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Why the Third Kazekage is stronger than the Third Raikage ?
Hell Stab is said to be the signature move of the Third Raikage, a superior version of Chidori. By nature its a lightning physical attack that requires direct contact on the person you need to hit.
The Third Kazekage's Iron Armour Defense (ideal shape would be in a incomplete sphere which doesn't touch the ground but has an inside where the 3rd is safely touching the ground)
In scientific terms iron conducts electricity so the lighting for the Hell Stab would electrify the defense to a devastating voltage which would reflect the effects to the user of the Jutsu as the full circuit would circulate and hit the third raikage with his own attack. This only applies if the third is not using Lightning armour as he becomes immune to it.
Also this would make the defense even stronger as the Third Raikage took the liberty of adding a lethal electric fence (if the iron withstands).
Overall if the Third Kazekage were to disperse iron sand along the floor it would prevent the Third Raikage from using any of his lightning release techniques which make up for the large bulk of his ninjutsu.
Strengths and Weaknesses against Other Elements (Third Kazekage's Iron Sand)
Immunity to Fire Techniques - would become useless in the face of this apart from Madara and a few select other's techniques.
Weakness against very powerful fire techniques are shown to be strong enough to demagnetize his iron apart from a select few.
Immunity - Water would instead of soaking into it like with ordinary sand would just wipe off.
Immunity - Even the most powerful wind techniques won't do much damage, a hurricane vs a iron house?
Immunity - Earth wouldn't be strong enough to compete with the iron sand
Immunity against Lightning Melee Attacks as they would electrocute the users themselves
Weakness against Lightning Projectiles -The iron conducts lightning so the iron sand can't be touching him physically as a Armour otherwise it becomes like a electrified fence/cage.
Lightning also weakens the Third's Iron Sand as it causes his shield to be become demagnitized as a result meaning he would no longer have control over it. So its desirable if he uses a sand defense against the Third and not a Iron Sand one.
Also if you check the the spoiler tag above on the Third Kazekage's elemental strengths and weaknesses, you would see that whatever other chakra natures the third has would just back fire on him.
The main way the Third Kazekage can combine these things into an overall advantage is:
First use his Iron sand to fly to give himself a good distance between the Third Raikage. Then he warps the terrain by covering the ground in iron sand to decrease the Third Raikage's speed overall. Next he can use the method mentioned in the first point to divert all of the Third Raikage's projectiles attacks (lightning shots that have a decent range) mainly his black lightning back to the iron covered terrain to use the Third Raikage's own attack against him thus electrocuting him.
The Third Kazekage's Iron Sand Bullets which are propelled by repulsion of the Magnet Release technique could reach speed close to the Third's because of the nature of magnetism, and each hit could be electrocuting until the third's body is worn out by electrocution, not to mention no matter how hard his exterior his heart and brain can only take so much electrocution. Also the speed of which repulsed magnitizied projectiles is absolutely insane that far exceeds the Third's speed meaning it could be possibly fast enough to cause him harm but not penetrate his defense.
Finally, the Third's theoretical technique of blood bending because of iron in the blood means that he's gonna leave before this battle begins...because we all know in the end which of the Kages is gonna win.
For those who didn't read basically The Third Raikage electrocutes himself over and over till his brain can't take it
Magneto >>>> Beast
Who do you guys think is stronger between these two Kages and give reasons?
Nice your theory is good and yes the third kazekage could beat the third raikage because sand can used to protect yourself from the third raikage attacks ... and iron sand could be strong enough to protect himself and infilct damage to the third raikage
The raikage is fast ..... as we have seen with A speed but sasuke manage to protect himself with susanoo so if the ultima defensee with iron infusing is strong enoughor he could fly so that the raikge can attack him .. the raikage can do sheat about that ...
The only problem i see is the Kohaku no Jōhei if the third raikage uses that is game over .....
So it only maters if the third raiakge has the Kohaku no Jōhei if he has that the third kazegake will have no chance
Lol ok on to my other 3 points on why the 3rd Kazekage would have the advantage in this battle
1)Iron conducts electricity
The fact that iron conducts electricity means that he is able to use it in the same way the lightning receiving mechanism which safely get rid of an immense amount of electricity by charging it back into the earth to be dispersed. Basically this means any projectiles the raikage shoots at the Third Kazekage could be easily diverted into iron rod mechanisms which just transmit it safely back to earth.
With this same method the Kazekage could divert a Kirin successfully from sasuke.
2)Range of the Battle
The kazekage could either fly with his sand much like Gaara or have the other option of wearing iron on his soles so that he can use his magnet release to repulse him into the air (as long as it exceeds the force of gravity) meaning he could fight from a safe distance and not worry about the Raikage's main and devastating melee attacks e.g. hell stab whilst simultaneously guarding himself from projectiles with the method mentioned my first point.
3)Ability to warp the Terrain
The Third Kazekage could use large amounts of iron sand to cover the ground to serve several purposes in the battle.
1) It would significantly decrease the speed of the Third Raikage compared to travelling on a normal ground.
2) The Third Kazekage can use several traps because controlling the terrain meaning an overall control of the environement in the battle e.g. catching the third Raikage in a iron sand trap surprisingly which restrains his body.
The main way the Third Kazekage can combine these 3 things into an overall advantage is:
First use his Iron sand to fly to give himself a good distance between the Third Raikage. Then he warps the terrain by covering the ground in iron sand to decrease the Third Raikage's speed overall. Next he can use the method mentioned in the first point to divert all of the Third Raikage's projectiles attacks (lightning shots that have a decent range) mainly his black lightning back to the iron covered terrain to use the Third Raikage's own attack against him thus electrocuting him.
1). Yes iron / metal condenses electricity BUT that can also be used Against the Kazekaze..if the Kazekage tries to defend himself with iron sand. then all that will be needed i a lightening attack to break him down. In this Raikage has the bigger advantage.
2.) Now about the flying.. It is not really that much of a OP move . All Kazekages have the power to do this. YET they are not the strongest. I mean they can just fly and cause a sand tsunami and the other guy is dead.. But there are ways to counter this. 1. Don't let the kazekage get up from the start 2. Use something as a boost to jump high (because sand cannot fly that high). But Flying is a advantage to the Kaze kage.
3. Yes he can change the terrain and lay traps. BUT you do realize hes gonna need time for that. WHICH Raikage with his speed and stamina and durability is not gonna give him.
4. Now that is a good scenario.. BUT the Raikage can just use his speed and damage the Kazekage before he starts flying . And also, The Raikage has the durability to last for 3 and half days. while the Kazekage's techniques will Consume alot of his chakras. But the thing is iron will not make that big of a impact against the Raikage's lightening Armor.
1). Yes iron / metal condenses electricity BUT that can also be used Against the Kazekaze..if the Kazekage tries to defend himself with iron sand. then all that will be needed i a lightening attack to break him down. In this Raikage has the bigger advantage.
2.) Now about the flying.. It is not really that much of a OP move . All Kazekages have the power to do this. YET they are not the strongest. I mean they can just fly and cause a sand tsunami and the other guy is dead.. But there are ways to counter this. 1. Don't let the kazekage get up from the start 2. Use something as a boost to jump high (because sand cannot fly that high). But Flying is a advantage to the Kaze kage.
3. Yes he can change the terrain and lay traps. BUT you do realize hes gonna need time for that. WHICH Raikage with his speed and stamina and durability is not gonna give him.
4. Now that is a good scenario.. BUT the Raikage can just use his speed and damage the Kazekage before he starts flying . And also, The Raikage has the durability to last for 3 and half days. while the Kazekage's techniques will Consume alot of his chakras. But the thing is iron will not make that big of a impact against the Raikage's lightening Armor.
1) The Third Kazekage has iron to restrain the Third Raikage much like gaara's ordinary sand, i can't remember what Manga chapter but i'll be sure to find it eventually
2) The flying is OP against the Third Raikage simply because he specializes in close combat and his lightning projectiles can easily be used against him at that range with the explanation i provided.
3) The Third Kazekage wouldn't let his iron sand touch him meaning the iron conducting electricity wouldn't really act as a disadvantage
4) As for controlling the the Terrain, its really simple he restrains the raikage, gets a very good distance into the air and brings out a clump of extremely condensed iron sand he then repulses it so it can split and cover the terrain for a good distance.
5) After the Terrain is set it would be like controlling the variables itself not to mention making countless traps.
6) Finally i found out the Third Raikage can be fully contained as when Gaara constricted him with his sand, the Third Raikage couldn't move and needed help from one of the other kages to free him.
All the abilities you give the 3rd kazekage are theoretical. :flaw: The only ability the 3rd kazekgae has without doubt is his iron sand. In Naruto, characters lungs don't get filled with sand- characters get buried 100 feet deep in the sand and then break back out (i.e. Kimimaro vs. Gaara). You might say I'm being stubborn, but really, why don't water-style ninja always drown their opponents? Surely water could be forced into an opponents mouth. Shino could fill an opponents lungs with bugs, Akamaru could use 'dynamic marking' and fill someone's lungs, in theory every shinobi could suffocate evry opponent they're faced with. Obviously you'll cling to the idea that only the 3rd kazekage has this potential...
1) The Third Kazekage has iron to restrain the Third Raikage much like gaara's ordinary sand, i can't remember what Manga chapter but i'll be sure to find it eventually
2) The flying is OP against the Third Raikage simply because he specializes in close combat and his lightning projectiles can easily be used against him at that range with the explanation i provided.
3) The Third Kazekage wouldn't let his iron sand touch him meaning the iron conducting electricity wouldn't really act as a disadvantage
4) As for controlling the the Terrain, its really simple he restrains the raikage, gets a very good distance into the air and brings out a clump of extremely condensed iron sand he then repulses it so it can split and cover the terrain for a good distance.
5) After the Terrain is set it would be like controlling the variables itself not to mention making countless traps.
6) Finally i found out the Third Raikage can be fully contained as when Gaara constricted him with his sand, the Third Raikage couldn't move and needed help from one of the other kages to free him.
Yeah the Third Raikage can shoot lightning but the mere fact that iron conducts electricity and the Third Kazekage can fly means he can redirect it into the iron sand covered terrain and shock the Raikage himself.
I'm sure the Kazekage isn't weak enough to die before he gets into the air, come he's the Kazekage Lol
Also he's a genius, if anyone is going to screw up it would most likely be the Third Raikage as the Third Kazekage would exploit a weakness like a cooking a turkey for thanks giving (i have no idea what that means).
Also if anything the Third Kazekage can trap the Third Raikage in a massive Iron Ball with multiple layers that stack to use as a diversion in order for him to buy himself enough time to get himself safely into the air.
Yeah the Third Raikage can shoot lightning but the mere fact that iron conducts electricity and the Third Kazekage can fly means he can redirect it into the iron sand covered terrain and shock the Raikage himself.
I'm sure the Kazekage isn't weak enough to die before he gets into the air, come he's the Kazekage Lol
Also he's a genius, if anyone is going to screw up it would most likely be the Third Raikage as the Third Kazekage would exploit a weakness like a cooking a turkey for thanks giving (i have no idea what that means).
Also if anything the Third Kazekage can trap the Third Raikage in a massive Iron Ball with multiple layers that stack to use as a diversion in order for him to buy himself enough time to get himself safely into the air.
Despite the fact that Gaara can constrict the Raikage it is unlikely that his father can, Gaara's sand is one of the strongest in NU, and has earned itself the title of "The True Ultimate Defense" given by Naruto.
I think the best thing that the Kazekage can do is try and wear the Raikage down with iron mist, this would reduce the Raikages speed slowly but surely and create an opening, there is no way for him to defend against a constant stream of this, he can not hold his breath for 3 days, even if he can tank for that long.
Because he automatically tried to sneak in a win for the raikage vs sasori when it can be debated...when i was origanally discussing raikage vs kazekage:sy:
I really hope someone didnt just throw me into a squabble of Horseshit lol
3rd raikage > 3rd kazekage in general.
until we see more of the 3rd kazekages abilities in the manga....blood bending is not valued in this argument because it wasnt shown,
from what IS shown from both ninja...the 3rd raikage is more powerful than the 3rd kazekage....BUT...it would still be very high difficulty..
ALSO the third kazekage would win if it was a cave like that hideout they fought sasori....it seems the raikage needs an open battleground to utilize his true speeds, otherwise his movements are limited to a lesser speed than before....
and the kazekages moves however will be perfect for a battle in this setting because he can spam more of his bigger magnet release tech. with less time to dodge the attack because of a smaller environment...
to me i think it all depends on the environment for those 2.....:shrug:
Because he automatically tried to sneak in a win for the raikage vs sasori when it can be debated...when i was origanally discussing raikage vs kazekage:sy:
LOL, Personally id give the edge to the raikage
I really hope someone didnt just throw me into a squabble of Horseshit lol
3rd raikage > 3rd kazekage in general.
until we see more of the 3rd kazekages abilities in the manga....blood bending is not valued in this argument because it wasnt shown,
from what IS shown from both ninja...the 3rd raikage is more powerful than the 3rd kazekage....BUT...it would still be very high difficulty..
ALSO the third kazekage would win if it was a cave like that hideout they fought sasori....it seems the raikage needs an open battleground to utilize his true speeds, otherwise his movements are limited to a lesser speed than before....
and the kazekages moves however will be perfect for a battle in this setting because he can spam more of his bigger magnet release tech. with less time to dodge the attack because of a smaller environment...
to me i think it all depends on the environment for those 2.....:shrug:
Because he automatically tried to sneak in a win for the raikage vs sasori when it can be debated...when i was origanally discussing raikage vs kazekage:sy:
LOL, Personally id give the edge to the raikage
I really hope someone didnt just throw me into a squabble of Horseshit lol
3rd raikage > 3rd kazekage in general.
until we see more of the 3rd kazekages abilities in the manga....blood bending is not valued in this argument because it wasnt shown,
from what IS shown from both ninja...the 3rd raikage is more powerful than the 3rd kazekage....BUT...it would still be very high difficulty..
ALSO the third kazekage would win if it was a cave like that hideout they fought sasori....it seems the raikage needs an open battleground to utilize his true speeds, otherwise his movements are limited to a lesser speed than before....
and the kazekages moves however will be perfect for a battle in this setting because he can spam more of his bigger magnet release tech. with less time to dodge the attack because of a smaller environment...
to me i think it all depends on the environment for those 2.....:shrug:
Being more contained only means that the 3rd raikage's speed will be more effective at bringing him into range of the kazekage. Knowing how easily the 3rd kazekage's technique destroyed the surroundings when Sakura was slapping aside the iron sand and knocking it into the walls, it also becomes highly unlikely that being in a cave like that would hinder the raikage at all. It is likely the raikage has the strength to smash the walls, but it's certain his hellstab could remove any obstacles in his way. The kazekage needs a miracle, not just an advantageous setting to get through this fight.
Being more contained only means that the 3rd raikage's speed will be more effective at bringing him into range of the kazekage. Knowing how easily the 3rd kazekage's technique destroyed the surroundings when Sakura was slapping aside the iron sand and knocking it into the walls, it also becomes highly unlikely that being in a cave like that would hinder the raikage at all. It is likely the raikage has the strength to smash the walls, but it's certain his hellstab could remove any obstacles in his way. The kazekage needs a miracle, not just an advantageous setting to get through this fight.
and why do you say that? Present your argument and i'll show you a simple counter to everything you say. I wont even quote any theortical techniques just normal uses of iron sand.
and why do you say that? Present your argument and i'll show you a simple counter to everything you say. I wont even quote any theortical techniques just normal uses of iron sand.
I don't have much else to say, I've already gone over the reasons that show the 3rd raikage would defeat the 3rd kazekage.
You have yet to present reasons that the 3rd kazekage can defeat the 3rd raikage by using only conventional uses of iron sand, as seen in the battle between Sasori's human puppet vs. Chiyo/Sakura. Feel free to provide us with your thoughts, after all this is your thread. Your counter arguments to my post before weren't credible.
I also am still skeptical on this debate anyways...i wanna see what the kazekage can do when hes not a puppet....thats my reasonings..otherwise its the 3rd raikage....
and to the other quote...yes it does matter where the setting is for the kazekage it can change how the battle pans out....(would sasoris battle with chiyo and sakura be as intense if it was in the open like a grassplains?) and yes you have a point the cave was destroyed..but that wasnt instantaneous....it took awhile for it to be nuked..
Still going with a stalemate or a win for the raikage
1)Iron conducts electricity
The fact that iron conducts electricity means that he is able to use it in the same way the lightning receiving mechanism which safely get rid of an immense amount of electricity by charging it back into the earth to be dispersed. Basically this means any projectiles the raikage shoots at the Third Kazekage could be easily diverted into iron rod mechanisms which just transmit it safely back to earth.
With this same method the Kazekage could divert a Kirin successfully from sasuke.
2)Range of the Battle
The kazekage could either fly with his sand much like Gaara or have the other option of wearing iron on his soles so that he can use his magnet release to repulse him into the air (as long as it exceeds the force of gravity) meaning he could fight from a safe distance and not worry about the Raikage's main and devastating melee attacks e.g. hell stab whilst simultaneously guarding himself from projectiles with the method mentioned my first point.
3)Ability to warp the Terrain
The Third Kazekage could use large amounts of iron sand to cover the ground to serve several purposes in the battle.
1) It would significantly decrease the speed of the Third Raikage compared to travelling on a normal ground.
2) The Third Kazekage can use several traps because controlling the terrain meaning an overall control of the environement in the battle e.g. catching the third Raikage in a iron sand trap surprisingly which restrains his body.
The main way the Third Kazekage can combine these 3 things into an overall advantage is:
Ok these three reasons can be combined into this advantageous scenario
First use his Iron sand to fly to give himself a good distance between the Third Raikage. Then he warps the terrain by covering the ground in iron sand to decrease the Third Raikage's speed overall. Next he can use the method mentioned in the first point to divert all of the Third Raikage's projectiles attacks (lightning shots that have a decent range) mainly his black lightning back to the iron covered terrain to use the Third Raikage's own attack against him thus electrocuting him.
Also you claim the Third Raikage is this unstoppable brute but he was restrained by gaara's sand and was broken out by one of the other edo's so he could continue his destruction
Being immune to the Third Raikage's Attacks whilst simultaneously knocking them back at him is the key to defeating the Raikage as apparently his own strength is only enough to pierce his armour/harm him significantly
Ok these three reasons can be combined into this advantageous scenario
First use his Iron sand to fly to give himself a good distance between the Third Raikage. Then he warps the terrain by covering the ground in iron sand to decrease the Third Raikage's speed overall. Next he can use the method mentioned in the first point to divert all of the Third Raikage's projectiles attacks (lightning shots that have a decent range) mainly his black lightning back to the iron covered terrain to use the Third Raikage's own attack against him thus electrocuting him.
Also you claim the Third Raikage is this unstoppable brute but he was restrained by gaara's sand and was broken out by one of the other edo's so he could continue his destruction
Being immune to the Third Raikage's Attacks whilst simultaneously knocking them back at him is the key to defeating the Raikage as apparently his own strength is only enough to pierce his armour/harm him significantly
The raikage won't be harmed by his own techniques other than the hell stab. You're still talking hypotheticaly here though. You assume the kazekage is immune to lightning, but this was never stated in the manga. You think he can block kirin with the iron sand... but you have absolutely no reason to think this. You think the 3rd kazekage can coat the terrain in iron sand, but if he were to do this what would he use to fight with? He only has a limited amount of iron sand. His iron sand isn't the commonplace sand that Gaara uses, so he can't just conjure up a vast desert of iron sand by grinding the minerals in the soil into sand. You are just assuming that the kazekage has all these abilities, when we've seen none of them. From what we know, the 3rd kazekage's strongest use of the iron sand is shown here:
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That is what you have to work with, enough of your fan fiction techniques... Blocking Kirin..:flaw:
