Possibly the earliest evidence that upgraded sharingan = rinnegan

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Orochimaru might have known about the existence of the Rinnegan and how to awaken it.... we would just need to know when he obtained Madara's body...
But, I believe he is thinking in terms of using the sharingan like Kakashi does, to copy jutsu...
 
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He is not refering to the rinnengan lol...besides.... that affirmation is wrong.:eek: ask me why and i'll tell you.
But u cant tell that he is reffering to rinnengan cause he aint... rinnengan cannot copy jutsu...
 

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I agree he is talking about every jutsu
including Rikudo Jutsu

for orochimaru has knowledge of that
probably that's what's even in that scroll suigetsu found is Rikudo jutsu
 

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Everyone who is saying he's talking about the sharingan is retarded; in what way shape or from does a Sharingan allow you to use all jutsu?

This is the reason I hate reading threads here too many illogical clowns that will dispute anything because they didn't see it first or because it clashes with their theories *rant over*
 

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This could be true, but than again Orochimaru could have just been talking about the Sharingan's copy ability.
Orochimaru might have known about the existence of the Rinnegan and how to awaken it.... we would just need to know when he obtained Madara's body...
But, I believe he is thinking in terms of using the sharingan like Kakashi does, to copy jutsu...
He is not refering to the rinnengan lol...besides.... that affirmation is wrong.:eek: ask me why and i'll tell you.
But u cant tell that he is reffering to rinnengan cause he aint... rinnengan cannot copy jutsu...
no way at all
Come on guys.....

Of course you are lead to believe that Oro is talking about the Sharingan given the time in the manga etc.... but how can you deny that MASTERING EVERY TECHNIQUE IN THE WORLD IS NOT REFERRING TO RINNEGAN!! It is undeniable that this is a direct reference to the Rinnegan, no matter how you slice it. The sharingan's copy ability does not cover this. The only things that the sharingan can copy are things that do no require hand seals, things like taijutsu maneuvers, the rasengan and many other things, and techniques that are within the shinobi's repertoire of elements. Basically, Kakashi can only copy things like rasengan and things within his three elements, earth, lightning and water. I don't count anime, so Kakashi cannot actually copy fire or wind jutsu, simple fact.

However, Rinnegan gives the person the ability to use all elements. So a rinnegan user can theoretically LEARN AND MASTER ALL TECHNIQUES IN THE WORLD, exactly what Oro stated. Of course, this only extends to the general elements so things like KG's are out of the question, but a rinnegan user can still master any single elemental technique that exists in the world, period.

I don't know how many more people are going to come in here and tell me Oro is referring strictly to the Sharingan because that is 100% impossible. If Kakashi could master any technique in the world, you'd think he'd at least have grand fireball jutsu within his repertoire right?

Everyone who is saying he's talking about the sharingan is retarded; in what way shape or from does a Sharingan allow you to use all jutsu?

This is the reason I hate reading threads here too many illogical clowns that will dispute anything because they didn't see it first or because it clashes with their theories *rant over*
Thank you, THANK YOU! Finally someone outright agrees with me that this must be a reference to the Rinngan. People might not like to accept it, but this is a direct reference to the Rinnegan, without a doubt. Not to mention, everyone knows that Oro believed a higher level of the jutsu was possible and even cultivated Hashirama's cells for that exact reason, come on people.
 
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Nice find.
I agree he know about the Rinnegan and everything. Let us not forget he seeks the answer behind every jutsu. And how can you do it? Of course, via Rinnegan.

People keep thinking that he wouldn't have had how to know about this but let us not forget about Kabuto how close he was to knowing so many things. And he was able to do it because of who? Right, Orochimaru...
 

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If he had come that far in his research then he'd of known that you need EMS in order to attain the Rinnegan, which I believe was kept secret by Madara but hey, apparently the guy can't die and can hear things from tatoos off of people's necks so who am I to doubt him
 

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If he had come that far in his research then he'd of known that you need EMS in order to attain the Rinnegan, which I believe was kept secret by Madara but hey, apparently the guy can't die and can hear things from tatoos off of people's necks so who am I to doubt him
Not necessarily.

From this manga page, I think we can conclude that Oro knew about the Rinnegan and it capabilities, I find it hard to argue that. I also think he had a strong feeling that the Rinnegan could be obtained through the sharingan, case in point his experiments with Senju DNA, but didn't know for certain.

I believe Oro was missing an essential piece of information, that being the EMS. Again, I think its clear Oro knew about the Rinnegan, its capabilities and the fact that it requires Senju DNA, but could only theorize the fact that it comes from sharingan because he did not know about EMS. Clearly he couldn't prove the fact because he never saw a case of it, Madara being the only one.

So bottom line? I don't think Oro knew about the EMS and really had no way of knowing. I do think he knew about MS (example Itachi), Rinnegan and the fact that sharingan can evolve into Rinnegan but could not prove it with the utmost certainty because he was missing the key ingredient, EMS.
 

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Hate to break it to you

But I don't think we had ever heard about the rinnengan at this point in time, and I don't think Kishi had even thought about it. Cause if he had, he wouldn't have written that, since it isn't true that every sharingan user can learn every jutsu in the world U_U
 

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Well I think that anyone reading this chapter for the first time might find it a little strange. The fact is, the sharingan can't give a person access to every jutsu in the world, thats a fact. So someone who only knew about the sharingan might find it a little strange, but they would have no reason to believe that there was a level beyond sharingan that could allow for that. Basically, even if the statement is questionable to someone with limited knowledge, you would never be able to understand its true meaning without knowing what we know now.
You are completely wrong or at least you made some huge misconception on exactly WHAT oro wants. Read my above post for startes.. Anyway the sharingan allows the user to easily copy jutsu and learn it really fast. Tajutsu is easy, sasuke has done it with Lee for instance. Kakashi is called the copy ninja because he has 3 chakra affinities, and thus he can copy a ton of jutsu.

Rinnengan DOESN NOT let the user copy jutsu.. Surely it gives you 7 unique abilities, but that is way too little compared to what oro dreamed for....... And as I said above, the rinnengan hadn't even been introduced yet. It was introduced along with Pain right before the time skip I think. No way Kishi wanted to give a hint here xD it's not like he thinks it that much through. The group of people he is making the story to is school kids. No way they gonna go back and find something like this even after the rinnengan was made....
 

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Nice find, while I do believe Kishi has had everything planned out from the start, other translations and the Anime translations disagree with you.

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Most translations I've found Oro is "Defining a Ninja" or Talking about his ambition. Not the rinnegan, or the sharingan in particular. I would encourage you to look into other translations and watch the anime episode again. Might help you piece together your theory.
 
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I disagree, he's referring to the Sharingan.
I agree,


offcourse regardless what kind powers u have, at some point you have to be taught how use it.

Simple example,U have legs since u were born and yet we couldn't use them until we were taught how to use them to walk.

The rinnegan offers u all chakra manipulations buts its useless if u don't train as a shinobi is it.

The mere fact orocihmaru mentions the user has to encounter them he is referring to copying them, this means orocuihmaru at this point didnt think the sharingan could become the rinnegan. This came at some point later.
 
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If oro knew rinningan all about senju+uchiha to rinningan wouldn't it make more sense to try and kill naruto and use his senju body as a vessel (which would've made sasuke unlock his uchiha troll hax a.k.a ms) then take sasuke's eyes out of his head while he is still a weaker kid.
 

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Hate to break it to you

But I don't think we had ever heard about the rinnengan at this point in time, and I don't think Kishi had even thought about it. Cause if he had, he wouldn't have written that, since it isn't true that every sharingan user can learn every jutsu in the world U_U
Its not true that every sharingan user can learn every jutsu in the world.
It is true that every sharingan user has the POTENTIAL to learn every jutsu in the world
 

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I do think kishi gave a hint there because oro is all about learnin all the jutsus and techniques including rinnegan, since he already did lots of so6p experiments like danzo
 
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