Proof Naruto doesn't have Uzumaki Stamina (manga evidence inside)

[shadowcb]

I see Dantee is up to his same old tricks, omitting facts and selected reading.

First, the manga didn't say for a Uzumaki to have a strong body and amazing life force they must have red hair. Those were two separate statements explaining some of the uzumaki clan traits.

You stated Naruto doesn't have any uzumaki feats because he die almost instantly when the 9 tails was extracted, yet you omitted the fact that Naruto was fighting and training non-stop for over 48 hours prior to the extraction. Naruto was pushing himself mentally and physically to his limit and beyond prior to the extraction. Naruto did more than anybody else in war. The true reason Naruto almost die instantly was because of the physical and metal state he was in.

The 9 tails does add to his chakra amount, but is not the reason he has a lot of chakra. Kishi clarified the amount of 9 tails chakra Naruto receives in part 2. The scroll frog or Pa Frog stated Naruto only received a tiny bit of the 9 tails chakra -

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- Even thought Naruto has received the 9 tails chakra from birth a tiny bit over 16 years doesn't equal to a large amount. Pa Frog stated during Naruto's SM training he has a large amount and didn't credit it to the 9 tails -

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One of Naruto's most impressive Uzumaki feats is his ability to withstand the 9 tails chakra -

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- Sakura was hit by the 9 tails chakra and she couldn't more or heal from it-

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- She required Kabuto to heal her -

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- That was only a small amount. Naruto entire body was wrapped in the 9 tails poisonous chakra and he was able to easily move and didn't kill him.

One last thing, you stated Naruto didn't gain any traits from his parents, yet he was able to add an element to the rasengan a feat his father failed to do. Even the 9 tails stated Naruto's ability to transfer chakra surpassed his father. I have already stated of the traits he gained from his mother.

Sage was just telling Naruto that a child may not receive some of his parents traits. He never stated Naruto didn't' receive any.

Go ahead and close this thread. I just proved you wrong.

 

[V h o]

Excellent thread, didn't know tsunade was a full blood senju. Zzz

 

[Dantee]

A few things I have to point out, Nagato was 45 and Kushina around 23-24 like Minato so you're comparing a 16 (from beginning of Shippuden upto he turns 17 in the war). The Uzumaki clan inbreed just like all of the other clans which is why they all stayed with red hair. Naruto is one of the few half-breed Uzumaki that we've seen, also a Tsunade's grandmother is a Uzumaki so she does have Uzumaki DNA in her as well. We don't know who were Tsunade's parents so as far as we know Tsunade had a half Senju/Uzumaki parent and another parent from another clan. Tsunade was about 54 during the war, if she doesn't stay in shape then her chakra reserve can deminish as Hiruzen's did as he aged. You said Kushina had high reserves right? Well so did Minato, TSM (toad SM) training requires you to have a large reserve as Pa toad told Naruto.

I guess that is fair to say, but I never denied Naruto having high reserves. He just didn't have reserves compared to other Uzamakis. Not to mention Karin restored Tsunade who has massive reserves with her own chakra. The difference between naruto and other red hair Uzamakis is clear imo. Besides I believe Naruto got his reserves from his chakra mixing with Kuramas since the eight trigrams seal.

Kushina has been in labor for a couple of hours I believe, Naruto has been fighting for days! So it's not the same thing since we see Naruto get exhausted in the war arc a good amount of times. Naruto was in intense training with Bee where he used up a lot of chakra and received injuries. Then he entered the war were he split his power amongst 12 clones which left him with 1/13th his power. Naruto also still feels some exhaustion from his clones after they poof; we seen Naruto completely exhausted before he friended Kurama. So Naruto who have pushed his body pretty far for days died instantly after Kurama was extracted; even if Naruto was healed by Sakura, that doesn't mean Naruto's body is fully healed as shown by Tsunade having Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, ect... All remain in the hospital for days to weeks to rest their bodies even after she heals them.

Hmm I don't think we as men would know how exhausting child birth really is but from my mom I heard it's pretty tiresome. NAruto fought alot I agree but he had a lot of help without having to rely on his base reserves a lot, I don't see it fair to give him a feat of fighting the whole war when most of it was honestly the Kyuubis chakra. Naruto wasn't ever shown that hurt and thanks to his teammates he avoided fatal injuries so Sakura was really only helping out his stamina at that point.

Minato made Kurama's chakra leak into Naruto's so that Naruto can better master it; Kurama pointed this out in the war when Naruto was transforming Kurama's chakra to match sack ninja's chakra. Kurama said its thanks to Naruto having Kushina's blood and for him being sealed in Naruto for many years. Naruto unconsciously grew use to Kurama's chakra because it leaked in his or at least that's the best explanation I can think of. Naruto's own stamina is larger than Sasuke and Sakura's is what Kakashi said, he then points out that having Kurama makes it even harder for Naruto to control his chakra because Naruto's chakra is linked to Kurama's (only a small amount leaks into Naruto's).

I will have to find that scan about NAruto linking the SA, I don't remember it having to do with blood but NAruto just being skilled at manipulating the chakra.
Bro Kakashi right out said Kurama was root of his large reserves. Jiraya even confirms the seal was made that way.

Don't think you can pass down a genius trait, anyways Kakashi stated that Naruto has always been weirdly smart. Jiraiya stated that Minato was a genius that comes once a decade and they haven't had a genius like Minato since Minato. Kurama said Naruto surpassed both his parents when Naruto was using the chakra transfer jutsu on a much larger scale than Minato. Ashura chakra bloomed which allowed him to be on equal fighting grounds with Indra; he just didn't get any Doujutsu unlike Indra, Hagoromo, Hamura, and Kaguya is all.

Yamato said Naruto's own power, without Kurama was strong; the strength of Naruto's chakra is why he can stand Kurama's chakra

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Naruto is weirdly smart, hes a natural born prankster so hes good at deceiving people that's for sure.
Yamato statement was debunked so many times, we've seen Naruto get taken over by Kurama plenty of times. Funny enough that was right after Kurama took over him when he went 4 tails

 

[Remedy]

Then how did Naruto learn Sage Mode? Let me guess Kurama? Do you manga bro? This thread failed before it was even posted.

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[Dantee]

Then how did Naruto learn Sage Mode? Let me, guess Kurama, do you manga bro? This thread failed before it was even posted.

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Another one who doesn't read the thread lol.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Then how did Naruto learn Sage Mode? Let me guess Kurama? Do you manga bro? This thread failed before it was even posted.

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But who said this was thanks to Uzumaki heritage? Jiraiya had the chakra reserves for it, and he's a normal guy, not Uzumaki. Naruto could just be like him; enormous chakra but not Uzumaki level enormous.

 

[Remedy]

Another one who doesn't read the thread lol.

No counter...typical.

 

[Dantee]

No counter...typical.

Never denied nAruto had large reserves in the OP.

 

[Madara the Solo King]

Come on m8, your Amaterasu thread was better than this.

 

[To Whatever]

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-Uzumaki have strong lifeforces and chakra
-Naruto is stated that he's and Uzumaki and will resist
-Naruto does not die instantly when kurama is torn from him
-Kushina was 100% when Kurama was torn from her and 100% purebred Uzumaki
-Naruto was not 100% when Kurama was torn from him and is only 50% Uzumaki
-Minato took half of Kurama inside of himself and felt numb
-A infant Naruto took half of Kurama inside himself with zero problems


This thread is so wrong on so many levels. I have no idea why he's trying to argue Naruto's genetics and the traits gained from his mother.

 

[Remedy]

But who said this was thanks to Uzumaki heritage? Jiraiya had the chakra reserves for it, and he's a normal guy, not Uzumaki. Naruto could just be like him; enormous chakra but not Uzumaki level enormous.

Jiraiya SM shouldn't even be compared to Naruto's as it was incomplete. Pa toad clearly said you needed large chakra to even use it, or it will take you over (meaning you can turn into a toad) Jiraiya's SM is a perfect example of that.

 

[iNotorious]

Bro I didn't know NAgatos parents had chakra chains.

I didn't know that karin's parents had chakra chains

You failed but nice try.

He's an uzumaki member, you failed but it's alright. You'll be fine when you accept manga facts.

 

[shadowcb]

But who said this was thanks to Uzumaki heritage? Jiraiya had the chakra reserves for it, and he's a normal guy, not Uzumaki. Naruto could just be like him; enormous chakra but not Uzumaki level enormous.

Where does the manga say it didn't come from the uzumaki clan traits. You said an uzumaki large amount of chakra doesn't come from his uzumaki clan trait, but you prove no evidence to support that statement.

It doesn't come from the 9 tails. The scroll frog or Pa Frog stated (not sure which one was talking then) Naruto only received a tiny bit of chakra from 9 tails -

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[Remedy]

Never denied nAruto had large reserves in the OP.

Just answer it, how did Naruto learn SM? Remember, Kurama had zero involvement in the process.

 

[To Whatever]

This shouldn't have made it to 8 pages.


More [Deductive reasoning] from Dantee I suppose..


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[ComplexCity]

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-Uzumaki have strong lifeforces and chakra
-Naruto is stated that he's and Uzumaki and will resist
-Naruto does not die instantly when kurama is torn from him
-Kushina was 100% when Kurama was torn from her and 100% purebred Uzumaki
-Naruto was not 100% when Kurama was torn from him and is only 50% Uzumaki
-Minato took half of Kurama inside of himself and felt numb
-A infant Naruto took half of Kurama inside himself with zero problems


This thread is so wrong on so many levels. I have no idea why he's trying to argue Naruto's genetics and the traits gained from his mother.

Didn't mean to dislike

 

[Punk Hazard]

Jiraiya SM shouldn't even be compared to Naruto's as it was incomplete. Pa toad clearly said you needed large chakra to even use it, or it will take you over (meaning you can turn into a toad) Jiraiya's SM is a perfect example of that.

And was Jiraiya not using it?

The reason his was incomplete was because Jiraiya wasn't interested in learning how to draw in and mix Nature Energy himself, as Pa told him he really should learn how to enter Sage Mode on his own. This shows Jiraiya had the capability to master it, but didn't because he didn't like the way it made him look and because he felt like they could do it better than him anyways.

Where does the manga say it doesn't come from the uzumaki clan. You an uzumaki large amount of chakra doesn't come from his uzumaki clan trait, but you prove no evidence to support that statement.

It doesn't come from the 9 tails. The scroll frog or Pa Frog stated (not sure which one was talking then) Naruto only received a tiny bit of chakra from 9 tails -

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I didn't say that the manga said it wasn't from Uzumaki. But it doesn't say it is because of Uzumaki. I'm saying Naruto having the chakra for Sage Mode isn't necessarily proof that he inherited the reserves of normal Uzumaki because Jiraiya, who didn't have any Uzumaki heritage whatsoever, had the chakra levels sufficient to use Sage Mode. It shows that it is possible for Naruto have the chakra level necessary to learn and use Sage Mode without inheriting the reserves of a full Uzumaki because who also doesn't have Uzumaki heritage could do it.

 

[Dantee]

I see Dantee is up to his same old tricks, omitting facts and selected reading.

First, the manga didn't say for a Uzumaki to have a strong body and amazing life force they must have red hair. Those were two separate statements explaining some of the uzumaki clan traits.

Yet the strongest Uzamakis have red hair do you think that is coincidence? smh

You stated Naruto doesn't have any uzumaki feats because he die almost instantly when the 9 tails was extracted, yet you omitted the fact that Naruto was fighting and training non-stop for over 48 hours prior to the extraction. Naruto was pushing himself mentally and physically to his limit and beyond prior to the extraction. Naruto did more than anybody else in war. The true reason Naruto almost die instantly was because of the physical and metal state he was in.

That is a valid reason but what was wrong with his mental state again? and Kurama doing most of the stamina support means nothing to you?

The 9 tails does add to his chakra amount, but is not the reason he has a lot of chakra. Kishi clarified the amount of 9 tails chakra Naruto receives in part 2. The scroll frog or Pa Frog stated Naruto only received a tiny bit of the 9 tails chakra -

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- Even thought Naruto has received the 9 tails chakra from birth a tiny bit over 16 years doesn't equal to a large amount

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Lmao you serious bruh that scan doesn't even say that. why lie ?

Pa Frog stated during Naruto's SM training he has a large amount and didn't credit it to the 9 tails -

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Why would he? Jirayas statements and Kakashis already prove me right. Why run to Pa when he was clearly talking about SM in general.

One of Naruto's most impressive Uzumaki feats is his ability to withstand the 9 tails chakra -

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- Sakura was hit by the 9 tails chakra and she couldn't more or heal from it-

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- She required Kabuto to heal her -

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- That was only a small amount. Naruto entire body was wrapped in the 9 tails poisonous chakra and he was able to easily move and didn't kill him.

Not sure how this is even relevant when I proved their chakras were mixed at the beginning. How are you trying to pass Kuramas healing feat to naruto. Everyone knows that is Kuramas innate ability to heal wounds, NAruto wasn't doing that on his own cmon now.

One last thing, you stated Naruto didn't gain any traits from his parents, yet he was able to add an element to the rasengan a feat his father failed to do. Even the 9 tails stated Naruto's ability to transfer chakra surpassed his father. I have already stated of the traits he gained from his mother.

smh not sure how to even respond to this. Are you saying naruto was a genius like minato or a chakra chain jin Uzamaki with stamina like his mother? no just no.

Sage was just telling Naruto that a child may not receive some of his parents traits. He never stated Naruto didn't' receive any.

It was heavily implied and I was only pointing that out. Sages words " Naruto you should know about that".

Go ahead and close this thread. I just proved you wrong.

Nope you didn't even scratch the surface of proving me wrong but you provided a better argument than 8/10 of the people posting.

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-Uzumaki have strong lifeforces and chakra
-Naruto is stated that he's and Uzumaki and will resist
-Naruto does not die instantly

Feats say otherwise.

 

[To Whatever]

Feats say otherwise.

If you saw the feats you'd know why you're wrong, Dantee.

btw I edited my post:

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-Uzumaki have strong lifeforces and chakra
-Naruto is stated that he's and Uzumaki and will resist
-Naruto does not die instantly when kurama is torn from him
-Kushina was 100% when Kurama was torn from her and 100% purebred Uzumaki
-Naruto was not 100% when Kurama was torn from him and is only 50% Uzumaki
-Minato took half of Kurama inside of himself and felt numb
-A infant Naruto took half of Kurama inside himself with zero problems


This thread is so wrong on so many levels. I have no idea why he's trying to argue Naruto's genetics and the traits gained from his mother.

 

[Dantee]

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-Uzumaki have strong lifeforces and chakra
-Naruto is stated that he's and Uzumaki and will resist
-Naruto does not die instantly when kurama is torn from him
-Kushina was 100% when Kurama was torn from her and 100% purebred Uzumaki
-Naruto was not 100% when Kurama was torn from him and is only 50% Uzumaki
-Minato took half of Kurama inside of himself and felt numb
-A infant Naruto took half of Kurama inside himself with zero problems


This thread is so wrong on so many levels. I have no idea why he's trying to argue Naruto's genetics and the traits gained from his mother.

kushina was in labor lol. That is defo not 100%. Naruto couldn't even speak so much for resistance, Kushina did so much afterwards.

Are you saying infant Naruto has more stamina and or life force than Minato. Cmon there is a clear reason why the nine tails was subjugated easily by baby naruto plot and the seal Minato used. But I will humor any arguments you have for this.