Proof that Third Kazekage > Third Raikage (Actual Explanation inside)

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Third raikage would go:

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That is all U_U

 

[KingHashirama]

HAshirama is not a "genius" like Minato or Kazekage.. but even Hashirama can beat those 2 ;x.

4th Raikage can also beat Gaara ;x and probably tie it with the 4th kazekage.


This will just be on the scenario. But if the third Raikage sees even lil mistake Kazekage is done for. (before i do not think he is physically strong)

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Until they show more of 3rd kazekages abilities...3rd Raikage will win the popular vote no questions asked...sorry..!

 

[Maunten]

Can we get an idea of how intelligent either of them was?

 

[Negative Knight]

Can we get an idea of how intelligent either of them was?

Yeah the Third Raikage was average if you discounted his senseless charging into battle

The Third Kazekage was hailed as a genius who studied the One Tail's powers like Minato studied the Nine Tails and made his own Kekkei Genkai from it

 

[Maunten]

Yeah the Third Raikage was average if you discounted his senseless charging into battle

The Third Kazekage was hailed as a genius who studied the One Tail's powers like Minato studied the Nine Tails and made his own Kekkei Genkai from it

Right well I get that the Kazekage is a more brilliant thinker, but how is both of their battle prowess?

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Right well I get that the Kazekage is a more brilliant thinker, but how is both of their battle prowess?

well THE KAZE KAGE WAS KILLED soo we have no idea...
the raikage was a berserker ninja when he was in EDO but himslef we dunno

honestly this argument is over 2 days ago...none of them we have seen when they werent being used or controlled...needs to be an ova to prove anything beyond a doubt

 

[Negative Knight]

Lol Shikamaru is considered to be average without his Intelligence but such a threat with it

The Third Kazekage is the same only his iron sand is equally as deadly

 

[hearteaterx]

Lol Shikamaru is considered to be average without his Intelligence but such a threat with it

The Third Kazekage is the same only his iron sand is equally as deadly

Now you're comparing the 3rd kazekage's intelligence to Shikamaru, and you still don't have any proof to back up your fantastic claims.

 

[Negative Knight]

Your sticking too strictly to the manga

Just think a little bit, im speculating possible uses not just thinking if it isn't used then its 100% impossible

Plain and simply your argument is the same as "if i can't see it, then it doesn't exist"

Not to mention it was clearly stated that he was a genius

Please bring a arugment on the Third Raikage instead of claiming that iron sand can not be manipulated into someone's nose/mouth or something similar.

I would understand if sand was too large or something similar but it isn't

You just don't think enough for yourself

 

[hearteaterx]

Your sticking too strictly to the manga

Just think a little bit, im speculating possible uses not just thinking if it isn't used then its 100% impossible

Plain and simply your argument is the same as "if i can't see it, then it doesn't exist"

Not to mention it was clearly stated that he was a genius

Please bring a arugment on the Third Raikage instead of claiming that iron sand can not be manipulated into someone's nose/mouth or something similar.

I would understand if sand was too large or something similar but it isn't

You just don't think enough for yourself

Okay, well according to you Zabuza can defeat either one of them, because he can just manipulate water and put it in their nose and mouth. Sticking to the manga means using the logic of the Narutoverse, not reality's logic.

 

[Negative Knight]

Okay, well according to you Zabuza can defeat either one of them, because he can just manipulate water and put it in their nose and mouth. Sticking to the manga means using the logic of the Narutoverse, not reality's logic.

LOL that was a bad counter argument, water in your nose and mouth means you drown.

Not to mention sand can be used in small quantities to be used with the person your fighting against not noticing because of the intensity of the battle or being occupied with anything else.

Also the Naruto verse does stick logic to some extent

Water conducts electricity, so does Iron

Water makes people drown

Iron sand is small enough to fit through holes in the body e.g. mouth and nose

 

[hearteaterx]

LOL that was a bad counter argument, water in your nose and mouth means you drown.

Not to mention sand can be used in small quantities to be used with the person your fighting against not noticing because of the intensity of the battle or being occupied with anything else.

Also the Naruto verse does stick logic to some extent

Water conducts electricity, so does Iron

Water makes people drown

Iron sand is small enough to fit through holes in the body e.g. mouth and nose

I know water makes people drown. The same way anything (i.e. iron sand, which was your example) that creates an obstruction in the throat/lungs that prevents you to breathe will suffocate you.

Surely if you think the 3rd kazekage can suffocate anyone with iron sand, you'll admit that any ninja can defeat the 3rd raikage?
Zabuza can manipulate water, so apparently he can drown the raikage.
Shino manipulates insects, he could suffocate raikage.
Konan uses paper, she could suffocate raikage...
My counter-argument is that if it was so easy to suffocate someone in the Narutoverse, why aren't 99% of the battles ended in suffocating?

 

[Negative Knight]

I know water makes people drown. The same way anything (i.e. iron sand, which was your example) that creates an obstruction in the throat/lungs that prevents you to breathe will suffocate you.

Surely if you think the 3rd kazekage can suffocate anyone with iron sand, you'll admit that any ninja can defeat the 3rd raikage?
Zabuza can manipulate water, so apparently he can drown the raikage.
Shino manipulates insects, he could suffocate raikage.
Konan uses paper, she could suffocate raikage...
My counter-argument is that if it was so easy to suffocate someone in the Narutoverse, why aren't 99% of the battles ended in suffocating?

None of these moves are subtle, what kind of idiot stands there when visible insects are going up his nose? Paper is binding, the third raikage would break that with ease i mean it wont even take a per cent of his strength. He would be too durable and im sure he can escape the water prison. Very few things can hold him except as shown in the manga Gaara binding him with his sand.

Iron sand is subtle, makes the lungs heavy and is difficult to see grain by grain

For example if the Third Raikage wasn't smart enough to use his lightning techniques to electrify himself or even better his Lightning release armour he would lose to Deidara's clay bombs.

Ok another technique the Third Kazekage can use:

He can use his sand to fly as shown by gaara

He can lace his shoes with iron sand and repulse himself from the iron layered terrain (a very thin layer of iron sand spread over a good sized landscape)

Overall the Third Kazekage can use this method to beat the Raikage if suffocating him is too far fetched:

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1)Iron conducts electricity
The fact that iron conducts electricity means that he is able to use it in the same way the lightning receiving mechanism which safely get rid of an immense amount of electricity by charging it back into the earth to be dispersed. Basically this means any projectiles the raikage shoots at the Third Kazekage could be easily diverted into iron rod mechanisms which just transmit it safely back to earth.

With this same method the Kazekage could divert a Kirin successfully from sasuke.

2)Range of the Battle

The kazekage could either fly with his sand much like Gaara or have the other option of wearing iron on his soles so that he can use his magnet release to repulse him into the air (as long as it exceeds the force of gravity) meaning he could fight from a safe distance and not worry about the Raikage's main and devastating melee attacks e.g. hell stab whilst simultaneously guarding himself from projectiles with the method mentioned my first point.


3)Ability to warp the Terrain
The Third Kazekage could use large amounts of iron sand to cover the ground to serve several purposes in the battle.

1) It would significantly decrease the speed of the Third Raikage compared to travelling on a normal ground.

2) The Third Kazekage can use several traps because controlling the terrain meaning an overall control of the environement in the battle e.g. catching the third Raikage in a iron sand trap surprisingly which restrains his body.


The main way the Third Kazekage can combine these 3 things into an overall advantage is:

Ok these three reasons can be combined into this advantageous scenario

First use his Iron sand to fly to give himself a good distance between the Third Raikage. Then he warps the terrain by covering the ground in iron sand to decrease the Third Raikage's speed overall. Next he can use the method mentioned in the first point to divert all of the Third Raikage's projectiles attacks (lightning shots that have a decent range) mainly his black lightning back to the iron covered terrain to use the Third Raikage's own attack against him thus electrocuting him.

Also you claim the Third Raikage is this unstoppable brute but he was restrained by gaara's sand and was broken out by one of the other edo's so he could continue his destruction

Being immune to the Third Raikage's Attacks whilst simultaneously knocking them back at him is the key to defeating the Raikage as apparently his own strength is only enough to pierce his armour/harm him significantly

 

[hearteaterx]

None of these moves are subtle, what kind of idiot stands there when visible insects are going up his nose? Paper is binding, the third raikage would break that with ease i mean it wont even take a per cent of his strength. He would be too durable and im sure he can escape the water prison. Very few things can hold him except as shown in the manga Gaara binding him with his sand.

Iron sand is subtle, makes the lungs heavy and is difficult to see grain by grain

For example if the Third Raikage wasn't smart enough to use his lightning techniques to electrify himself or even better his Lightning release armour he would lose to Deidara's clay bombs.

Ok another technique the Third Kazekage can use:

He can use his sand to fly as shown by gaara

He can lace his shoes with iron sand and repulse himself from the iron layered terrain (a very thin layer of iron sand spread over a good sized landscape)

Overall the Third Kazekage can use this method to beat the Raikage if suffocating him is too far fetched:
Ok these three reasons can be combined into this advantageous scenario

First use his Iron sand to fly to give himself a good distance between the Third Raikage. Then he warps the terrain by covering the ground in iron sand to decrease the Third Raikage's speed overall. Next he can use the method mentioned in the first point to divert all of the Third Raikage's projectiles attacks (lightning shots that have a decent range) mainly his black lightning back to the iron covered terrain to use the Third Raikage's own attack against him thus electrocuting him.

Also you claim the Third Raikage is this unstoppable brute but he was restrained by gaara's sand and was broken out by one of the other edo's so he could continue his destruction

Being immune to the Third Raikage's Attacks whilst simultaneously knocking them back at him is the key to defeating the Raikage as apparently his own strength is only enough to pierce his armour/harm him significantly

Well if you think iron sand forcibly entering the raikage's nose and mouth is more subtle than insects, water, or paper, this is just going to devolve into an opinion argument.

Really now- why is iron sand more subtle than water, or any other medium that ninjas control in Naruto? Why didn't Gaara use his sand this way to defeat the raikage?

 

[Negative Knight]

Well if you think iron sand forcibly entering the raikage's nose and mouth is more subtle than insects, water, or paper, this is just going to devolve into an opinion argument.

Really now- why is iron sand more subtle than water, or any other medium that ninjas control in Naruto? Why didn't Gaara use his sand this way to defeat the raikage?

Because iron sand is readily in grain form meaning if he does it slowly and progressively with each of his attacks which look like they are designed to harm eventually the amount would be enough

The idea of being undead is that you can't be killed again, at least that's the case for Edo's

why would Gaara suffocate a Edo who isn't dependent as far as we know on blood circulation or even oxygen?

Because normal sand is not heavy enough to make the lungs become weighted

Not to mention Kishi simply hasn't given gaara the thought of doing it, it would be too easy a win and not climactic enough. Its like a auto-win technique against many rivals.

 

[hearteaterx]

Because iron sand is readily in grain form meaning if he does it slowly and progressively with each of his attacks which look like they are designed to harm eventually the amount would be enough

The idea of being undead is that you can't be killed again, at least that's the case for Edo's

why would Gaara suffocate a Edo who isn't dependent as far as we know on blood circulation or even oxygen?

Because normal sand is not heavy enough to make the lungs become weighted

Not to mention Kishi simply hasn't given gaara the thought of doing it, it would be too easy a win and not climactic enough. Its like a auto-win technique against many rivals.

If you say s0.

 

[Negative Knight]

Does that mean the debate is over?

Well good debating with you

but a final argument from you would of been good

 

[jafar]

oh but still the 3rd kazekage has his iron sand as mentioned on the thread so yea i believe theoretically 3rd kazekage would win U.U

 

[LBeezy]

Third Kazekage > Third Raikage.
Of course it can be debatable.
But with your proof on the first page. You've got my vote. No one has really stated anything that makes me believe other wise. Lol
So for now, I'll agree that the Third Kazekage > Third Raikage. Haha