Possibly the earliest evidence that upgraded sharingan = rinnegan

[TheWillofFire]

If oro knew rinningan all about senju+uchiha to rinningan wouldn't it make more sense to try and kill naruto and use his senju body as a vessel (which would've made sasuke unlock his uchiha troll hax a.k.a ms) then take sasuke's eyes out of his head while he is still a weaker kid.

Oro already had access to senju cells/dna, thats where yamato came from, all oro needed was an uchiha body

 

[thegame]

Its not true that every sharingan user can learn every jutsu in the world.
It is true that every sharingan user has the POTENTIAL to learn every jutsu in the world

Doesn't really change what I said..

 

[Anonwisdom]

Oro already had access to senju cells/dna, thats where yamato came from, all oro needed was an uchiha body

Yamato can replicate but not match the power of a true senjus cells this this is why he can incorporate life into his wood jutsu naruto's body on the on the other hand is of true senju descent and his chakra was stated to be full of life energy which brought yamato wood into living trees and also zetsu. And orochimaru does not need an Uchiha BODY he needs their eyes their body is not naturally able to withstand the use of rinnengan while senju's are but they lack uchiha eyes

 

[TheWillofFire]

Yamato can replicate but not match the power of a true senjus cells this this is why he can incorporate life into his wood jutsu naruto's body on the on the other hand is of true senju descent and his chakra was stated to be full of life energy which brought yamato wood into living trees and also zetsu. And orochimaru does not need an Uchiha BODY he needs their eyes their body is not naturally able to withstand the use of rinnengan while senju's are but they lack uchiha eyes

Right yamato can replicate but not match, still doesn't change the fact that oro had senju DNA. Even danzo also had thanks to Orochimaru. (Izanagi is proof alone that danzo controlled senju and uchiha powers) so of course orochimaru wanted to wield those powers too

I know oro just wants eyes, but he was after itachi and sasukes body for that very purpose, not like he actually cares about the body

 

[TheWillofFire]

Doesn't really change what I said..

Well regardless it seems pretty obvious orochimaru was after godly so6p powers (rinnegan maybe) from the start of the series
Not like oros plan change after naruto part one, was always same.

 

[Anonwisdom]

..that doesn't change the fact that naruto senju body> yamato replicated dna or any uchiha's, and I never said he didn't have senju dna he had karin who is also an uzimaki. So with that being said everything you just said is completely irrelevant to my original statement which was it would've made "more sense " to use narutos body and take sasukes eyes.

 

[TheWillofFire]

No narutos body is already reserved with kyuubi, oro cant reserve it, uneless he extracts kyuubi somehow, but after extraction naruto would die

And if he gets narutos body how is he suppose to unlock rinnegan?
Would have to be unlockin rinnegan then put it in naruto

Like madara gave nagato eyes after he personally unlocked
Not like madara just gave sharingan to nagato to convert rinnegan

 

[Zato]

Why do you guys think he wants Sasuke so bad? Why do you think Kabuto wants Sasuke so bad as well? After Kabuto seen that Madara awoken the Rinnegan through his Sharigan it gave Kabuto the answers he was looking for. Remember he said it was a hypothesis that the Rinnegan was the next step for the Sharigan. This explains why Oro and even Kabuto wants Sasuke so bad.

 

[Anonwisdom]

If he takes sasukes sharingan, he can use it to surpress and control kurama, naruto will not die from an extraction of kurama because of his life force he will survive just as his mother survived it, explain this we all agree oro goal was rinnengan how would he have unlocked it if he was successful in takin sasuke's body before itachi gave him ms or obito gave him ems.....the answer is we don't know , but I bet kishi and the "man who knows all " (oro) know how.saying its impossible for asenju to unlock rinnengan with no definite proof from the manga is stupid.

 

[Floydical]

You are completely wrong or at least you made some huge misconception on exactly WHAT oro wants. Read my above post for startes.. Anyway the sharingan allows the user to easily copy jutsu and learn it really fast. Tajutsu is easy, sasuke has done it with Lee for instance. Kakashi is called the copy ninja because he has 3 chakra affinities, and thus he can copy a ton of jutsu.

Rinnengan DOESN NOT let the user copy jutsu.. Surely it gives you 7 unique abilities, but that is way too little compared to what oro dreamed for....... And as I said above, the rinnengan hadn't even been introduced yet. It was introduced along with Pain right before the time skip I think. No way Kishi wanted to give a hint here xD it's not like he thinks it that much through. The group of people he is making the story to is school kids. No way they gonna go back and find something like this even after the rinnengan was made....

Of course Rinnegan doesn't let you copy jutsus, what it does is allow to learn every jutsu that the world has to offer, based on the 5 elements. Like I've said multiple times, this excludes things like KG and KT, but it is a sort-of upgrade to the copy ability because it is allowing you access to more new jutsu than the sharingan did. The only fact I was concentrating on was that Oro was talking about every jutsu and its hard to argue he's talking about the sharingan because of that simple fact.

Nice find, while I do believe Kishi has had everything planned out from the start, other translations and the Anime translations disagree with you.

Here is one for example.

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Most translations I've found Oro is "Defining a Ninja" or Talking about his ambition. Not the rinnegan, or the sharingan in particular. I would encourage you to look into other translations and watch the anime episode again. Might help you piece together your theory.

You are right about the anime, typically their translations are 100% accurate, but manga is a different story. If you find one group of translators that translates one section right, they likely translated anther section wrong. What I'm saying is I have yet to find one translation that seems to get everything right. By chance, what website did you find this from? Of all the translations I looked at, none of them matched the one you posted.

More on the topic, finally someone tried to discount my theory without straight up posting, "Nope, he was talking about the sharingan, you're wrong." None of these people had any proof to counter my claim because simply none existed. We all knew Oro's final plan included mastering all jutsu and we knew that he hypothesized that sharingan could become rinnegan, so it was possible. You are the first to actually present a valid argument against my theory, and I commend you for it.

Now its still possible that either translation is correct, but I feel that yours is more accurate. With that being said, I cannot really state that this is a direct reference to the Rinnegan, I think that much is clear. But Oro is still talking about a person's ability to master all jutsu. We always knew that Oro's goal was to master all jutsu, but clearly no normal person can do this because no one has access to all 5 nature types.

So in a way, this is still referencing the Rinnegan, but its a much more subtle reference when comparing this translation to the other. Again, we always knew it was Oro's goal to master all jutsu, so with the knowledge we have now, its clear the Rinnegan was within his plans for the future. Either way, I love that someone actually put up a valid argument against my post, but I still think the reference is there, just not as clear as the translation I was basing all this off of.