Proof that Second Mizukage > Second Hokage (Actual Explanation Inside)

[Deadai]

His jutsu... ^.^ Naruto already uses a forbidden jutsu =]. Tobirama is the one who made it forbidden so he can un-forbid it to

That would make Tobirama a hypocrite

Tobirama: no one in the village is allowed to use this jutsu its to dangerious there for I forbid it.

Tobirama: *uses edo tensei anyway*

Yeah I don't see that happening

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol re-read the thread you will see there aren't any theortical techniques

e.g. if its a completely water based terrain, he'll take this without much difficulty

If its a terrain close to water then he still gains the advantage

Also did you read my point on teleportation by the Second Mizukage?

Here it is:


-Teleportation (if the terrain is covered in water)
If the Terrain as a substantially large water source nearby or itself is a water source, then the Hozuki nature transformation can be used to travel into the water and reappear anywhere in the given water source quicker even than the flying thunder god technique as soon as the caster of the jutsu includes themselves into the water source, they are already anywhere and everywhere on the battlefield.

"It was said he wielded the sword of the thunder God".

Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air or producing it from his mouth, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This amongst other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.[9]

... Greatest known water release manipulator in the series. ;]

 

[KingHashirama]

That would make Tobirama a hypocrite

Tobirama: no one in the village is allowed to use this jutsu its to dangerious there for I forbid it.

Tobirama: *uses edo tensei anyway*

Yeah I don't see that happening

Hes already used it before. god. again Naruto uses a forbidden technique all the time

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

So true, people's main argument tends to be:

-We don't know the extent of his S/t Ninjutsu

-We haven't seen him use Edo Tensei

Its basically a argument used to back out of a losing fight in argument

Thanks for highlighting that

Yes all you have to do is put two and two together if he could use any sort of s/t by himself he most likely trained and got proficient with it and there arent any variations of edo besides the fact that you bind the soul with a talisman and take complete control so dont know whats the bases argument are against him and now since there are alot of people jumping on the tsunade bandwagon because of her healing abilities im seeing alot of he is the weakest hokage threads and post

 

[Deadai]

Hes already used it before. god. again Naruto uses a forbidden technique all the time

Just took a look on narupidia on the rasengan didn't see any mentions of it being forbidden.

yes Tobirama invented it and probably used it slightly but afterwords made the jutsu forbidden because he saw how it could be used wrongly. A kage wouldn't use forbidden jutsu if they are the one who made it forbidden in the first place not only that but it would make the kage using the forbidden jutsu look bad.

 

[Negative Knight]

Yes all you have to do is put two and two together if he could use any sort of s/t by himself he most likely trained and got proficient with it and there arent any variations of edo besides the fact that you bind the soul with a talisman and take complete control so dont know whats the bases argument are against him and now since there are alot of people jumping on the tsunade bandwagon because of her healing abilities im seeing alot of he is the weakest hokage threads and post

That is the most irritating thing pitting him against Tsunade

Even with his current abilities, his hype and being the brother of the strongest shinobi ever (excluding Sage and sons) is enough to completely overwhelm her.

His S/T means he can be anywhere and everywhere on the battle field.

Edo would just do away with her

Lack of Elemental Ninjutsu attacks mean she loses low diff

Not to mention all the untold things he can (possibility) as we've already seen what Tsunade can do at her limit (madara fight)

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

That is the most irritating thing pitting him against Tsunade

Even with his current abilities, his hype and being the brother of the strongest shinobi ever (excluding Sage and sons) is enough to completely overwhelm her.

His S/T means he can be anywhere and everywhere on the battle field.

Edo would just do away with her

Lack of Elemental Ninjutsu attacks mean she loses low diff

Not to mention all the untold things he can (possibility) as we've already seen what Tsunade can do at her limit (madara fight)

I know right not many shinobi have great defenses against genjutsu and he probably had a summon where most strong shinobi do boosting him far up in the polls of strongest ninja but peopl say since he didnt display any of those than he is weak but i swear hashirama and the third just havent shown much more they are alot of hype also and this argument is never used with them especially with hiruzen his fight was just awfull yet people think he is the strongest ninja in the series based on hype

 

[Negative Knight]

I know right not many shinobi have great defenses against genjutsu and he probably had a summon where most strong shinobi do boosting him far up in the polls of strongest ninja but peopl say since he didnt display any of those than he is weak but i swear hashirama and the third just havent shown much more they are alot of hype also and this argument is never used with them especially with hiruzen his fight was just awfull yet people think he is the strongest ninja in the series based on hype

Looking back on the Hiruzen vs Hokages fight it was hilarious how Kishi got himself into a contradictory corner

First he made them seem like normal hokages who would test his abliity but not world shattering like his rival (who he beat) Madara

Next he made Minato (the 3rd Coffin) seem like the most deadly, which was stupid given it made Hiruzen scared of Minato and made Hashirama seem weaker than Minato

Not only that but now Kishi to develop the plot probably realizes it was a mistake to resurrect Hashirama and not let him put up enough of a fight or at least not have made Minato seem like a unbeatable power.

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Veti nice post Negative Knight!
MUCH better than you other thread!
Ima +Rep and rate your thread a 4 star

seeing as how we saw BOTH of those kages in edo tensei....(its possible to disscuss them as a hypothetical debate with out the fanboyism) im preety sure we can say the mizukage would win if its a water match up, if the terrain is primarily water based...its the mizukage (IF HE DOES HAVE THAT HOZUKI CLAN TRAIT...I DONT REMEMBER SEEING IT) If the terrain is forest like konaha's...id give the match up as a draw...possibly leaning on tobirama side because he probably has more experince in this terrain..but thats a iffy/maybe for me...you need to add a poll next time!

 

[Negative Knight]

Veti nice post Negative Knight!
MUCH better than you other thread!
Ima +Rep and rate your thread a 4 star

seeing as how we saw BOTH of those kages in edo tensei....(its possible to disscuss them as a hypothetical debate with out the fanboyism) im preety sure we can say the mizukage would win if its a water match up, if the terrain is primarily water based...its the mizukage (IF HE DOES HAVE THAT HOZUKI CLAN TRAIT...I DONT REMEMBER SEEING IT) If the terrain is forest like konaha's...id give the match up as a draw...possibly leaning on tobirama side because he probably has more experince in this terrain..but thats a iffy/maybe for me...you need to add a poll next time!

Lol thanks for the support man! Hopefully your active on this thread like you were on the last one i made

Thanks for the rep

Yeah the Hozuki clan is definitely the one he belongs to and he has the technique you'll see it in the anime more clearly

Lol and believe me i tested a poll, it prevents people from posting their views so i dont bother with them

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Looking back on the Hiruzen vs Hokages fight it was hilarious how Kishi got himself into a contradictory corner

First he made them seem like normal hokages who would test his abliity but not world shattering like his rival (who he beat) Madara

Next he made Minato (the 3rd Coffin) seem like the most deadly, which was stupid given it made Hiruzen scared of Minato and made Hashirama seem weaker than Minato

Not only that but now Kishi to develop the plot probably realizes it was a mistake to resurrect Hashirama and not let him put up enough of a fight or at least not have made Minato seem like a unbeatable power.

Right right he has contradicted himself many of time because if hiruzen or minat was as strong as hyped then then they would rape madara but then he comes back and make madara seem like hes dbz level with all of his techs this is a great manga but plothole and kishi contradicting himself start serious flamewars on this site but you know the greatest excuse they have is the manga doesnt lie without putting any serious logic into their argument and by the way how strong do you think minato is he has shown us hes a genius but i would love to see more of his techs

 

[KingHashirama]

Just took a look on narupidia on the rasengan didn't see any mentions of it being forbidden.

yes Tobirama invented it and probably used it slightly but afterwords made the jutsu forbidden because he saw how it could be used wrongly. A kage wouldn't use forbidden jutsu if they are the one who made it forbidden in the first place not only that but it would make the kage using the forbidden jutsu look bad.

the clone jutsu naruto got from the Scroll of seals..

Scroll of seals = Forbidden ^.^

Also , in a pinch Forbidden techs are allowed just so you know.

 

[Negative Knight]

Right right he has contradicted himself many of time because if hiruzen or minat was as strong as hyped then then they would rape madara but then he comes back and make madara seem like hes dbz level with all of his techs this is a great manga but plothole and kishi contradicting himself start serious flamewars on this site but you know the greatest excuse they have is the manga doesnt lie without putting any serious logic into their argument and by the way how strong do you think minato is he has shown us hes a genius but i would love to see more of his techs

Lol Minato would just overwhelm any and all fodder ninja with his superior speed and S/T

The genius who studied the kybuui and made a technique with the greatest state of chakra manipulation much like the Third Kazkage studying shukaku for his Magnet release.

Minato was probably able to give hashirama a hard time for being the fastest ninja in existence as far as we know, im not saying he would win but Hashirama's senses would have to be heightened to their limit and any false move could mean a hit like the one he landed on tobi which ruined his body and now he needs Zetsu body parts to function

Yeah it would be awesome to see him fight the Fourth Raikage, that is a fight which would be awesome to see in detail

 

[Joki]

I agree with OP and think he put a crapload of effort into this so he should definitely get credit for that. But the only problem is that the 2nd Hokage has hardly had enough screentime to warrant comparing the two.

Hell, the Hokage was said to have some sort of space/time jutsu and also took on 20 Kakashi levels before going down, and create Edo Tensei and the like. We just haven't seen enough of him to judge.

So with that it's only natural IMO that as of yet the Mizukage stomps him, and I think he wins too, but maybe if we learned more about him he'd have potential to be superior. or at least more comparable in terms of techniques, or the way OP compared them. Good post.

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

@Negative Knight it wont let me rep you because apparently your too swaggish...who knows....damn NB sometimes!!
Could i get a link that shows me that the mizukage has the hozuki clans trait?

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Lol Minato would just overwhelm any and all fodder ninja with his superior speed and S/T

The genius who studied the kybuui and made a technique with the greatest state of chakra manipulation much like the Third Kazkage studying shukaku for his Magnet release.

Minato was probably able to give hashirama a hard time for being the fastest ninja in existence as far as we know, im not saying he would win but Hashirama's senses would have to be heightened to their limit and any false move could mean a hit like the one he landed on tobi which ruined his body and now he needs Zetsu body parts to function

Yeah it would be awesome to see him fight the Fourth Raikage, that is a fight which would be awesome to see in detail

You know i like how your making threads about kages that are underated and not really known about most of the base are dumbasses and fanboys i like how you put logic into your arguments and explain how battles csn go either way +rep

 

[Negative Knight]

@Negative Knight it wont let me rep you because apparently your too swaggish...who knows....damn NB sometimes!!
Could i get a link that shows me that the mizukage has the hozuki clans trait?

Here's your link

This is the most reliable source after the manga itself -

You must be registered for see links

I agree with OP and think he put a crapload of effort into this so he should definitely get credit for that. But the only problem is that the 2nd Hokage has hardly had enough screentime to warrant comparing the two.

Hell, the Hokage was said to have some sort of space/time jutsu and also took on 20 Kakashi levels before going down, and create Edo Tensei and the like. We just haven't seen enough of him to judge.

So with that it's only natural IMO that as of yet the Mizukage stomps him, and I think he wins too, but maybe if we learned more about him he'd have potential to be superior. or at least more comparable in terms of techniques, or the way OP compared them. Good post.

Thank you for your well thought out post + Rep man

Also yeah my comparison was a bit unfair as the Second Mizukage gets more info on the thread but Tobirama is known more by everyone and they have a good idea of what he can do already

I only really put Tobirama's die on there to make sure i don't seem biased

You know i like how your making threads about kages that are underated and not really known about most of the base are dumbasses and fanboys i like how you put logic into your arguments and explain how battles csn go either way +rep

Yeah i agree many people don't care about threads like these because of the nature of some members on here who are only here to mock people on troll threads for their apparent lack of intelligence.

Thanks for the rep+

and with the Kage thing, im just doing my job B-)

I'll probably do a Tschuikage one next

 

[aaniq]

I haven't seen second hokage fighting, both have water release, but the fight is between strength, stamina and chakra control which we have not yet witnessed clearly in case of second hokage. Although, in terms of genjutsu, i think mizukage will win the bet as he has yin element, that means genjutsu (like bringer-of-darkness technique) is somewhat useless against mizukage, and it could really make a difference, unless it is countered by tricky use of edo-tensei (which he preferably won't use) and s/t techniques. The battle surely would be quite interesting. Although we need to watch tobirama at full power before running into conclusions.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Here's your link

This is the most reliable source after the manga itself -

You must be registered for see links

Thank you for your well thought out post + Rep man

Also yeah my comparison was a bit unfair as the Second Mizukage gets more info on the thread but Tobirama is known more by everyone and they have a good idea of what he can do already

I only really put Tobirama's die on there to make sure i don't seem biased



Yeah i agree many people don't care about threads like these because of the nature of some members on here who are only here to mock people on troll threads for their apparent lack of intelligence.

Thanks for the rep+

and with the Kage thing, im just doing my job B-)

I'll probably do a Tschuikage one next

Oonoki or muu

 

[Negative Knight]

Oonoki or muu

I'm gonna check out their back stories, techniques and so on

Probably Muu that guy is beast and is less known than Oonki

i'm also going to find have a Kage which is very known which would be a fairly good match up for him e.g. Iron sand + Lightning, Water and Hozuki technique