[Discussion] Possible Insight from Kishimoto on Combatting IT

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I called this a discussion because I am not predicting anything and articulating the details of a theory. I also realize that the anime is not necessarily a predictor of the manga and that Kishi chooses to introduce things in the Naruto anime that are inconsistent with the manga. So these are simply some things that I have been thinking about over the course of the last two managa chapters. I am curious if anyone else has thoughts about them, as well.

With that disclaimer clearly in mind, I find it at least interesting, and possibly a source of insight, to note a few things which might be applicable to Infinite Tsukuyomi (IT). Of course this is a reference to Naruto 6 Road to Ninja. In particular, two things make this one (I said “one,” not “the only” or “the most true”) source of insight into Kishi’s thinking:

  • Limited Tsukuyomi (LT) was introduced after (chronologically) Infinite Tsukuyomi and it was introduced basically as a warm-up exercise. Also noted for the record that it was referred to as a prototype, which implies limitations.
  • It was written by Kishi. That might (possibly, could be) an exercise he undertook to explore how different plot items would play out in the context of Tsukuyomi in general.
So on with it then. Here are a few things that suggest to me that Kishi might have been thinking of ways to make Infinite Tsukuyomi terrible, but able to overcome by the determined protagonist of his manga:

  1. Crimson Moon Scroll – So introduced as some prophecy that clearly created concern and was thought by Naruto to be able to get them out of the fake world Obito created (thought to be Madara at the time, but we know now it was Obito). Interesting that the scroll was never actually read in the anime movie. However, Naruto did notice the moon was crimson at the time he and it was then that he threw his kunai at what turned out to be the crystal orb that Obito used to cast Limited Tsukuyomi, thereby dispelling the fake world (essentially cancelling the genjitsu).
  2. Obito, in speaking with Zetsu, noted that the world had its limitations and Obito had limitations within it. One blaring limitation was that once created, not even Obito could change it.
  3. Zetsu for his own part observed that Obito did not have full control over events in that world and there was a certain amount of “free will” if you like, for those who could maintain memories and recognize the differences from reality. (Very Matrix like, in that respect.)
  4. Those on which the LT was cast, namely Naruto and Sakura, were aware almost immediately that something was off. As they progressed deeper into the fake world, they became more aware and eventually were able to tell they were in a fake world and under genjitsu. However, despite knowing, they both very nearly slipped into the charms of the dream. It was strength of character, not to mention that the dream in reality is never what one imagines, which brought them back to consciously fighting against the dream state.
  5. Even when Obito tried to completely wipe Naruto’s memory, it did not work. His deepest memories that form the basis of what he believes were able to be recalled and brought him back.
  6. Kuruma also knew it was a fake world, noting that if Naruto died in the dream he, Kuruma, would likely be trapped.

There are a few other minor points I think where Kishi was playing with some ideas around Tsukuyomi, but these are the major ones I think might give some insight into how Kishi deals with IT in the coming chapters (i.e. 678 onward).

Flame me if you must, but I am more interested in hearing ideas from other people about these points with respect to possible use as a means to combat Madara and IT in general. Also, if there are any other major insight that others picked up from Road to Ninja that I have not listed, by all means let’s hear your ideas.

Thanks for readking.
 

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I did i not notice all this in "road to ninja"......maybe i was too focused on battles.....i read all, but the real version will obviously give the user more advantage and control, considering the power gap between rikudo madara, and an odinary obito.....
also i noticed one exact similarity, a very strong light was emmited from the ball obito held in his hand, it was this light that put naruto and sakura in the genjutsu.
In madara's case the strong light was emmited from the moon and could affect sleeping individuals, even penetrating walls...
 

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I did i not notice all this in "road to ninja"......maybe i was too focused on battles.....i read all, but the real version will obviously give the user more advantage and control, considering the power gap between rikudo madara, and an odinary obito.....
also i noticed one exact similarity, a very strong light was emmited from the ball obito held in his hand, it was this light that put naruto and sakura in the genjutsu.
In madara's case the strong light was emmited from the moon and could affect sleeping individuals, even penetrating walls...
Yes, I noticed the light, as well. Kishi does keep the anime fairly well aligned to the manga, though there tends to be artistic license taken in the anime.
 

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Is it sexist if I actually believe you are a girl from how you write?

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I think the fruit will emerge and someone(Naruto) probably will consume it and use it's powers to free his comrades and seal Madara away... It sounds real clíche but that is Kishimoto's style, IMO.

If going by the above it makes sense when Sasuke tells Naruto to wait, I doubt the Genjutsu can be stopped at this point via normal means, people have already become batteries for the Shinju Tree.

This also goes well with Naruto's new found Chakra control prowess, because he might end up re-introducing Ninshuu to the Ninja world?
 
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Naruto destroyed many of those meteors.
Seeing as his reckless attitude, I believe he will throw an extremely large elemental rasen-shuriken. And destroy the moon.
Yes I believe in this too.
 

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It's as you wish to see it. He's a reckless fool and would do anything that has destruction. Although, the moon isn't a planet.
Yeaa yeaa moon isn't a planet, it isn't a star either and satellite buster just sounds plain lame?

I doubt Naruto would be able to do this or would actually do this unless he intends to make a new moon.

Hmm this got me thinking maybe this is why it's said SO6P created the moon because after his mommy used IT in order to stop it he had to destroy the moon o_O? Maybe it's too early in the morning.
 

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Yeaa yeaa moon isn't a planet, it isn't a star either and satellite buster just sounds plain lame?
Let's keep this a bit of a mature chat shall we?

I doubt Naruto would be able to do this or would actually do this unless he intends to make a new moon.
I'll agree with you on this.

Hmm this got me thinking maybe this is why it's said SO6P created the moon because after his mommy used IT in order to stop it he had to destroy the moon o_O? Maybe it's too early in the morning.
You got me... This is kind of mind twisting.
 

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what's LT ?
Limited Tsukiyomi. It was shown as a prototype to the infinite one. It has much weakness, obviously. And was to show the effects of dreams of the Infinite Tsukiyomi.

The movie plot was written by Kishimoto himself, so we can use some of the LT effects to predict some of what the infinite one can do.
 

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Before I read it, I read that you say that Kishi introduces things in the manga that are incosistent to the manga? How big is his role in the anime to begin with?
 
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