which is crazy seeing has how said orders applied to two different villages) it's not far fetched to assume that ay didn't know his speed was tied to the kunai until after the first exchange. If he did, he would have went about it the way he did in his second exchange (i.e. taking into account the kunai locations to follow up the attack)

 

[TRE MERCER]

How did this become Minato and Raikage?

 

[KidGamer65]

Weak argument. I shouldn't have to even explain this to you. Raikage activating his armor can imply two things, either Raikage was amplifying his armor for full speed or used it on a normal level. Ironically, you berate me for not providing a statement (which is a weak ass argument) yet you cannot provide me a statement within that exact moment that suggests that Raikage used his full speed like the situation you referred to. The only thing we have to go off of is deductive reasoning, context, and common sense.

The amplification process of his armor was blatantly shown, and that was when he charged at Minato. Not before, not after. Everything in the bold is irrelevant to the statement. I don't need a statement for Raikage using his full speed because it's apparent he was using his full speed. Is anything you are saying supported by the Manga? No. You can't show any evidence of this so called prep. Raikage activating his armor means his armor is active. Raikage amplifying his armor from level 1 to full power is visually a completely difference process as the Manga has shown.


Not to mention

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so even then I do have a statement, but you would know that if you knew how to read.

I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about. Raikage's activation of his armor can imply two things and the reason why I stated that the essence of your argument was a subjective view of the entire thing because you chose to cherry-pick which scenario suited your argument the most. This is not how you argue and claiming, "Lol, we don't know Raikage mindset bro?" is proposing a logical fallacy. What you do instead is present multiple premises or anything within the context of the situation that would indicate that Raikage didn't amplify his armor immediately. We don't need a statement shoved up our ass to get that ingrained in our minds with an example of that being Raikage vs. Madara.

I'm going to break this down to you as simple as I can since I already know it's hard for your tiny little brain to comprehend anything that doesn't agree with your garbage viewpoints and skewed understanding of the Manga.

-Raikage amplifying his armor. [

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That is how Raikage goes either from Base or V1 to max power. That process requires no prep at all and is the same as the activation of any other cloak.

-Where was this process before Minato threw his Kunai?

-Oh wait, nowhere as you've failed to show. So you tried to make some dumb "Raikage wanted to kill Minato before Minato could do anything argument".

-I ask you "How did you come to that conclusion when you have no idea what he was thinking"

-Just like you clowns love to do when you are met with a point you can't support, you cry "logical fallacy" "I'm right cuz i said so". What a joke.

Meanwhile, I have posted the scan that shows him amplifying his armor WHEN HE IS ABOUT TO STRIKE. If he had done it before there would be no need to do it again. Stop crying about logical fallacies when you don't even know how to apply them. That makes you look even more stupid than you sound.

Do we really need statements shoved up our ass when we can analyze the context of the situation and presume that Raikage did use his full speed against Madara?

Who said that he didn't? This is why you can't be taken seriously. Since you can't support your argument you are trying to turn this argument into something else entirely. Maybe if you pulled your head out of your ass and actually read the Manga and my posts you wouldn't be spewing this nonsense

Did I ask you to provide a statement to prove your point? No. I asked you to show me where Raikage needs to prep his Shunshin. That is something you've yet to do. Am I typing in a foreign language to you or are you being this daft on purpose? :lol Address the argument or don't reply. This is getting pretty pathetic on your side.

Right, my bad, I guess Raikage wasn't using his full speed against Minato or Madara, my mistake bro.

Nothing I said leads to this conclusion. Try reading this time. It'll probably help you out. :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

You morons came up with this "Raikage needs to prep his Shunshin" idiocy based on a situation where Raikage was blatantly stated to be waiting for Sasuke to strike so he could counter with his Shunshin. Every other time Raikage has wanted to use his top speed Shunshin he simply activates his armor and attacks not even a moment later.

-Did so against Minato.
-Did so against Naruto.
-Did so against Madara, twice.

Then we have the fact that Shunshin's workings won't change just because Ay is the one using it. Spare me the BS children. All this just to make Lord Sasuke look better than he really is.

Please don't even reply to me. Just read what I've said over and over and over and over again until it finally clicks in your brain. Nothing you could even type up at this point will do you any good.

 

[Jaime the kingslayer]

You morons came up with this "Raikage needs to prep his Shunshin" idiocy based on a situation where Raikage was blatantly stated to be waiting for Sasuke to strike so he could counter with his Shunshin. Every other time Raikage has wanted to use his top speed Shunshin he simply activates his armor and attacks not even a moment later.

-Did so against Minato.
-Did so against Naruto.
-Did so against Madara, twice.

Then we have the fact that Shunshin's workings won't change just because Ay is the one using it. Spare me the BS children. All this just to make Lord Sasuke look better than he really is.

Please don't even reply to me. Just read what I've said over and over and over and over again until it finally clicks in your brain. Nothing you could even type up at this point will do you any good.

Relax that argument is made by ´@ Tre Mercer guy who wanks Manda ,thinks Hebi Sasuke actually dodges V2 Ay attack and so.

 

[KidGamer65]

Relax that argument is made by ´@ Tre Mercer guy who wanks Manda ,thinks Hebi Sasuke actually dodges V2 Ay attack and so.

And the joker I'm replying to right now. :lol It's like reading is a foreign skill to these people.

 

[TRE MERCER]

-Did so against Minato.
-Did so against Naruto.
-Did so against Madara, twice.

You seemed to be confused on what a Shunshin is lool. Nothing suggest what he did against Madara was a shunshin all he did was go v2 and attack lool. Ei wasn't even in v2 when went up against Minato. Cee clearly says he ramps himself up even more obviously his basic shunshin wouldn't suffice against Amaterasu. Also why would he wait for Sasuke to use Amaterasu in the first place if he could just blitz lmao?

Edit nothing suggest that was a shunshin against Minato either. All he did was go lighting armor and attack. He even stated he didn't even use his full speed so how could that be his Shunshin? It wasn't now sit your dumbass down.

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[TRE MERCER]

Relax that argument is made by ´@ Tre Mercer guy who wanks Manda ,thinks Hebi Sasuke actually dodges V2 Ay attack and so.

Yet the argument can't be proven wrong lol.

 

[TRE MERCER]

LOOOOOOOl i just thought how wrong he is about him using his Shunshin against Madara and Minato LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO im really weak because he singled that out meaning he made sure you read it just to be wrong.

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