PTS neji vs PTS gaara

[Ambivalence]

Have you seen something I haven't?

You mean besides the fact that Sasuke was running circles around Gaara's sand, the same sand which was also too slow for Lee, the same Lee that said he needed 5th Gate to beat Neji?

Then there's this (the Draegod feat): [

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]. The distance the arrow moved in the first scan is the distance Neji instantly crossed and hit Kidomaru while he was falling. PTS Gaara's sand has never moved that fast.

 

[Curse Mark]

You mean besides the fact that Sasuke was running circles around Gaara's sand, the same sand which was also too slow for Lee, the same Lee that said he needed 5th Gate to beat Neji?

Then there's this (the Draegod feat): [

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]. The distance the arrow moved in the first scan is the distance Neji instantly crossed and hit Kidomaru while he was falling. PTS Gaara's sand has never moved that fast.

That hype is lame.
Neji did not instantly cross that. You're using scans that were a chapter apart.

 

[NarutoX28]

Neji can win.

- Gentle Fist is a fatal blow and bypasses Gaara's Sand Armor.
- Gaara's Sand isn't touching Neji when he can either repel it with his Chakra and had speed on par with CE KN0 Naruto's speed.
- Gaara's Sand moves in one direction and shouldn't even touch Neji when he can evade Kidouamaru's attacks in multiple different directions.
- Lee indicating the 5th Gates was needed for Neji implies that his speed was far above Lee's who could dance around Gaara's Sand.
- Kankuro places Neji and Gaara at around the same level when he considers Neji to be a monster.
- Gaara's expressions indicated that Neji was powerful compared to himself.
- Kiba thought it was dangerous and told Hinata to forfeit if she fought either Neji or Gaara which pegs them at around the same level.

 

[EZQ]

Yeah, he is.

You're using A>B>C logic.

Lee said that he needs 5th gate to beat Neji, he didn't say he is slower that him on that form. Neji can still counter Lee's speed despite being slower.

Neji might be faster than the sand, but to actually touch Gaara you need to be a lot faster than it.

 

[Uchihakil]

You're using A>B>C logic.

Lee said that he needs 5th gate to beat Neji, he didn't say he is slower that him on that form. Neji can still counter Lee's speed despite being slower.

Neji might be faster than the sand, but to actually touch Gaara you need to be a lot faster than it.

What? He already had feats of fighting on par with KN0 naruto which sasuke at vote was on par with, and also him reaching kimmimaru before he fell, and also beating weightless lee, so that just shows he is on par with lee and sasuke in speed, sasuke with CM is faster though, but he is definately as fast as lee without weights, give us proof he is'nt

 

[Curse Mark]

What? He already had feats of fighting on par with KN0 naruto which sasuke at vote was on par with, and also him reaching kimmimaru before he fell, and also beating weightless lee, so that just shows he is on par with lee and sasuke in speed, sasuke with CM is faster though, but he is definately as fast as lee without weights, give us proof he is'nt

ctfu at you comparing naruto who pulled out some kyubbi chakra to kn1 or kn2 whatever was at vote.

 

[Uchihakil]

ctfu at you comparing naruto who pulled out some kyubbi chakra to kn1 or kn2 whatever was at vote.

Are you arguing that naruto did'nt use
1. KN0 against neji
2. At vote agaisnt sasuke
3. Neji did'nt keep up
4. KN0 not being as fast as vote sasuke (who used precog to fight)
Which is it, I will gladly provide you with scans to back my claim

 

[NarutoX28]

Regardless, CE KN0 Naruto was fast enough to pressure Neji and prevent him from using his Gentle Fist fighting style despite the fact that CE KN0 Naruto possesses less skill in Taijutsu than Lee does which should imply that KN0 Naruto is quite a bit faster than Unweighted Lee along with the fact that Neji actually could maneuver as fast as CE KN0 Naruto, so Neji shouldn't have that big of an issue maneuvering around Gaara's sand.

 

[Uchihakil]

Regardless, CE KN0 Naruto was fast enough to pressure Neji and prevent him from using his Gentle Fist fighting style despite the fact that CE KN0 Naruto possesses less skill in Taijutsu than Lee does which should imply that KN0 Naruto is quite a bit faster than Unweighted Lee along with the fact that Neji actually could maneuver as fast as CE KN0 Naruto, so Neji shouldn't have that big of an issue maneuvering around Gaara's sand.

Yea KN0 is faster than weightless lee, sasuke can only match KN0 naruto with sharingan

 

[neosmith500]

Regardless, CE KN0 Naruto was fast enough to pressure Neji and prevent him from using his Gentle Fist fighting style despite the fact that CE KN0 Naruto possesses less skill in Taijutsu than Lee does which should imply that KN0 Naruto is quite a bit faster than Unweighted Lee along with the fact that Neji actually could maneuver as fast as CE KN0 Naruto, so Neji shouldn't have that big of an issue maneuvering around Gaara's sand.

Op an a few others labeled me a fanboy for sayin these exact things Lol it the motivation for this thread

 

[Ambivalence]

That hype is lame.
Neji did not instantly cross that. You're using scans that were a chapter apart.

Uhh, yeah, he did.

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I still see no scans of Gaara's sand moving that quick.

You're using A>B>C logic.

Lee said that he needs 5th gate to beat Neji, he didn't say he is slower that him on that form. Neji can still counter Lee's speed despite being slower.

Neji might be faster than the sand, but to actually touch Gaara you need to be a lot faster than it.

No, it implies exactly that. If Lee's weightless speed was enough, or if Neji's reactions were on Gaara's level (low), then weightless Lee would've shitblitz'd Neji way back. Why do you think he needs not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5 Gates to beat Neji? The thing the Gates mostly did for Lee at that time was increase his speed, to the point where it was impossible for a Part 1 character to react. It's either Neji has god-like reactions, or he can move at a close enough to weightless Lee's speed.

Anyway, Part 1 Neji and Part 1 Sasuke have the same point in speed - 3. Sasuke already ran circles around Gaara's sand without any level of CM (databook points don't take into account boosts), and Neji is on par with that Sasuke, so yeah, I'd argue that he does have the speed he needs to land clean blows.

 

[EZQ]

No, it implies exactly that. If Lee's weightless speed was enough, or if Neji's reactions were on Gaara's level (low), then weightless Lee would've shitblitz'd Neji way back. Why do you think he needs not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, but 5 Gates to beat Neji? The thing the Gates mostly did for Lee at that time was increase his speed, to the point where it was impossible for a Part 1 character to react. It's either Neji has god-like reactions, or he can move at a close enough to weightless Lee's speed.

Anyway, Part 1 Neji and Part 1 Sasuke have the same point in speed - 3. Sasuke already ran circles around Gaara's sand without any level of CM (databook points don't take into account boosts), and Neji is on par with that Sasuke, so yeah, I'd argue that he does have the speed he needs to land clean blows.

No, Lee needed to upgrade to 5th gate because his attacks are linear, and to counter Neji's high reflexes and his 360° defence with just raw speed, that speed needs to be enormous.

Neji's movement speed is not on par with Lee without the weights. He wasn't even hyped to be that fast, ever. Lee was the one hyped to be the fastest back then, and everyone was impressed to see Sasuke's speed. Neji's raw speed is not impresive.

He's agile, he has very good reflexes, he's considerablu fast and has 360° defence. Using the example of Lee needing the 5th gate is already adressed.

Neji can't maneouver around Gaara's sand with just speed. He can dodge it sure, and use gentle fist or whatever other tactic to send the sand away, but he's never blindsiding Gaara like Lee or Sasuke.

 

[Icelerate]

Neji can destroy the chakra inside Gaara's gourd sand, making it slower.

 

[Curse Mark]

Uhh, yeah, he did.

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Uhhh are you reading the scans you're posting? Do you not hit him see an ass load of branches on the way down? It's not like he was falling straight to the ground, you have no idea how long he was falling for.

 

[neosmith500]

Under more careful consideration its highly likely that neji can low/mid diff scenario 1.

-With byakugan and pre knowledge of gaara's powers along with the ability to destroy/ destabilize the chakra in chakra based substances , he can effectively sabotage gaara's gourd sand without gaara even having s clue to ways going on until his sand is too soft and slow to save him , this can effectively stop the use of sand dome before it even begins since neji would kill gaara the first chance he gets.

-Neji can also possibly expel the chakra field used against kido to divert his ultra fast arrow and which gave neji sensing , he can freely control the chakra around himself even going so far as to remote control it into his blind spot.

This method can likely be used to dismantle gaara's gourd sand even further when combined with neji assaulting the chakra in gaara sand with every strike and if gaara even tries to counter neji in close quarters with sand then neji can expel a large enough chakra shield about the sizr of his kaiten without the need to rotate

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This can easily stop the sand as even weakened base Lee along with sasuke and naruto tanked hits from his transformed state without much injury , neji doing the same as Lee did here with pure thick chakra would easily stop gaara's sand as that's the inner function of the first stage of kaiten ,stopping shit from hitting you.

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Also stops him from getin sangwedged by sand and adds even more pressure to gaara since he rarely moves and will be forced ti tango with an object that can't easily be moved or forced to evade his sand counters in cqc like sasuke/Lee which is probably why gaara has this not so smug look on his face here , kishi did this for a reason and had gaara's brother lable neji a fellow monster without even seeing a hint of his power.

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Neji wins mid/low diff.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

He doesn't. the neji fanboys thread (in my sig), were claiming he had that feat based off lee's words of "strongest genin is neji" and "best taijutsu users" yada yada yada which somehow means > lee w/o weights. they seem pretty strong about it, so i suppose neji has that feat. idk.

First off need to take my name down or I report you for falsifying information is your choice

 

[Curse Mark]

First off need to take my name down or I report you for falsifying information is your choice

You're an idiot lol he didn't falsify anything. if you click on the quote it brings you to the post where you said it.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

1- Lol.

-People saying Neji beats pt1 Kakashi
-People saying Neji beats Sasori
-People saying Neji beats Gaara (chunnin exams)

Definitely the most overrated character.

Please, enlighten me on how on earth does Neji even beat CE Gaara. He can't bypass his sand defence, and he gets outlasted by Gaara.

2- You being a neji wanker doesn't make me a neji hater

Neji beat sasori easy
Neji beat gaara

Neji is faster then Lee w/o weight and destroy chakra

 

[BLAZE]

Neji beat sasori easy

Hmmmm :wut:

won't ask why becoz the reply will be even more cancerous

 

[neosmith500]

Neji beat sasori easy
Neji beat gaara

Neji is faster then Lee w/o weight and destroy chakra

Bro , jus calm down and don't post on this thread anymore , if anyone wants to debate the topic at hand then let them try to debunk my post.

Sand dome gg

Gaara won't use sand dome off the bat and his gourd sand can be breached and nerfed by jyuken since chakra is added to make it harder/faster etc.

Slow and soft sand = dead gaara in cqc.

-Chakra shield and control forces gaara to fight in a way he's not accustomed to , with his sand being unable to force this enemy to dodge in extremely tight quarters unlike Lee/sasuke.

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If gaara tried wat he did in that scan then neji easily blocks with chakra then gains the upper hand on a puzzled gaara while he would've already had studied the mechanics of his sand jutsu with the byakugan.

-Gaara's slow reactions = him getting godstomped immediately if his sand fails him.

-Gaara rarely moves and will be forced to adjust when faced with the immoveable by his means , chakra shield/kaiten and neji's on point CC while in cqc.

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That's the post u wanted someone to counter so bad?

Since u replying to irrelevant posts let's see u debunk this.