Proof that Third Kazekage > Third Raikage (Actual Explanation inside)

[Sunagura]

if the third kazekage have megnetic force shield like megneto he will be unstoppable...just saying

 

[Negative Knight]

Lol really sci-fi comparing him to Magneto but yeah that would be beyond OP if he could that

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

Well this honestly depends if the kazekage can whip out his iron sand before the raikage speeds over than he has a high chance of winning otherwise im not sure it's a circumstantial fight.

 

[vaibhav16591]

Third Kazekage vs Third Raikage​

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Why the Third Kazekage is stronger than the Third Raikage ?



The main ways the Third Kazekage can combine these things into an overall advantage is:

1) Speed/Distance Advantage
The Third Kazekage can use his Iron sand to fly to give himself a good distance between the Third Raikage. Then he warps the terrain by covering the ground in iron sand to decrease the Third Raikage's speed overall.

The 3rd raikage is known to have a body of steel that can survive teleportation without any aid or trick , a shinobi who's physical toughness is attested by a bijuu and none other than the 2nd strongest bijuu the hachibi the 8 tails... who fainted along with the 3rd raikage bcoz even that bijuu stamina wasn't enough and the raikage kept going as far as the 8 tails went.....

the raikage can traverse any distance within a heartbeat.... his son matched the speed of km naruto so his speed is too great for any kazekage...... moreover the kazekage's so called advantage of iron sand is actually a disadvantage bcoz same as suigetsu's saline water conducted electricity attacks by killer bee and that roasted suigetsu the same will happen to kazekage on his iron sand , the kazekage will be electrocuted U_U



2) Immunity to the Third's Attacks
Being at such a distance gives the Third Kazekage immunity to all melee attacks performed by the Raikage and he can also use the method to divert all of the Third Raikage's projectiles attacks (lightning shots that have a decent range) mainly his black lightning back to the iron covered terrain to use the Third Raikage's own attack against him thus electrocuting him. This prevents the Third Raikage from using his Lightning Release Ninjutsu which makes up for a very large bulk of his attacks.

Fail..... the raikage's speed is too great and the raikage's don't care what hurts them... eg. raikage blasted sasuke straight even when he was in susanoo.... and considering the 3rd raikage's insane stamina and invincible armor he's the one who'll be immune to simple weapons made out of iron..... and magnetism doesn't directly effect electricity it effects iron directly..... moreover the 3rd raikage has dark lightning who's single attack raised hell when used by darui , a jutsu which was taken note of by the kin gin bros when they saw darui , the raikage is sure to cause hell larger damage than darui

Alternative arugments on why the Third Raikage could win:

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1)Lightning's known ability to demagnetize Iron Sand
However it has also been argued that the Third's lightning should be able to demagnitize the Kazekage's Iron but can easily be countered by using his magnet release Kekkei Genkai to remagnitize the iron sand thus recyling it once it has served its purpose.

ok lets start... the raikage demagnetizes and the kazekage remagnitizes who'll win..... U_U the raikage has stamina comparable to the 8 tailed bijuu don't u think any stamina contest will be plain unfair for the kazekage......U_U

2) His Raw Speed, Power and Strength
All of these advantages have tend to be physical, meaning he is lacking in intelletcual feats would be far outsmarted by the Third Kazekage. Not to mention the Kazekage's numerous methods to obtain flight means that there would be little to no physical confrontation in the fight making it so that the Third Raikage cannot exercise any of his advantages.

now this is really bad.....lack of intellect....... he;s the kage of a village and u call him officially a fool.... even naruto has lesser intellect than sasuke , but that doesn't mean he isn't battle smart..... and who told you the 3rd kazekage is smart ... ohh the 3rd might have texted you... this man lost to sasori only to become his puppet....so much for smarts.....the raikage doesn't need to be close to attack he can be close to you whenever he likes.. ask sasuke , madara who are ninjutsu based shinobi even ask km naruto who just wanted to run away from a raikage .... and got blasted with a punch.....this one is really a false claim only to elongate the post!!!!!
3) Third Raikage's impenetrable defense

It is argued that none of the Third Kazekage's attack would pierce his skin, while that being true he has a whole range of attack styles to choose from unlike the Raikage who is dependent on his raw speed and power than simply getting out of range makes him fairly useless.

idiotic.... i say foolish... a man who's body isn't damaged by teleportation , who's armor is regarded as the strongest armor in the world will be pierced by iron weapons...... u need help.....

The Third Kazekage could use these attacks:

-Redirecting the Third Raikage's Lighting Projectiles

Running when the raikage punches his iron ass with his stainless steel fists

-Using his iron sand to enter his body through his nose/mouth causing his lungs to become heavy and suffocate the Raikage.

is the heavy iron sand can't keep up with a old hag chiyoba..... and she effectively avoided all of his attacks on sakura how do you think this guy will even be able to match the raikage's speed....

-Same as the above method only using poisoned iron sand
:flaw::flaw::flaw: poisoned iron ?????????

The Third Kazekage's Elemental Advantages with his Iron Sand

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Immunity to Most Fire Techniques - would become useless in the face of this apart from Madara and a few select other's techniques.

fire melts iron , he was the strongest kazekage but the strongest kage of their time was hiruzen read the manga!!!!!

Immunity - Water would instead of soaking into it like with ordinary sand would just wipe off.

rust anyone..... rust destroys iron..... so water is like his nightmare.....

Immunity - Even the most powerful wind techniques won't do much damage, a hurricane vs a iron house?

I have to agree on this one

Immunity - Earth wouldn't be strong enough to compete with the iron sand

Jinton will reduce iron to nothing
Immunity against Lightning Melee Attacks as they would electrocute the users themselves (excluding the Third Raikage - Lightning Armour)

HUGH FAIL... iron conducts electricity so as soon as iron touches raikage's armor the kazekage will be automatically electrocuted, and anyone who uses raiton will be at advantage..... iron will conduct and if the kazekage is on iron , he'll know what raiton tastes like.....

Weakness against Lightning Projectiles -The iron conducts lightning so the iron sand can't be touching him physically as a Armour otherwise it becomes like a electrified fence/cage.

Weakness against very powerful fire techniques are shown to be strong enough to demagnetize his iron apart from a select few.

Lightning also weakens the Third's Iron Sand as it causes his shield to be become demagnitized as a result meaning he would no longer have control over it. So its desirable if he uses a sand defense against the Third and not a Iron Sand one.

Also if you check the the spoiler tag above on the Third Kazekage's elemental strengths and weaknesses, you would see that whatever other chakra natures the third has would just back fire on him.

The Third Kazekage's Iron Sand Bullets which are propelled by repulsion of the Magnet Release technique could reach speed close to the Third's because of the nature of magnetism, and each hit could be electrocuting until the third's body is worn out by electrocution, not to mention no matter how hard his exterior his heart and brain can only take so much electrocution. Also the speed of which repulsed magnitizied projectiles is absolutely insane that far exceeds the Third's speed meaning it could be possibly fast enough to cause him harm but not penetrate his defense.

OHH MY GAWD..... reach speed close to the raikage... the raikage is just shy of minato's speed of teleportation which is equal to the speed of light...... and i never saw a magnetism that can propel such heavy objects to speed of light... really OMG.....
and the 3rd worn out ???? really before the 3rd worn out a 7 tail bijuu would fall atleast..... bcoz it takes a 8 tail bijuu to wear out the 3rd raikage.....U_U the only one dying from exhaustion is the kazekage.....and the last line is amazing......if the bullets exceed exceed ??? the speed of the raikage.....means the speed of light OMG.....u r helpless.... an armor that has been labelled as the strongest in the manga will be penetrated by iron bullets....

Other points to consider:

Spoiler

Hell Stab is said to be the signature move of the Third Raikage, a superior version of Chidori. By nature its a lightning physical attack that requires direct contact on the person you need to hit.

And the raikage needs noone's permission to hit you..... a quote from the manga says..." the raikage cut all the 8 tails of the hachibi with his hell stab " if the hachibi couldn't stop or block the hell stab ..... really would any bijuu like his tails cut ????? raikage's hell stab could have ended that naruto clone if not for the rubber guy saving him..... what makes you think the kazekage will survive that.....

The Third Kazekage's Iron Armour Defense (ideal shape would be in a incomplete sphere which doesn't touch the ground but has an inside where the 3rd is safely touching the ground)

Yeah.. perfectly ideal for the raikage for some dark lightning business

In scientific terms iron conducts electricity so the lighting for the Hell Stab would electrify the defense to a devastating voltage which would reflect the effects to the user of the Jutsu as the full circuit would circulate and hit the third raikage with his own attack. This only applies if the third is not using Lightning armour as he becomes immune to it.

bro have u heard half knowledge is dangerous.... the same is the case with you please.... don't spread your incomplete knowledge of electricity. and who told you the hell stab would do that.... stop imagining foolish things... he used hell stab on naruto and nothing happened to him.....all that attack does is ... use a raiton chakra coated finger so sharp that nothing is known to stand it ... not even his own armor...


Finally, if the Third's theoretical technique of blood bending turns out to be reality because of iron in the blood means that he's gonna leave before this battle begins...because we all know in the end which of the Kages is gonna win.

the raikage's body is known to be made of steel so before any blood comes out you'll need a bijuu stamina to match this man.... who stood 10000 shinobi for 3 nights and 3 days without food ad water...... and in the end we all know which kage is gonna win

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What do you guys think, who would win the Third Kazekage or the Third Raikage?

i saw your mizukage vs tobimara post.... u listed mizukage's abilities and not an assumed weakness or strength of either.. i was pleased by the gr8 analysis and i +rep you.... but here you seem to be adamant on making the raikage loose a battle which he has already won..... this is a complete disappointment..... ( no -rep though )

 

[Negative Knight]

i saw your mizukage vs tobimara post.... u listed mizukage's abilities and not an assumed weakness or strength of either.. i was pleased by the gr8 analysis and i +rep you.... but here you seem to be adamant on making the raikage loose a battle which he has already won..... this is a complete disappointment..... ( no -rep though )

Lol no believe me i dont want the Raikage to lose on purpose, im just listing the facts and how the underrated Third Kazekage could beat the Third Raikage

Check out the thread again and you'll see the possible ways the Third Raikage could win

 

[vaibhav16591]

Lol no believe me i dont want the Raikage to lose on purpose, im just listing the facts and how the underrated Third Kazekage could beat the Third Raikage

Check out the thread again and you'll see the possible ways the Third Raikage could win

bro check my reply carefully i edited your post ( lazy me ) to answer everything i could

 

[Gouryuuka]

Kind of hard to say on this one. Advantageously, the Sandaime Kazekage has the greatest amount of tools to use against such a tank as the Sandaime Raikage. Particularly because of the Raikage's strong defense, this is hard one to decide on. If we recall from the manga, it was said that he fought against 10,000 fodder ninja for many days. In that enormous group there were bound to be some ninjutsu used against him that, stacked with other ninjutsu from elsewhere, should have killed him sooner. Also, those ninja we probably armed with metallic kunai and shuriken that probably did not work on the Raikage as well. This is due to the basis that his Ultimate Defense is actually the greatest defense next to Susanoo.

This would mean that mere Iron Sand manipulation will not be enough to penetrate the powerful exterior of his body. Yet, you bring up a good point where electrocution could be used to wear down his internals. Despite that, Raikage is Lightning affliated meaning that he would be able to convert any type of voltage into more chakra. This obviously would give him much more stamina to take down the Kazekage.

The strongest asset the Third Kazekage has against the Third Raikage is the advantage of aerial. However, you did forget to mention that the Raikage was also a master of Black Lightning. This could give him the edge to attack the Kazekage no matter where he is. Strangely enough, the Iron Sand would be deadly to the Kazekage if he is hit by this powerful lightning.

The last point I have is about his durability. His only wound on his body was self inflicted by his own Nukite technique. Surviving against a Tailed Beast is a feat that should not be taken lightly. Im sure that he should be able to survive an encounter with the Third Kazekage and his Iron Sand attacks.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

this man lost to sasori only to become his puppet....so much for smarts

sasoris a rare genius so losing doesnt mean hes stupid

armor that has been labelled as the strongest in the manga

his hell stab pierced it so apparently not

fire melts iron

magnetite is what iron sand is, and its melting point is beyond lava.

Why didn't Gaara use his sand this way to defeat the raikage?

edos wont die if suffocated

-Same as the above method only using poisoned iron sand

and why would the third fight like sasori?