Proof that Second Mizukage > Second Hokage (Actual Explanation Inside)

[l3m0npl3dg3]

All people say is we dont know much about tobirama nobody really knows more about the first and no one says anything about that all we know is he beat madara and everyone hails him as the strongest shinobi nor is much really know about sarutobi in his prime all we seen was a fight when he was older and did not look impressive in tobirama high diff

 

[snake orochimaru]

your post is very well documented!!
although we haven't seen them fighting too much, one thing is certain: it could go either way... I think it's a proof of ignorance to just give the match to Hokage without analyzing. I'm curious if Tobirama's sensing abilities could detect Mizukage's tricky clam. think at it this way: Tobirama's water is useless; maybe Mizukage's mirage is also useless against the Hokage; now we have the Sword of The Thunder God and the Hokage's S/T techniques...these two combined could give the victory to Tobirama.
anyway: these two are very close regarding power and I think only Kishi could decide it.

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[Negative Knight]

your post is very well documented!!
although we haven't seen them fighting too much, one thing is certain: it could go either way... I think it's a proof of ignorance to just give the match to Hokage without analyzing. I'm curious if Tobirama's sensing abilities could detect Mizukage's tricky clam. think at it this way: Tobirama's water is useless; maybe Mizukage's mirage is also useless against the Hokage; now we have the Sword of The Thunder God and the Hokage's S/T techniques...these two combined could give the victory to Tobirama.
anyway: these two are very close regarding power and I think only Kishi could decide it.

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Awesome Post, and thanks for the compliment

Yeah it all depends on many factors that i listed on the Thread

It could all come down to where the Two Kage decide to thrown down.

True about Tobirama's S/T but im confident the Second Mizukage's Hozuki technique can far surpass it if there is a nearby Water Source

 

[raju22]

We do not have enough data on Tobirama senju to put him against Mizukage, and from what we have seen so far i do not think he can beat 2nd Mizukage.

 

[bobonosis]

to think that he had to fight Muu and it was an draw he possibly could beat up on the second Muu and Onoki got beated by madara without flinching an eyebrow still 2 hokage he got beAted by those gold silver brothers soo it its possible that that mizukage somehow can beat tobirama

 

[Deadai]

I am going with the 2nd Mizukage on this one because of his water body I think that could give him the advantage of not being able to take damage from Tobirama's water related jutsu. ^_^

 

[Jinton Spam]

I place my bet on Tobirama.

One Genjutsu, lightning blade and goodbye Mizugetsu

 

[Deadai]

I place my bet on Tobirama.

One Genjutsu, lightning blade and goodbye Mizugetsu

filler weapon...I don't count it none cannon

 

[Jinton Spam]

If Tobi just gets him in a genutsu is over , you got it.Also he can use Edo Tensei to raise some fodder lightning ninja/earth.

 

[SilverSlick]

filler weapon...I don't count it none cannon

So, he counts it. You're not the thread maker anyways.

 

[KingHashirama]

So far throughtout the whole series Konoha has always been the top dog.. Mostly due to their Hokage.. Hokages have always been stronger then Any other kage ^.^

Plus the second mizukage didn't seem that impresive against gaara at all.. The way you wrote about him makes him sound OP. Also S/T ninjutsu xD.

 

[Deadai]

If Tobi just gets him in a genutsu is over , you got it.Also he can use Edo Tensei to raise some fodder lightning ninja/earth.

We dont know what kind of genjutsu Tobirama has

edo tensei is a forbidden jutsu for a reason he wouldn't use a jutsu that has been classified under that being a KAGE yeah know?

 

[SilverSlick]

We dont know what kind of genjutsu Tobirama has

edo tensei is a forbidden jutsu for a reason he wouldn't use a jutsu that has been classified under that being a KAGE yeah know?

The one that was shown in the anime during the Hiruzen fight, bringer of darkness technique. Both him and Hashi can use it. Good point about him not using it, but I'm assuming he will.

 

[KingHashirama]

Tobirama is probably smarter then that i think... Im pretty sure he would know about his attacks. Since hes the effin hokage.. and a smart one at that. Sooo i see Tobirama taking this. Also, 2nd mizukage and Muu tied it.

No Kinkaku and Ginkaku did not beat the 2nd hokage.. We still don't even know how it went down.. It was a coupd'etat So there was obviously more then just them.

And also where do you get your info from???. Narutopedia is personally the most reliable one ^.^ other then the manga

 

[Negative Knight]

So far throughtout the whole series Konoha has always been the top dog.. Mostly due to their Hokage.. Hokages have always been stronger then Any other kage ^.^

Plus the second mizukage didn't seem that impresive against gaara at all.. The way you wrote about him makes him sound OP. Also S/T ninjutsu xD.

Lol re-read the thread you will see there aren't any theortical techniques

e.g. if its a completely water based terrain, he'll take this without much difficulty

If its a terrain close to water then he still gains the advantage

Also did you read my point on teleportation by the Second Mizukage?

Here it is:


-Teleportation (if the terrain is covered in water)
If the Terrain as a substantially large water source nearby or itself is a water source, then the Hozuki nature transformation can be used to travel into the water and reappear anywhere in the given water source quicker even than the flying thunder god technique as soon as the caster of the jutsu includes themselves into the water source, they are already anywhere and everywhere on the battlefield.

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

I wish kishi would just show how the second s/t worked so people would stop saying that we dont know much about him we know that he had edo and banned it because the dead can escape the tech and become nearly invincible he had great water techs hes a sensory ninja he was skilled in genjutsu and hes a senju all that seems overwhelming for any opponent

 

[KingHashirama]

We dont know what kind of genjutsu Tobirama has

edo tensei is a forbidden jutsu for a reason he wouldn't use a jutsu that has been classified under that being a KAGE yeah know?

His jutsu... ^.^ Naruto already uses a forbidden jutsu =]. Tobirama is the one who made it forbidden so he can un-forbid it to

 

[Deadai]

The one that was shown in the anime during the Hiruzen fight, bringer of darkness technique. Both him and Hashi can use it. Good point about him not using it, but I'm assuming he will.

You got me on the bringer on darkness jutsu that slipped my mind.

even if Tobirama where to use edo tensei whom would he summon? we dont know alot of people from his area that he would have in possession. Not only that but his edo tensei was imperfect and needed quiet a bit of tweeking from both Orochimaru and Kabuto so we dont know how usefull his edo's are.

 

[SilverSlick]

You got me on the bringer on darkness jutsu that slipped my mind.

even if Tobirama where to use edo tensei whom would he summon? we dont know alot of people from his area that he would have in possession. Not only that but his edo tensei was imperfect and needed quiet a bit of tweeking from both Orochimaru and Kabuto so we dont know how usefull his edo's are.

If Negative Knight would allow it, maybe some fodders?

 

[Negative Knight]

I wish kishi would just show how the second s/t worked so people would stop saying that we dont know much about him we know that he had edo and banned it because the dead can escape the tech and become nearly invincible he had great water techs hes a sensory ninja he was skilled in genjutsu and hes a senju all that seems overwhelming for any opponent

So true, people's main argument tends to be:

-We don't know the extent of his S/t Ninjutsu

-We haven't seen him use Edo Tensei

Its basically a argument used to back out of a losing fight in argument

Thanks for highlighting that