Proof that Second Mizukage > Second Hokage (Actual Explanation Inside)

[l3m0npl3dg3]

I'm gonna check out their back stories, techniques and so on

Probably Muu that guy is beast and is less known than Oonki

i'm also going to find have a Kage which is very known which would be a fairly good match up for him e.g. Iron sand + Lightning, Water and Hozuki technique

Ok one more thing gaara good or bad matchup for minato

 

[Beetle]

I agree with your points and I think that even after we would find out about Tobirama, Second Mizukage would still seem more powerful. But this mostly depends on his S/T ninjutsu.. which must be slower than Minato because Minato is the fastest ever. If it's anywhere close to FTG, Tobirama will win I would say.

Second Mizukage would be detected during the Mirage Genjutsu because of Tobirama's finger sensing. However, his exploding clone would likely be too much for Tobirama to combat. Because water style attacks aren't going to affect 2nd Mizukage, it depends on Tobirama's ability to use speed to hit Mizukage while he's using the exploding clone. And like I mentioned earlier that depends on his S/T.

 

[Negative Knight]

Ok one more thing gaara good or bad matchup for minato

That is a difficutlt one

Gaara is a fairly bad match up for minato (gaara losing), his offensive sand attacks would most likely not land unless they are of a very large range which minato would have to escape the battlefield itself.

However if they are in a desert i can see Gaara winning

Gaara's ultimate defense could help him extremely and is his only way of actually staying in the fight is through his defense which acts automatically.

I agree with your points and I think that even after we would find out about Tobirama, Second Mizukage would still seem more powerful. But this mostly depends on his S/T ninjutsu.. which must be slower than Minato because Minato is the fastest ever. If it's anywhere close to FTG, Tobirama will win I would say.

Second Mizukage would be detected during the Mirage Genjutsu because of Tobirama's finger sensing. However, his exploding clone would likely be too much for Tobirama to combat. Because water style attacks aren't going to affect 2nd Mizukage, it depends on Tobirama's ability to use speed to hit Mizukage while he's using the exploding clone. And like I mentioned earlier that depends on his S/T.

Intresting point about the finger sensory technique

What if there is a body of water nearby and the Second Mizukage merges with it?

It would mean that the Second Mizukage cannnot be detected as he has become the whole body of water itself so the technique would be useless if the Second Hokage tries to use it to sense him in that sense

Also the second Mizukage also has a version of S/T using his Hozuki technique which combines both Tobi's and Minato's S/T Techs

Here it is:

-Teleportation (if the terrain is covered in water)
If the Terrain as a substantially large water source nearby or itself is a water source, then the Hozuki nature transformation can be used to travel into the water and reappear anywhere in the given water source quicker even than the flying thunder god technique as soon as the caster of the jutsu includes themselves into the water source, they are already anywhere and everywhere on the battlefield.


But eventually minato would get use to it and get around it, Gaara can't really go on the offensive without leaving himself really open and prone to a one hit ko rasengan.

 

[Enchanted Champion]

I think the hydrofication technique that you mentioned would be a great hindrance to the 2nd Hokage. A lot of his strongest techs would be be countered and useless.

In regards to the clam mirage technique could it be countered by the 2nds sensing finger technique? I think its possible. The bringer of darkness technique could also maybe counter it. As for the infinite explosion justu of the Mizukage, could a water combination of water techs be used to cool down and hold the clone in one place at the same time?

Then there is the sword of the thunder god that he mastered, which as you stated is the Mizukages weakness, as he is water embodied.

The thing about comparing Tobirama to anyone else if that Kishi never really developed him at all. We know that he was highly skilled in space-time ninjustu, which is probably the strongest techniques in the show (FTG, Tobi's tech). But we dont know what it does.

Right now I would give it to Mizkage just because he counters most of Tobirama strongest techs, but as Kishi decideds to expand on the Hokage we will have a more clear picture

 

[Kazekage35]

I agree completely. The 2nd mizukage is very under rated, I mean, he did kill Muu after all (many have them in their top 10 shinobi)

 

[Negative Knight]

I think the hydrofication technique that you mentioned would be a great hindrance to the 2nd Hokage. A lot of his strongest techs would be be countered and useless.

In regards to the clam mirage technique could it be countered by the 2nds sensing finger technique? I think its possible. The bringer of darkness technique could also maybe counter it. As for the infinite explosion justu of the Mizukage, could a water combination of water techs be used to cool down and hold the clone in one place at the same time?

Then there is the sword of the thunder god that he mastered, which as you stated is the Mizukages weakness, as he is water embodied.

The thing about comparing Tobirama to anyone else if that Kishi never really developed him at all. We know that he was highly skilled in space-time ninjustu, which is probably the strongest techniques in the show (FTG, Tobi's tech). But we dont know what it does.

Right now I would give it to Mizkage just because he counters most of Tobirama strongest techs, but as Kishi decideds to expand on the Hokage we will have a more clear picture

Nice post +Rep for all of the effort

Do you think that the Second Mizukage could possibly counter the Second Hokage's finger sensory technique by fusing with a nearby body of water? This would make the technique useless as it tells him the obvious thing of he could be anywhere and everywhere in the water all at the same time

 

[asad70ful]

tobirama got this coz he is best water realease user in history of narutoverse,
he mastered water realease that he dont need hand seal to done a normal water style jutsu,he also have YIN release,then his one of biggest arsenal edo tensei,which can make him win,so i think tobirama will beat him

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Well...after seeing he DOES have the hozuki clan trait of liquefying propeties.... I might have to give the edge to the mizukage on this argument: If tobirama uses water on him....done deal, if he trys to use a kunai and use his t/s jutsu(s) in combination like minato (which we havent seen him do technically)...it would still be a done deal for tobirama because it wouldnt work on the mizukages body. also...if tobirama DID actually own the thunder blade at some point...that would presumably be his weapon of choice...but some have noted that was filler so i guess it cant be included...i dont really know what tobirama can do with the information provided on both him and the mizukage...until i see more information on tobirama that can work in his favor other than edo tensei....i will side with the mizukage...he truely is a magnificent kage...let alone shinobi!

 

[Zeref]

i think he does stand a chance but i think 2nd hokage would win cuz he has alote of chakra cuz hes a senju pluse he could teleport and hes a master of water style but i think it will be a good fight though but in da end i think 2nd hokage will win that is wat i think who knows rep+

 

[Amaterasuice]

Well, as many have said, we more more about the Mizukage than the Hokage.

But even so, Tobirama seems to be slightly stronger.

But, the Mizukage is just a bad matchup against him, as Tobirama's water techniques will just be abosorbed by him.

So I say the Mizukage wins mid-high diff, until we know more about Tobirama.

One thing though, wasn't Suigetsu's jutu that alters his body due to experiments from Kabuto and Oro?

 

[daviddragon]

i think tobirama win very hard

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

That is a difficutlt one

Gaara is a fairly bad match up for minato (gaara losing), his offensive sand attacks would most likely not land unless they are of a very large range which minato would have to escape the battlefield itself.

However if they are in a desert i can see Gaara winning

Gaara's ultimate defense could help him extremely and is his only way of actually staying in the fight is through his defense which acts automatically.



Intresting point about the finger sensory technique

What if there is a body of water nearby and the Second Mizukage merges with it?

It would mean that the Second Mizukage cannnot be detected as he has become the whole body of water itself so the technique would be useless if the Second Hokage tries to use it to sense him in that sense

Also the second Mizukage also has a version of S/T using his Hozuki technique which combines both Tobi's and Minato's S/T Techs

Here it is:

-Teleportation (if the terrain is covered in water)
If the Terrain as a substantially large water source nearby or itself is a water source, then the Hozuki nature transformation can be used to travel into the water and reappear anywhere in the given water source quicker even than the flying thunder god technique as soon as the caster of the jutsu includes themselves into the water source, they are already anywhere and everywhere on the battlefield.


But eventually minato would get use to it and get around it, Gaara can't really go on the offensive without leaving himself really open and prone to a one hit ko rasengan.[/QUOT
Yea but minatos attacks probably couldnt land a hit on gaara with his defense there would be no way for minato to even place a seal on him and if he did the rasengan that he is able to use wont completely win the fight because of gaara covering his body with sand also in the movie which isnt cannon but is able to move very fast by turning his body into sand

 

[FizzyDrink]

You know, it's a nice try, but honestly, we do not know enough about the Second Hokage to make a fair assessment.

 

[Negative Knight]

That is a difficutlt one

Gaara is a fairly bad match up for minato (gaara losing), his offensive sand attacks would most likely not land unless they are of a very large range which minato would have to escape the battlefield itself.

However if they are in a desert i can see Gaara winning

Gaara's ultimate defense could help him extremely and is his only way of actually staying in the fight is through his defense which acts automatically.



Intresting point about the finger sensory technique

What if there is a body of water nearby and the Second Mizukage merges with it?

It would mean that the Second Mizukage cannnot be detected as he has become the whole body of water itself so the technique would be useless if the Second Hokage tries to use it to sense him in that sense

Also the second Mizukage also has a version of S/T using his Hozuki technique which combines both Tobi's and Minato's S/T Techs

Here it is:

-Teleportation (if the terrain is covered in water)
If the Terrain as a substantially large water source nearby or itself is a water source, then the Hozuki nature transformation can be used to travel into the water and reappear anywhere in the given water source quicker even than the flying thunder god technique as soon as the caster of the jutsu includes themselves into the water source, they are already anywhere and everywhere on the battlefield.


But eventually minato would get use to it and get around it, Gaara can't really go on the offensive without leaving himself really open and prone to a one hit ko rasengan.[/QUOT
Yea but minatos attacks probably couldnt land a hit on gaara with his defense there would be no way for minato to even place a seal on him and if he did the rasengan that he is able to use wont completely win the fight because of gaara covering his body with sand also in the movie which isnt cannon but is able to move very fast by turning his body into sand

I know but the key factor which lets Minato win is reaction time

Can Gaara's sand react to something faster than it's reaction time?

Gaara's sand can't be infinitely fast in direct proportion to the opponent's attack meaning he would be hit by Minato's FTG Tech

Though there are many Kage Gaara would destroy

Well, as many have said, we more more about the Mizukage than the Hokage.

But even so, Tobirama seems to be slightly stronger.

But, the Mizukage is just a bad matchup against him, as Tobirama's water techniques will just be abosorbed by him.

So I say the Mizukage wins mid-high diff, until we know more about Tobirama.

One thing though, wasn't Suigetsu's jutu that alters his body due to experiments from Kabuto and Oro?

Nah Kabuto and Oro's experiments weren't on Suigetsu, they were working out on how to extract the gene which turned bodies from solid to liquid, no alterations were made to suigetsu himself

Eventually Kabuto did it and now he has the gene within him

 

[MickNerks]

I disagree, because in your argument you state that the Mizukages SEVERE WEAKNESS is Lightining.

Severe Weakness against lightning as the whole user becomes a liquid (impure water) means that the Di-Charged nature of water (containing both positive and negative minerals) means that it conducts electricity so dangerous and efficiently means the user is electrocuted over and over as they are a complete circuit.

It was stated in the anime that Tobimaru was in possession of the sword of the thunder god which is a powerful lightining weapon.

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Now if you add that too tobimaru's sensing ability (which could easily see through the 2nd mizukages clam technique), then i see no reason why the 2nd mizukage has any advantage over the 2nd hokage. By your own definitions and theories, plus the new evidence of the thunder god swords i say 2nd hokage wins this.

xd

 

[Amaterasuice]

I know but the key factor which lets Minato win is reaction time

Can Gaara's sand react to something faster than it's reaction time?

Gaara's sand can't be infinitely fast in direct proportion to the opponent's attack meaning he would be hit by Minato's FTG Tech

Though there are many Kage Gaara would destroy




Nah Kabuto and Oro's experiments weren't on Suigetsu, they were working out on how to extract the gene which turned bodies from solid to liquid, no alterations were made to suigetsu himself

Eventually Kabuto did it and now he has the gene within him

Oh, I thought they did. Oh well.

 

[Negative Knight]

I disagree, because in your argument you state that the Mizukages SEVERE WEAKNESS is Lightining.




It was stated in the anime that Tobimaru was in possession of the sword of the thunder god which is a powerful lightining weapon.

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Now if you add that too tobimaru's sensing ability (which could easily see through the 2nd mizukages clam technique), then i see no reason why the 2nd mizukage has any advantage over the 2nd hokage. By your own definitions and theories, plus the new evidence of the thunder god swords i say 2nd hokage wins this.

xd

Lol is that so?

Sensory ability is cancelled out by the Second Mizukage merging with a large body of water which would let him know that the Second could be any and everywhere

The sword might not actually be real as it was said by multiple people that it was a filler episode and non cannon

Also the Second Hokage's water techniques were said to be of such a massive magnitude that him using even one on the Second Mizukage would give him a enormous advantage in the battle and a giant armour of water like the one Suigetsu used against Killer Bee

 

[Gooner4life]

Very good thread once again. It does look like a bad match up for Tobirama, but we don't know much about his other techniques, such as his space-time ninjutsu. We can't count Tobirama out but from only what we know it looks like a terrible match up for the Second Hokage, especially if there is no edo tensei.

 

[MickNerks]

Lol is that so?

Sensory ability is cancelled out by the Second Mizukage merging with a large body of water which would let him know that the Second could be any and everywhere

The sword might not actually be real as it was said by multiple people that it was a filler episode and non cannon

Also the Second Hokage's water techniques were said to be of such a massive magnitude that him using even one on the Second Mizukage would give him a enormous advantage in the battle and a giant armour of water like the one Suigetsu used against Killer Bee

Well then, if you negate the Thunder God sword then this does go to the sencond mizukage. I agree with you on the sensing part.. and if all tobimaru can use is water release then you have a point.

 

[Jinton Spam]

His jutsu... ^.^ Naruto already uses a forbidden jutsu =]. Tobirama is the one who made it forbidden so he can un-forbid it to

you know , war is never fair so you must use forbidden techniques too

i would use any means necessary to send the mizukage to his maker

anyway: Tobirama:*calls the 2nd raikage*Yo,sup we got a problem with a clownface.He looks like the second mizukage,talks like him and started to piss me off.