Proof Bansho tenin > Susanoo

[Zato]

Its a nice theory but I can't agree with it. Gaara had to use his sand to pin Madara's Susanoo to the ground in order for him to be successfully pulled from it. Obviously he held his Susanoo to the ground so that it wouldn't follow Madara's movements. I think this is because Madara was using it as a shield at that point. If you notice when their Susanoo's get hit they tend to move with the Susanoo as if they were being pushed. This means that Susanoo has some type of strong attachment to its users to a point that it acts like an outer layer of their physical body. Look at when Oonoki and the Raikage hit Madara's Susanoo with that powerful attack that sent his Susanoo flying, Madara looked as if he was being pushed by a huge force and he was sent flying with his Susanoo even though he himself took no damage.

 

[Midday]

Banshou tenei does pull the user and his susanoo which is correct. Then after he is pull susanoo, what to you think would happen to the guy using
repulsive/gravity force? Remember what Naruto did when nagato pulled Naruto?

The susanoo user will be pointing it's huge sword at the user

Nagato would use petra path.

I've been using the point about bansho tennin being able to be used to pull someone out of susanoo for a while now. People keep on saying susanoo will be dragged with it but it's cannon Nagato can use two seperate bansho tennin's at once and Nagato can control their course where he doesn't have to be the center,

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. One bansho tennin to hold the susanoo in place and another to rip the user out of it, combine that was an attack like assura paths lasers, soul dragon etc. that's the susanoo user done.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Amazing theory gotta agree with u

 

[VongolaX]

Nagato would use petra path.

I've been using the point about bansho tennin being able to be used to pull someone out of susanoo for a while now. People keep on saying susanoo will be dragged with it but it's cannon Nagato can use two seperate bansho tennin's at once and Nagato can control their course where he doesn't have to be the center,

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. One bansho tennin to hold the susanoo in place and another to rip the user out of it, combine that was an attack like assura paths lasers, soul dragon etc. that's the susanoo user done.

How wrong can you get? Nagato can banshou tenin two things at once, not banshou tenin and use a laser with the other because deva paths power has an interval meaning only deva can use one path and not combine like the others. Nagato wants to stay away from susanoo as possible because if a susanoo user shots an arrow or something, he's gonna get killed, and he can't absorb the arrow not only because it's not a ninjustu but also the interval. He get killed within a heart beat

 

[HadouKage]

How wrong can you get? Nagato can banshou tenin two things at once, not banshou tenin and use a laser with the other because deva paths power has an interval meaning only deva can use one path and not combine like the others. Nagato wants to stay away from susanoo as possible because if a susanoo user shots an arrow or something, he's gonna get killed, and he can't absorb the arrow not only because it's not a ninjustu but also the interval. He get killed within a heart beat

Which is why he has more than the Deva path. He used the human path on KM Naruto and the Asura path on Bee both at once

 

[Midday]

How wrong can you get? Nagato can banshou tenin two things at once, not banshou tenin and use a laser with the other because deva paths power has an interval meaning only deva can use one path and not combine like the others. Nagato wants to stay away from susanoo as possible because if a susanoo user shots an arrow or something, he's gonna get killed, and he can't absorb the arrow not only because it's not a ninjustu but also the interval. He get killed within a heart beat

I'm not wrong, Nagato's shown the ability of using two bansho tennin's as well the ability to use multiple paths. Susanoo and it's weapons are a non issue infront of petra path, don't even try to deny a manifestation of chakra which susanoo and it's weapons can't be absorbed.

 

[HadouKage]

I'm not wrong, Nagato's shown the ability of using two bansho tennin's as well the ability to use multiple paths. Susanoo and it's weapons are a non issue infront of petra path, don't even try to deny a manifestation of chakra which susanoo and it's weapons can't be absorbed.

I don't think Itachi's sword can be absorbed since it's ethereal

 

[Midday]

I don't think Itachi's sword can be absorbed since it's ethereal

I know, I meant just weapons made out of susanoo like the sword, arrows and magmata's. But I don't even see why Nagato would bring an empty susanoo close to him rather than the user for a soul rip for example.

 

[HadouKage]

I know, I meant just weapons made out of susanoo like the sword, arrows and magmata's. But I don't even see why Nagato would bring an empty susanoo close to him rather than the user for a soul rip for example.

Because people are fanboys and don't like thinking outside the box

 

[GwemBaba]

Should be top thread.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nagato would use petra path.

I've been using the point about bansho tennin being able to be used to pull someone out of susanoo for a while now. People keep on saying susanoo will be dragged with it but it's cannon Nagato can use two seperate bansho tennin's at once and Nagato can control their course where he doesn't have to be the center,

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. One bansho tennin to hold the susanoo in place and another to rip the user out of it, combine that was an attack like assura paths lasers, soul dragon etc. that's the susanoo user done.

Two BT's at once? What are you talking about? He's simply attracting more than one item at a time and again, what are you talking about? Nagato was clearly the epicenter as he dragged Naruto and the meteor towards his area so they would collide in one spot.

Nagato is the epicenter of his repulsions and attractions. He isn't manipulating gravity in a spot of his choosing so he can't pull anyone out of their Susanoo, he can only pull the Susanoo.

@bold: BT holding Susanoo in place makes no sense, especially when its function is to pull not hold things in place. All that will do is attract the Susanoo towards him it won't hold him in place.

You and anyone who believes BT can pull someone out of Susanoo despite the stated function of the technique disagreeing, then you guys are clearly in some kind of denial.

 

[shelke]

you seem can't comprehend the difference between bansho tenin and CT, again read what the TS posted, its on the scans if you can just understand how kakashi explained it you should know that with BT nagato can pinpoint what object he can pull without affecting its surrounding..

one perfect example is the nail pain pulled out from the wood to kill kakashi:


now even though nail is firmly attached to the wood he was able to pull it out without affecting the wood holding it, pretty much what will happen to the susanoo user.. pwnage.

bansho tenin >>>> susanoo

if you still can't accept the fact, nagato can also use 2 bansho tenin on each hand, he can move the susanoo to the left and move the user to the right pretty much same effect as gaara's sand to madara's susanoo.

This proves that he held the nail in its place? Dear Lord. You must be joking. He simply attracted the nail to himself. BT doesn't hold anything in its place as it simply pulls anything Nagato wants to pulls with Nagato as its centre. Your suggestion goes completely against the workings of the ability and I am the one who lacks comprehension? I clearly see the effect now.

 

[KidGamer65]

you seem can't comprehend the difference between bansho tenin and CT, again read what the TS posted, its on the scans if you can just understand how kakashi explained it you should know that with BT nagato can pinpoint what object he can pull without affecting its surrounding..

one perfect example is the nail pain pulled out from the wood to kill kakashi:

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now even though nail is firmly attached to the wood he was able to pull it out without affecting the wood holding it, pretty much what will happen to the susanoo user.. pwnage.

bansho tenin >>>> susanoo

if you still can't accept the fact, nagato can also use 2 bansho tenin on each hand, he can move the susanoo to the left and move the user to the right pretty much same effect as gaara's sand to madara's susanoo.

What is with you people? You guys just don't seem to know how Bansho Tennin works do you?

Bold makes no sense. The nail was exposed while the Susanoo user isn't exposed. Nagato simply pulled the nail up towards him.

Bold2 also makes no sense. Nagato attracts multiple items not one with each hand. Move Susanoo to left and the user to the right? Really now? BT PULLS things towards Nagato, why would he able to move one to the left and one to the right?

 

[shelke]

@Kidgamer Exactly. With a core centre - Nagato - that pulls objects towards itself, it makes this 'right left' comment pretty much BS.

 

[KidGamer65]

@Kidgamer Exactly. With a core centre - Nagato - that pulls objects towards itself, it makes this 'right left' comment pretty much BS.

Agreed. Don't even know where people got the idea BT could pull someone out of Susanoo in the first place.

 

[Midday]

Two BT's at once? What are you talking about? He's simply attracting more than one item at a time and again, what are you talking about? Nagato was clearly the epicenter as he dragged Naruto and the meteor towards his area so they would collide in one spot.

Nagato is the epicenter of his repulsions and attractions. He isn't manipulating gravity in a spot of his choosing so he can't pull anyone out of their Susanoo, he can only pull the Susanoo.

@bold: BT holding Susanoo in place makes no sense, especially when its function is to pull not hold things in place. All that will do is attract the Susanoo towards him it won't hold him in place.

You and anyone who believes BT can pull someone out of Susanoo despite the stated function of the technique disagreeing, then you guys are clearly in some kind of denial.

It's clear as day Nagato used two sperate bansho tenning on the meteor and Naruto.

Nagato's in the middle, if they can only be dragged towards him it would be impossible to make Naruto and a meteor collide. It's like taking a magnet and a few penny's and trying to make it collide.

Obviously it is his choosing, since he was able to bring a nail out of wood without even budging the wood slightly. So he was able to just effect the nails gravity and not it's surroundings.

Bansho tennin on two seperate things if they're moving at two different rates they will seperate. Bansho tennin can hold something in place by just grabbing them not using the pull or push effect. Just like when he got kcm Naruto, he was briefly held in place before Nagato pulled him in.

 

[GwemBaba]

It's clear as day Nagato used two sperate bansho tenning on the meteor and Naruto.

Nagato's in the middle, if they can only be dragged towards him it would be impossible to make Naruto and a meteor collide. It's like taking a magnet and a few penny's and trying to make it collide.

Obviously it is his choosing, since he was able to bring a nail out of wood without even budging the wood slightly. So he was able to just effect the nails gravity and not it's surroundings.

Bansho tennin on two seperate things if they're moving at two different rates they will seperate. Bansho tennin can hold something in place by just grabbing them not using the pull or push effect. Just like when he got kcm Naruto, he was briefly held in place before Nagato pulled him in.

Another is the fact he was able to pull the boulder out of the water without disturbing the water itself, so he didn't bring out a cluster of water at the same time.

 

[KidGamer65]

It's clear as day Nagato used two sperate bansho tenning on the meteor and Naruto.

Nagato's in the middle, if they can only be dragged towards him it would be impossible to make Naruto and a meteor collide. It's like taking a magnet and a few penny's and trying to make it collide.

Obviously it is his choosing, since he was able to bring a nail out of wood without even budging the wood slightly. So he was able to just effect the nails gravity and not it's surroundings.

Bansho tennin on two seperate things if they're moving at two different rates they will seperate. Bansho tennin can hold something in place by just grabbing them not using the pull or push effect. Just like when he got kcm Naruto, he was briefly held in place before Nagato pulled him in.

No he didn't use two separate Bansho Tennin, he pulled the rock and Naruto towards him with one Bansho Tennin. Not the same thing.

Wrong, the rock was clearly brought over to where Nagato was as he is the epicenter and Naruto was coming from the opposite direction, just because Nagato is the epicenter it doesn't mean that every object is attracted to his exact spot.

He simply pulled the nail out of the wood. There is nothing obstructing it so naturally he is able to pull it out without affecting the wood.

Where are you getting this stuff from? Obviously not the manga since KCM Naruto was never held in place by Bansho Tennin like you claim he was.

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If you look at the scan you will clearly see that Naruto's feet have lifted off the ground, his torso is sticking out farther than the rest of his body due to being pulled by Nagato and the drawings under his feet show that he moved foward yet you say he was held in place.

Bansho Tennin someone with one and Susanoo with another isn't happening because:

-Bansho Tennin can't directly interfere with the user housed in Susanoo, only the Susanoo itself.
-Nagato can only use one BT at a time, all he did was attract multiple items with it.

Nagato being able to use 2 BT at the same time goes against the fact that ST and BT both have a 5 second time limit.

 

[shelke]

BT and ST employ attractive and repulsive forces with Nagato as the centre of the pull or push force. This is seriously still being argued? BT doesn't hold anything in its place, nor does Nagato use two BTs'. Where are you people even getting this from?

 

[Douryoku]

Quite the persuasive argument(s), Bogard.

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