Raikage vs MS sasuke

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Please don't try to make shitty excuses. Ay canonically dodged Amaterasu. He charges at Sasuke at top speed like he did the first time MS was used and caves Sasuke's skull in. There is no "set him up for Amaterasu". He can't hit him. I repeat. HE CANNOT HIT HIM.

what excuse did i make Ei is a linear fighter he charges straight at Sasuke gets amaterasu to the face he's not dodging in mid run.

 

[KidGamer65]

what excuse did i make Ei is a linear fighter he charges straight at Sasuke gets amaterasu to the face he's not dodging in mid run.

-Ay dashes at Sasuke.
-Sasuke dies.

OR

-Ay Shunshins out of his LoS like he did in canon.
-Kills him with a Karate Chop to the neck.

He doesn't need to dodge shit mid run when Sasuke can't even react to his speed in the first place. :lol Man you guys are sad. Why try to argue something that literally already happened?

 

[Unorthodox]

-Ay dashes at Sasuke.
-Sasuke dies.

He doesn't need to dodge shit mid run when Sasuke can't even react to his speed in the first place. :lol Man you guys are sad. Why try to argue something that literally already happened?

stop acting like Ei can dodge amaterasu casually i hate that bullshit line ''he escape his LOS"" lol he got behind him you can escape anyone los by doing that Sasuke reacted with enton before Ey could strike not to mention powering up to v2 takes longer than casting amaterasu which he could easily set up like he did against kabuto.

 

[KidGamer65]

stop acting like Ei can dodge amaterasu casually i hate that bullshit line ''he escape his LOS"" lol he got behind him you can escape anyone los by doing that Sasuke reacted with enton before Ey could strike not to mention powering up to v2 takes longer than casting amaterasu which he could easily set up like he did against kabuto.

No more excuses. Ay easily dodges Amaterasu. Semantics won't help your argument.

-Sasuke can't react to Ay's speed.
-Sasuke can't follow Ay's speed.
-Sasuke can't hit him with Amaterasu.
-Sasuke did not react to Ay w/o Enton. It was stated he can't follow Ay speed and it was shown, which is why he was looking the opposite way when Ay was about to whoop his ass.
-Top speed Shunshin can be used with no prep as shown against Minato.

Lmao are you stupid? Sasuke would follow his movements even if he tried to get out of his line of sight if he were fast enough to do so in the first place.

 

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-Sasuke can't react to Ay's speed.

Putting enton on his Susanoo before Ei striking is not a reaction then what is it?

Sasuke can't follow Ay's speed.

Read above.

Sasuke can't hit him with Amaterasu.

Sasuke does not need to set up amaterasu around him then he goes to work. Ei rushing at Sasuke and dodging amaterasu is fanfic when he needed his top speed plus the focus on the blood and shunshin to dodgde so cut the bs.

Sasuke did not react to Ay w/o Enton. It was stated he can't follow Ay speed and it was shown, which is why he was looking the opposite way when Ay was about to whoop his ass.

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Sasuke looking directly at Ei that's a physical reaction and reacting with enton is also a mental reaction

Top speed Shunshin can be used with no prep as shown against Minato.

Except he already had his ration armor on.

Lmao are you stupid? Sasuke would follow his movements even if he tried to get out of his line of sight if he were fast enough to do so in the first place.

Sasuke did follow his movements using enton on susanoo. Ei was like 2 feet away from Sasuke when he used his shunshin and Sasuke reacted before he could strike, he was aleast 20m from Minato and he barely reacting make the distance change and minato would be dead thus having us think he could not react to Ei

 

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Is this the top 3

1. edogawa
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3. TRE MERCER
OP: Raikage still shits.

 

[KidGamer65]

Putting enton on his Susanoo before Ei striking is not a reaction then what is it?

At best you would only be able to argue he can use something as fast as Enton and that he can mentally react. Not that he has the capability to land Amaterasu or physically react. :lol

Sasuke does not need to set up amaterasu around him then he goes to work. Ei rushing at Sasuke and dodging amaterasu is fanfic when he needed his top speed plus the focus on the blood and shunshin to dodgde so cut the bs.

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Sasuke looking directly at Ei that's a physical reaction and reacting with enton is also a mental reaction

-Already addressed Enton.
-Lmao you and TRE MERCER really need to learn how to read.

1. Ay is about to hit him.
2. Enton appears.
3. Ay stops.
4. THEN SASUKE LOOKS AT HIM.

Except he already had his ration armor on.

It's activation time is instant. :lol Raikage's reflexes surpass Sasuke's. Sasuke isn't doing or landing anything before Ay Shunshins.

Sasuke did follow his movements using enton on susanoo.

You guys are something else. The Manga stated he can't follow his movements. Sasuke was looking to the RIGHT. Ay was on the LEFT. Why in the world would Sasuke be looking elsewhere if he could follow Ay's movements? :lol

Ei was like 2 feet away from Sasuke when he used his shunshin and Sasuke reacted before he could strike, he was aleast 20m from Minato and he barely reacting make the distance change and minato would be dead thus having us think he could not react to Ei

Minato managed to flick a Kunai above Ay's head and use Hiraishin all before Ay could touch him. That's not "barely" reacting.

 

[NarutoX28]

Top Speed Shunshin was never used with no prep against Minato. Raikage had his Raiton Armor activated prior to Minato launching his kunai all over the battlefield. I also disagree with Sasuke being incapable of following Raikage because he clearly did despite being preoccupied with launching Amaterasu, but he implicitly couldn't physically react to his speed according to Karin.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Top Speed Shunshin was never used with no prep against Minato. Raikage had his Raiton Armor activated prior to Minato launching his kunai all over the battlefield. I also disagree with Sasuke being incapable of following Raikage because he clearly did despite being preoccupied with launching Amaterasu, but he implicitly couldn't physically react to his speed according to Karin.

This right here. An argument could even be made that MS Sasuke didn't try to evade Ei chop because he simply didn't think it would break through Susanoo nor did he think he would risk his own arm. Ei v2 speed is overrated.

 

[KCN]

Top Speed Shunshin was never used with no prep against Minato. Raikage had his Raiton Armor activated prior to Minato launching his kunai all over the battlefield. I also disagree with Sasuke being incapable of following Raikage because he clearly did despite being preoccupied with launching Amaterasu, but he implicitly couldn't physically react to his speed according to Karin.

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Karin states he cannot follow his movements, which we can see by Sasuke looking the wrong way.

 

[NarutoX28]

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Karin states he cannot follow his movements, which we can see by Sasuke looking the wrong way.

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Yet he tracked him here when he was still within his Line of Sight.

 

[Greedie]

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Karin states he cannot follow his movements, which we can see by Sasuke looking the wrong way.

Obviously sasuke is looking the wrong way because he thought spotted someone who owed him money, For a moment he forgot he was in the middle of a fight.

 

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Yet he tracked him here when he was still within his Line of Sight.

He didn't track anything. Ay dodged Amaterasu and Sasuke responded to his jutsu missing the target. He moved out of Amaterasu's attack range and then proceeded to

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Sasuke the very next scan. For your proposition to be correct, that should never of happened if he "tracked him" just the scan before. Not to mention Karin makes that statement after your scan, meaning he clearly couldn't.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He didn't track anything. Ay wasn't in a constant motion, he simply moved out of Amaterasu's attack range and then proceeded to

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Sasuke the very next scan. For your proposition to be correct, that should never of happened if he "tracked him" just the scan before. Not to mention Karin makes that statement after your scan, meaning he clearly couldn't.

Sasuke couldn't see his shunshin moving speed it was his striking speed Sasuke saw. But that's irrelevant in scene 2 cause Ei isn't taking out Sasuke with full utilization of his Susanoo.

 

[KCN]

Sasuke couldn't see his shunshin moving speed it was his striking speed Sasuke saw. But that's irrelevant in scene 2 cause Ei isn't taking out Sasuke with full utilization of his Susanoo.

Yep. And even when he noticed Ay standing behind him, it's because Ay briefly hesitated when the Enton encircled his Susano'o.

 

[NarutoX28]

He didn't track anything. Ay wasn't in a constant motion, he simply moved out of Amaterasu's attack range and then proceeded to

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Sasuke the very next scan. For your proposition to be correct, that should never of happened if he "tracked him" just the scan before. Not to mention Karin makes that statement after your scan, meaning he clearly couldn't.

My proposition included the idea behind Sasuke failing to "keep up" with Raikage (as Karin phrased it) because he couldn't physically react to Raikage's speed. This connects to Sasuke's inability to "track" Raikage because he can't align himself in respect to Raikage's position by rotating his entire body if his body simply cannot physically react to it.

I'm not sure if you realize how ridiculous your assertion is, but Raikage clearly used his full speed. Cee explicitly elaborated on Raikage's strategy to counter Sasuke's Mangekyo through Shunshin which was already exhibiting chakra levels expected of a Bijuu. How the hell wasn't Raikage using his full speed? Sounds like a cop out to me.

 

[KCN]

My proposition included the idea behind Sasuke failing to "keep up" with Raikage (as Karin phrased it) because he couldn't physically react to Raikage's speed. This connects to Sasuke's inability to "track" Raikage because he can't align himself in respect to Raikage's position by rotating his entire body if his body simply cannot physically react to it.

I'm not sure if you realize how ridiculous your assertion is, but Raikage clearly used his full speed. Cee explicitly elaborated on Raikage's strategy to counter Sasuke's Mangekyo through Shunshin which was already exhibiting chakra levels expected of a Bijuu. How the hell wasn't Raikage using his full speed? Sounds like a cop out to me.

So... the conclusion is still the same. Sasuke still cannot track the Raikage's speed, like you claimed he could. The manga doesn't support that seeing as the Raikage is able to leave Sasuke's LoS and blitz Sasuke who's unknowingly looking at a complete opposite direction.

I worded that poorly. I never stated he never used his full speed, but the instance where Sasuke shifted his eyes was a direct response to missing his Amaterasu and nothing more -- check the anime and it'll clearly show you. Ay just shifted (using his full speed obviously) to his right and then blitzed Sasuke; Sasuke adjusted his eyes right after Ay dodged and attempted to track him, but to no avail. He wasn't tracking Ay at all, as evidenced in the very next scan to the one you posted. Your evidence for Sasuke being able to track Raikage ignores context of the situation and outright disregards the subsequent scenes that follow.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yep. And even when he noticed Ay standing behind him, it's because Ay briefly hesitated when the Enton encircled his Susano'o.

No point to debate this when Sasuke wins(If full susanoo is allowed) we all can agree on that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Top Speed Shunshin was never used with no prep against Minato. Raikage had his Raiton Armor activated prior to Minato launching his kunai all over the battlefield.

Him having his armor activated isn't the prep people are using to make this ridiculous excuse, so it being active beforehand is irrelevant.

So... the conclusion is still the same. Sasuke still cannot track the Raikage's speed, like you claimed he could. The manga doesn't support that seeing as the Raikage is able to leave Sasuke's LoS and blitz Sasuke who's unknowingly looking at a complete opposite direction.

I worded that poorly. I never stated he never used his full speed, but the instance where Sasuke shifted his eyes was a direct response to missing his Amaterasu and nothing more -- check the anime and it'll clearly show you. Ay just shifted (using his full speed obviously) to his right and then blitzed Sasuke; Sasuke adjusted his eyes right after Ay dodged and attempted to track him, but to no avail. He wasn't tracking Ay at all, as evidenced in the very next scan to the one you posted. Your evidence for Sasuke being able to track Raikage ignores context of the situation and outright disregards the subsequent scenes that follow.

Lmao it's crazy multiple paragraphs are needed to explain something that was clearly shown in the Manga.

"Sasuke can track the Raikage's speed, yet he was looking left when Raikage was coming from the right

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"Sasuke can dodge Ay, he just didn't want to becuz Susanoo

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[NarutoX28]

So... the conclusion is still the same. Sasuke still cannot track the Raikage's speed, like you claimed he could. The manga doesn't support that seeing as the Raikage is able to leave Sasuke's LoS and blitz Sasuke who's unknowingly looking at a complete opposite direction.

I worded that poorly. I never stated he never used his full speed, but the instance where Sasuke shifted his eyes was a direct response to missing his Amaterasu and nothing more -- check the anime and it'll clearly show you. Ay just shifted (using his full speed obviously) to his right and then blitzed Sasuke; Sasuke adjusted his eyes right after Ay dodged and attempted to track him, but to no avail. He wasn't tracking Ay at all, as evidenced in the very next scan to the one you posted. Your evidence for Sasuke being able to track Raikage ignores context of the situation and outright disregards the subsequent scenes that follow.

Which doesn't discredit what I claimed earlier. Sasuke can still visually perceive him, the issue arises when his body cannot physically keep up with him which either causes him to lose clarity of Raikage or flat-out get his teeth kicked in despite being aware of his presence. Keep in mind how I proposed that Sasuke's inability to physically react to Raikage was his downfall. That said, I'm somewhat confused about what you're claiming. Sasuke clearly looked in Raikage's direction, that's literally irrefutable.

I took a glance at the anime and I still don't see how that refutes what I proposed. Sasuke still shifted his head in respect to Raikage's motion immediately after Amaterasu missed and reacted precisely the instant before Raikage initiated his attack. There's nothing suggesting that it was a flat-out blitz other than Karin's statement which can be interpreted differently as well. To reiterate, Sasuke lost track of Raikage not because he couldn't visually perceive him initially, but he can't orient his body in respect to Raikage's speed due to the massive disparity in speed between them. In simplest terms, I agree, but for entirely different reasons.