Proof that Hashirama was under Madara's Genjutsu

[spike2068]

Even if Madara lost "fair and square", we do know that he survived after the battle.

The theory that he used genjutsu isn't really that bad, it does make some sense. But we will never truly know Madara survived until Kishimoto explicitly reveals it.

it makes sense until you think about the scar from the wound on his chest. And if he used genjutsu in a last ditch effort right when the blade pierced him I could accept that but he still lost then. And I know he survived my whole point is he still lost, surviving doesnt=winning, standing over your opponent as he bleads on the gound=winning

 

[Cray]

Nice find but then the question is, if Hashirama was under a genjutsu before he was able to stab Madara, then how come Madara has wound in his chest? If Hashi was in a genjutsu then there would be no physical damage taken by Madara since it was all an illusion.

Perhaps it was some sort of projection genjutsu which allows to create exact copy of the user with the different coordinates. The Original receives damage through projected illusion.

 

[spike2068]

Perhaps it was some sort of projection genjutsu which allows to create exact copy of the user with the different coordinates. The Original receives damage through projected illusion.

lol and this ladies and gentlemen is fanboyism at its peak! "Lets make up some eye jutsu that has never been stated to exist just so we dont have to accept the maga fact that our fav character lost a fight". Get over italready

 

[ajpn920]

Perhaps the Genjutsu was used during the moment he was stabbed as a way to escape death, hence the wound is real

I agree. this is the only logical way to connect genjutsu and how he survived.

Perhaps it was some sort of projection genjutsu which allows to create exact copy of the user with the different coordinates. The Original receives damage through projected illusion.

the only possible way that genjutsu has been used is after he was stabbed.

 

[Cray]

lol and this ladies and gentlemen is fanboyism at its peak! "Lets make up some eye jutsu that has never been stated to exist just so we dont have to accept the maga fact that our fav character lost a fight". Get over italready

It's not fanboyism when it's make perfect sense. Troll.

 

[KidGamer65]

That sparkle effect appears whenever a character is surprised by something sudden. It doesn't necessarily prove Hashirama was under Genjutsu.

This. (10char)

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I agree. this is the only logical way to connect genjutsu and how he survived.



the only possible way that genjutsu has been used is after he was stabbed.

It is certainly is

 

[ajpn920]

It is certainly is

there's one bit of a problem though..we know that it's true that Madara has wound on his chest and the last chapter shows how he was stabbed,

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then how can Hashi fall for a genjutsu when he was at the back of Madara? We all know that it requires an eye contact, right? We can't say Izanagi because we all know that it requires both senju and Uchiha dna. Even if it's a normal genjutsu, to fall for such an illusion, an eye contact is needed..

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

there's one bit of a problem though..we know that it's true that Madara has wound on his chest and the last chapter shows how he was stabbed,

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then how can Hashi fall for a genjutsu when he was at the back of Madara? We all know that it requires an eye contact, right? We can't say Izanagi because we all know that it requires both senju and Uchiha dna. Even if it's a normal genjutsu, to fall for such an illusion, an eye contact is needed..

Perhaps the genjutsu was already in effect immediately prior to the stabbing.

 

[ajpn920]

Perhaps the genjutsu was already in effect immediately prior to the stabbing.

if the genjutsu is in effect prior to the stabbing then that means Hashi is in the world of illusion but how come Madara suffered physical damage within the effect of his genjutsu?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

if the genjutsu is in effect prior to the stabbing then that means Hashi is in the world of illusion but how come Madara suffered physical damage within the effect of his genjutsu?

Immediately before, hence it does not entail harming Hashirama, rather, escaping death despite the injuries suffered.

 

[ajpn920]

Immediately before, hence it does not entail harming Hashirama, rather, escaping death despite the injuries suffered.

the only problem to this is that the Hashirama facing Madara at this time is a clone as shown here,

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If the genjutsu was casted at the moment Hashi was down on the ground then it means that it will not work since the one being casted is a clone and if it was casted on the real Hashi before he was able to make a clone then it is impossible for Madara to take physical damage since Hashi was already in illusion.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

the only problem to this is that the Hashirama facing Madara at this time is a clone as shown here,

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If the genjutsu was casted at the moment Hashi was down on the ground then it means that it will not work since the one being casted is a clone and if it was casted on the real Hashi before he was able to make a clone then it is impossible for Madara to take physical damage since Hashi was already in illusion.

Perhaps Madara had noticed where the real Hashirama was prior to the moment of stabbing and gazed on the real Hashirama's direction. But not enough time to react from the act of the stabbing itself to escape harm/injury, only escape from certain death.

 

[ajpn920]

Perhaps Madara had noticed where the real Hashirama was prior to the moment of stabbing and gazed on the real Hashirama's direction. But not enough time to react from the act of the stabbing itself to escape harm/injury, only escape from certain death.

it could be but it's more of a speculation. if we only based it through the manga then we can conclude that madara failed to use his genjutsu because there's no logical reason as to why hashi was able to stab him or perhaps Madara used it but Hashi countered it. nothing for sure though...nice thread by the way

 

[FearxDeath]

Lol, A discovery so awesome that it deserves its own thread huh ^__^

 

[aimop95]

Regardless of what Madara used. Harashima beat him up enough for Madara to need to cultivate Senju DNA to make himself a new body. Point being, he was way to weak after this battle, and the affects of this battle carried onto the rest of his life, preventing him from becoming an effective ninja physically.

I personally think he did get stabbed through the chest.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Regardless of what Madara used. Harashima beat him up enough for Madara to need to cultivate Senju DNA to make himself a new body. Point being, he was way to weak after this battle, and the affects of this battle carried onto the rest of his life, preventing him from becoming an effective ninja physically.

I personally think he did get stabbed through the chest.

But he did get stabbed in the chest, the Genjutsu Madara used was only to avoid certain death, not to erase the injuries he suffered

 

[aimop95]

But he did get stabbed in the chest, the Genjutsu Madara used was only to avoid certain death, not to erase the injuries he suffered

Possibly, but unless Madara cast genjutsu before the fight, or before things got serious, I doubt he had the time to actually do it. Besides, I'm fairly sure Hashirama would have guessed something was amiss. This guy fought Madara time and time again before. I'm sure he knows how to sense and dispel a genjutsu. And unless Madara never preformed one on him during their past fights, Hashirama should have figured out something was wrong.

 

[MrLukyso]

Possibly, but unless Madara cast genjutsu before the fight, or before things got serious, I doubt he had the time to actually do it. Besides, I'm fairly sure Hashirama would have guessed something was amiss. This guy fought Madara time and time again before. I'm sure he knows how to sense and dispel a genjutsu. And unless Madara never preformed one on him during their past fights, Hashirama should have figured out something was wrong.

You're only speculating. How Hashirama can look through EMS Genjutsu when he has regular eyes ? It is impossible, Madara is a master of Sharingan, he did everything just right so Hashirama wouldn't know it, he did it so Hashirama believes he killed Madara till this day, obviously Hashirama was under a Genjutsu.

 

[Drāgy]

I have actually never noticed that
Nice find