Proof Bansho tenin > Susanoo

[Exaar]

@Exaar They are being pulled in along with the debris. This is hardly plot no jutsu. Is this even an argument? The point is CT's pull is much more powerful and BT and it was unable to draw Itachi out of his Susano'o. It was moving along him. This argument is again supported with Danzo's wind technique that was strengthened tenfold by Baku's suction, enough to crack Susano'o, but it never pulled or drove him out of it.

This makes two arguments in its support, making this thread nothing but a half-hearted assumption.

So whats your excuse for it not affecting Naruto nor Bee.

They shouldn't of been traveling up while standing on the rocks in the first place, They should've been pulled away from what ever surface they were standing on, Not casually standing on it. Like what happened to Naruto in kyuubi mode.

Asoon as Chibaku tensei started they almost instantly started getting sucked towards it.

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You can see the core is Bare, Yet by the time they destroyed it, it was covered in a thick layer of rocks

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So please tell me, What was so special about the rocks them 3 were standing on that made them travel so much slower than the rest of the debris that got sucked up.

 

[TrollingSage]

WTF are talking about?

The fact is Sasuke withstand Baku's wind pulling attack and unlike Danzo....Pain won't have someone behind Sasuke to pull towards him.

Sasuke withstand one wind pulling attack while he tried his best against the other....Pain won't have that disadvantage on Sasuke or any other Susanoo user.

Am talking about the next part of the incident you neglected to post.
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As you can see, Baku created a gap in susano. Danzo even says "the gap in susano is there".

 

[BlinkST]

Bansho tennin can't possibly work on Susanoo in that manner when something is hiding behind it. Sort of a pointless discussion, considering there's not much purpose in even attracting something that large.

 

[shelke]

@Exaar So now you are arguing manga pages? I am not the person to quarrel on this account, you can always take it up with Kishimoto. These manga pages prove this notion wrong and that's that. CT was unable to pull Itachi out of Susano'o or affect it in any form. Same is the case with Baku's Suction that did not pull Sasuke out of his Susano'o, when it did manage to create a crack in conjunction with Danzo's technique. In both cases, Susano'o was pulled together with the user. What is so hard to see here?

Susano'o is created and the user moves up tiers or loses them based on constant chakra supply. This is a fact which was displayed when Sasuke moved in and out of incomplete and ribs form during his fight with Mei. This means, that when the user is low on Chakra, the Susano'o loses a tier. When User supplies more chakra, the user climbs a tier.

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- The mist is eating away at the bones and It starts to penetrate when he tried to jump to a higher tier in the previous image and loses a ton of Chakra in the process. Both Mei and Karin attest to that -

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When it's so intricately connected with the user's chakra network, how is the user getting pulled out of something that is constantly connected to his chakra networks? This doesn't even make any sense. This would only be valid, if the user did not lose forms on loss of their chakra and implying that Susano'o once erected acts as an independent shield, free from the chakra network of the user. Like a technique separate from users body. When Susano'o doesn't behave in this manner at all.

 

[Exaar]

@Exaar So now you are arguing manga pages? I am not the person to quarrel on this account, you can always take it up with Kishimoto. These manga pages prove this notion wrong and that's that. CT was unable to pull Itachi out of Susano'o or affect it in any form. Same is the case with Baku's Suction that did not pull Sasuke out of his Susano'o, when it did manage to create a crack in conjunction with Danzo's technique. In both cases, Susano'o was pulled together with the user. What is so hard to see here?

Susano'o is created and the user moves up tiers or loses them based on constant chakra supply. This is a fact which was displayed when Sasuke moved in and out of incomplete and ribs form during his fight with Mei. This means, that when the user is low on Chakra, the Susano'o loses a tier. When User supplies more chakra, the user climbs a tier.

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- The mist is eating away at the bones and It starts to penetrate when he tried to jump to a higher tier in the previous image and loses a ton of Chakra in the process. Both Mei and Karin attest to that -

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When it's so intricately connected with the user's chakra network, how is the user getting pulled out of something that is constantly connected to his chakra networks? This doesn't even make any sense. This would only be valid, if the user did not lose forms on loss of their chakra and implying that Susano'o once erected acts as an independent shield, free from the chakra network of the user. Like a technique separate from users body. When Susano'o doesn't behave in this manner at all.

Because it's created from their chakra, Doesn't mean it's directly connects to his chakra network.

If it was Madara wouldn't of been able to get pulled out of it no matter how hard Gaara tried.

 

[shelke]

^ I just gave you examples and still you believe you are right? Why on earth was Sasuke losing Susano'o when he was low on chakra IF it isn't directly connected to his chakra networks? Gaara got his sand lightened by Onoki to achieve that feat and held Susano'o in its place -

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- and then pulled Madara out. Now why would he do that if he isn't connected to his Chakra networks?

 

[Exaar]

^ I just gave you examples and still you believe you are right? Why on earth was Sasuke losing Susano'o when he was low on chakra IF it isn't directly connected to his chakra networks? Gaara got his sand lightened by Onoki to achieve that feat and held Susano'o in its place -

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- and then pulled Madara out. Now why would he do that if he isn't connected to his Chakra networks?

If susanoo was directly connected to the chakra network of the user, Then when madara's "connection" was broken via being pulled out, His susanoo should've instantly started to vanish, But it didn't.

Susnoo wasn't affected in the slightest the moment he got pulled out.

 

[shelke]

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- Look at the amount of Sand stuck to Susano'o to hold it in its place for Gaara to accomplish the task. I asked you a question; why would he go through all this trouble when he can simply pull him out IF it is not easy to pull the user out of Susano'o?

What? It is almost completely gone here -

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- after being detached from the user.

 

[AlphaScythian]

If susanoo was directly connected to the chakra network of the user, Then when madara's "connection" was broken via being pulled out, His susanoo should've instantly started to vanish, But it didn't.
Susnoo wasn't affected in the slightest the moment he got pulled out.

I already explained it b4, bigger susanoo is usually void, but u can fill it with chakra cloak and thus become attacked to it.
The use had the option to separate susano from himself or to be one whole. Madara was disconnected so it worked

 

[Exaar]

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- Look at the amount of Sand stuck to Susano'o to hold it in its place for Gaara to accomplish the task. I asked you a question; why would he go through all this trouble when he can simply pull him out IF it is not easy to pull the user out of Susano'o?

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- after being detached from the user.

How do i know why he did it, Could've been to stop it from counter attacking or attemting to defend against Gaara's attack, Doesn't mean Gaara needed to do it.

His susanoo only started to vanish after he absorbed the attacked and backed off to where Muu was, For me hinting he deactivated himself, If it was directly connected it should of happaned the moment the connection was broken not after he had time to absorb an attack and jump back up to where muu was.

 

[shelke]

^ You expect a level 3 Suano'o to poof out of existence there and then, considering the amount of chakra invested in it? How can he deactivate it, when he isn't inside Susano'o himself? Since you are constantly evading my question, it goes to show that you don't have a solid argumentation. Henceforth, I am done with this discussion.

 

[shelke]

P.s: Sorry for double posting. So, in your opinion Gaara basically piled up all that sand over Susano'o because he didn't need to do it? Yeah okay so he basically wasted chakra in this crucial fight when every drop of it is important for no apparent reason? Lol Wow, really, is this your counter argument?

 

[AlphaScythian]

From my understanding since always gaara simply pulled madara from under susanoo. He used sand to grab and lift susanoo to create an opening to drag out madara. And it makes most sense to me, rather then piercing susanoo with some sand and madara's face.
But who knows right?

 

[Exaar]

^ You expect a level 3 Suano'o to poof out of existence there and then, considering the amount of chakra invested in it? How can he deactivate it, when he isn't inside Susano'o himself? Since you are constantly evading my question, it goes to show that you don't have a solid argumentation. Henceforth, I am done with this discussion.

It should've started asoon as the connection was broken, But it didn't.

It only started after madara backed off.

P.s: Sorry for double posting. So, in your opinion Gaara basically piled up all that sand over Susano'o because he didn't need to do it? Yeah okay so he basically wasted chakra in this crucial fight when every drop of it is important for no apparent reason? Lol Wow, really, is this your counter argument?

As i said, he could've done it to stop the risk of susanoo counter attacking.

If he is going to attack madara directly he might aswell take out the risk of susanoo counter attacking or attemtping to stop His attack.

All i said was he did it to eliminate the Risk, Doesn't mean he needed to do it, He was just being careful.

 

[AlphaScythian]

It should've started asoon as the connection was broken, But it didn't.
It only started after madara backed off.

This doesnt work like that. Madara called susanoo off. Remember tsunade braking the sword and using it on madara?

 

[FearxDeath]

Very well done, but lets remember that susano is pretty rare and that there are only 1 rinnegan in existence and it right now belongs to a Susano user. Theoritically it works, but practically it doesnt.

 

[Brooks]

Am talking about the next part of the incident you neglected to post.
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As you can see, Baku created a gap in susano. Danzo even says "the gap in susano is there".

Wow, are you even reading the Manga carefully son?

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Chapter 479 page 9^Danzo was the one who created that opening behind the Susanoo with Baku increasing his Wind power....the summon Baku was never the open who created the gap.

 

[khaydz5]

@Exaar They are being pulled in along with the debris. This is hardly plot no jutsu. Is this even an argument? The point is CT's pull is much more powerful and BT and it was unable to draw Itachi out of his Susano'o. It was moving along him. This argument is again supported with Danzo's wind technique that was strengthened tenfold by Baku's suction, enough to crack Susano'o, but it never pulled or drove him out of it.

This makes two arguments in its support, making this thread nothing but a half-hearted assumption.

you seem can't comprehend the difference between bansho tenin and CT, again read what the TS posted, its on the scans if you can just understand how kakashi explained it you should know that with BT nagato can pinpoint what object he can pull without affecting its surrounding..

one perfect example is the nail pain pulled out from the wood to kill kakashi:

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now even though nail is firmly attached to the wood he was able to pull it out without affecting the wood holding it, pretty much what will happen to the susanoo user.. pwnage.

bansho tenin >>>> susanoo

if you still can't accept the fact, nagato can also use 2 bansho tenin on each hand, he can move the susanoo to the left and move the user to the right pretty much same effect as gaara's sand to madara's susanoo.

 

[Flawž]

Susano'o is not that hard to Counter. With the right moves and the precise timing, you can counter it with many jutu's.

 

[Waltz]

Another anti-uchiha thread? It is expected.