[Poll] Do you believe in God?

[Our Lord Sasuke]

It's delusional, regardless. This is about the truth.Not comforting yourself with self-denial.

Santa Clause...a TERRIBLE example. To be honest.

It just looks like a bunch of excuses to me.

Yeah I know, but I didn't have another example in my mind, but I hope you get my point.

 

[Lightbringer]

God exists. If you dont believe in that, how do you explain the practicalities and complexities and mentally intriguing fantasies of our mind and of this material universe? How'd you explain the absymal concrete pillars of great success, only accessible to few?

These're questions which cannot and won't be answered without a forethinking capability to recognize and believe in faith that an almighty god truly exists.

You're using the same logic as the people who tried to explain thunder being the hammering of Thor's anvil or the Sun rising because Ra pulled it every morning.

The unexplained doesn't mean God.

 

[UndyingFlame]

yes but very faintly i belive there is a higher force in charge of keeping everything in the universe balance good and evil light and dark all in harmony there are too many unexplained facts to say there isnt a greater force behind this i on the other hand do not believe in religion i think it was made up by people who discovered the existence of this force and used it to guide people but was later abused and misused over the years in controlling people lives and limiting them.

 

[scorezor]

no. why? look around you , where's god to you?

 

[Onii Chan]

I'm agnostic, not to be rude or anything to anyone but i think its rather ignorant to believe blindly into any religion in its full entirety. We simply don't know whether or not god is real or not, you cant say his real without doubt nor can you say he doesn't without doubt. God could exist somewhere, we simply cannot be very certain on anything at the moment with religion because there is literally NO prove of any of these books being true or false. We don't even know what happened before the big bang so lets wait another 100 years till we ask this question.

 

[Edogawa]

I wholeheartedly believe in God. After conducting endless scientific search hoping to find the answer in life through logic and deducing quotations of the most brilliant scientists and inventors of history, I came to conclusion there is no doubt God exists and He proves it with everyday signs. Who created the universe out of nothing? Who created the stars and planets? Who created mankind? Who cultivated plants to grow food? Who bestows His blessings whether be through trials or good? God does all of this yet mankind still lives in denial and ungratefulness. I actually have daily personal experience with God and I've been through personal circumstances always coming out that God is without a doubt there.

 

[Lightbringer]

I wholeheartedly believe in God. After conducting endless scientific search hoping to find the answer in life through logic and deducing quotations of the most brilliant scientists and inventors of history, I came to conclusion there is no doubt God exists and He proves it with everyday signs. Who created the universe out of nothing? Who created the stars and planets? Who created mankind? Who cultivated plants to grow food? Who bestows His blessings whether be through trials or good? God does all of this yet mankind still lives in denial and ungratefulness. I actually have daily personal experience with God and I've been through personal circumstances always coming out that God is without a doubt there.

People asked similar questions which lead to the creation of religion.

Who created thunder? It must be Thor hammering on his Anvil.

Who created the night? It must be Nyx covering the sky with her cloak.

Why is the sky blue? We must be inside the head of a Frost Giant.

Stars and planets are created from Nebulas and space debris. They collide and gather, eventually forming into solid structures. They don't just pop into existence.

You asked who created the universe, but if God was behind the wheel, then who created God? If no one created God, then why can't the answer be the same for what created the universe?

And if the universe was indeed created by a higher power, then what is the point of so many empty planets without life? Is that really intelligent design?

 

[Edogawa]

People asked similar questions which lead to the creation of religion.

Theism is not religion.

Stars and planets are created from Nebulas and space debris. They collide and gather, eventually forming into solid structures. They don't just pop into existence.

And who do you think created nebulas and space debris and all other things in the first place? Laws of nature move at whatever, however, whenever God wants.

You asked who created the universe, but if God was behind the wheel, then who created God? If no one created God, then why can't the answer be the same for what created the universe?

God is eternal. He was, is and always exist. It's something mortals like you and I can never understand. The Big Bang Theory answers your last question, as no such thing the universe was not created.

And if the universe was indeed created by a higher power, then what is the point of so many empty planets without life? Is that really intelligent design?

You're asking questions that won't benefit your life in any way. God created so many things we don't know of, and everything he does there is divine wisdom to it, and even if we knew about them, it simply won't benefit our lives. I used to ask the same question before. Knowledge without action is knowledge without benefit. So asking questions that won't have an impact on your life is simply pointless and doesn't have its benefits.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Theism is not religion.



And who do you think created nebulas and space debris and all other things in the first place? Laws of nature move at whatever, however, whenever God wants.



God is eternal. He was, is and always exist. It's something mortals like you and I can never understand. The Big Bang Theory answers your last question, as no such thing the universe was not created.



You're asking questions that won't benefit your life in any way. God created so many things we don't know of, and everything he does there is divine wisdom to it, and even if we knew about them, it simply won't benefit our lives. I used to ask the same question before. Knowledge without action is knowledge without benefit. So asking questions that won't have an impact on your life is simply pointless and doesn't have its benefits.

Why can't matter and energy be eternal?

 

[Lightbringer]

Theism is not religion.

My point still remains.

And who do you think created nebulas and space debris and all other things in the first place? Laws of nature move at whatever, however, whenever God wants.

Particle physics and cosmic inflation....

As it stands, there is no tangible evidence to the existence of God. Yet we are still able to explain much of the workings of the universe without his input.

Your whole notion to God's existence stems from your awe at the universe. God is a simple explanation to things you don't understand.

God is eternal. He was, is and always exist. It's something mortals like you and I can never understand. The Big Bang Theory answers your last question, as no such thing the universe was not created.

How exactly do you know that? How do you know there is only one God or that he is eternal?

So you think it's more logical to believe that there is a being with absolute omnipotence/omniscience/omnipresence that simply always existed and created a universe, as opposed to the universe simply being a random occurrence in a vacuum of space with particles clashing together? New theories suggest that multiple Big Bangs happened before one was able to create our universe.

@Bold: Not sure what you mean by that? Can you rephrase this?

You're asking questions that won't benefit your life in any way. God created so many things we don't know of, and everything he does there is divine wisdom to it, and even if we knew about them, it simply won't benefit our lives. I used to ask the same question before. Knowledge without action is knowledge without benefit. So asking questions that won't have an impact on your life is simply pointless and doesn't have its benefits.

Well your answer is essentially "I don't know, but I'm sure it's for a good reason."

Let's take our solar system as a micro-example. Earth is the only habitable planet that has life on it. What purpose do the rest of the planets serve as empty husks that can't support life? Where is the "divine wisdom" in that? Would it not just be more practical to have the Earth, the Moon, and the Sun without the rest of the Solar System since Earth is the only planet to have life?

I'm just trying to have a discussion. It's an interesting topic and if you believe in God so thoroughly, then I'd like to know why to get a better understanding of others' perspectives.

 

[Edogawa]

Why can't matter and energy be eternal?

I'm not a scientist or a scientist-wannbe like some people in this base. You can raise that question to physics expert. But energy and matter from a mathematical perspective is impossible. For energy to be eternal, it means it was always there and Big Bang Theory discredits this idea, since matter and energy existed during or after the Big Bang.

 

[Lightbringer]

I'm not a scientist or a scientist-wannbe like some people in this base. You can raise that question to physics expert. But energy and matter from a mathematical perspective is impossible. For energy to be eternal, it means it was always there and Big Bang Theory discredits this idea, since matter and energy existed during or after the Big Bang.

That's not true. We actually don't know what came before the Big Bang. So to say that energy never existed before the big bang is inaccurate.

 

[l Forgotten l]

Do you guys ever get tired of posting this topic?

 

[lImmortal Regis]

Yes, i believe, why? Because i know

 

[Jas]

Go read up on Intelligent design, it's pretty interesting. Also, lets all keep in mind that everything has a designer. You keep that in mind, you sort of got your answer already of where I'm headed. I can also make it easier for you by using this example:

Bob woke up an early morning and was thirsty, he went to get a cup of coffée in the kitchen. Once he had it ready, he took the cup and placed it on the kitchen table. He suddenly was reminded that he had to get ready really quick because he had to get to work. He ran over to get ready for work, and forgot about his coffée. When he came home from work, he had totally forgotten that he had made a cup of coffée in the morning and placed it on his table without drinking it.

My question to you guys:

"Who placed the cup of coffée on the table in the first place?"

If you can't answer the question, I have the answer in the spoilers, but I believe you all already know.

Spoiler

Bob did.

So before that cup of coffée could even be there, I mean exist in his kitchen, it had to be made, right? And for it to be on the table in Bob's kitchen, it needed someone to place it there. So based on this super simple argument, you agree that in order for something to exist, it needs a designer, a creator, a builder... Call it whatever you like. I personally can't be easily convinced that everything just happened to be there, and that it came to being by itself. It's outrageous for me.

 

[Lightbringer]

Go read up on Intelligent design, it's pretty interesting. Also, lets all keep in mind that everything has a designer. You keep that in mind, you sort of got your answer already of where I'm headed. I can also make it easier for you by using this example:

Bob woke up an early morning and was thirsty, he went to get a cup of coffée in the kitchen. Once he had it ready, he took the cup and placed it on the kitchen table. He suddenly was reminded that he had to get ready really quick because he had to get to work. He ran over to get ready for work, and forgot about his coffée. When he came home from work, he had totally forgotten that he had made a cup of coffée in the morning and placed it on his table without drinking it.

My question to you guys:

"Who placed the cup of coffée on the table in the first place?"

If you can't answer the question, I have the answer in the spoilers, but I believe you all already know.

Spoiler

Bob did.

So before that cup of coffée could even be there, I mean exist in his kitchen, it had to be made, right? And for it to be on the table in Bob's kitchen, it needed someone to place it there. So based on this super simple argument, you agree that in order for something to exist, it needs a designer, a creator, a builder... Call it whatever you like. I personally can't be easily convinced that everything just happened to be there, and that it came to being by itself. It's outrageous for me.

Then who created God?

If you say that no one created God, then you're argument of everything needs a designer wouldn't apply.

God is supposedly omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent; that is a being infinitely more complex than our universe. But in his case nothing "designed" him, yet a far less complex thing in comparison (our universe) needs a "designer" for it to make sense?

 

[Edogawa]

My point still remains.

It doesn't. Asking a simple question of whether I believe or not has got nothing to do with religion myths.

Particle physics and cosmic inflation....

As it stands, there is no tangible evidence to the existence of God. Yet we are still able to explain much of the workings of the universe without his input.

Your whole notion to God's existence stems from your awe at the universe. God is a simple explanation to things you don't understand.

And where did Particle physics and cosmic inflation come from? The cycle of questioning continues.

Science doesn't work that way. What science does is explain of things either by experiments or observation, none of which discredit God's existence. There are plenty of concrete proof regarding God's existence. You could look it up.

How exactly do you know that? How do you know there is only one God or that he is eternal?

So you think it's more logical to believe that there is a being with absolute omnipotence/omniscience/omnipresence that simply always existed and created a universe, as opposed to the universe simply being a random occurrence in a vacuum of space with particles clashing together? New theories suggest that multiple Big Bangs happened before one was able to create our universe.

@Bold: Not sure what you mean by that? Can you rephrase this?

A God who is not affected by matter, space and time he created is one and eternal.

In other words, you believe in luck occurrences? Because that's what you're saying, and. Well, first of all, random occurrences do not and never will exist speaking scientifically. Matter exists because of space and time; space needs time and matter and time needs space and matter for all of them to form a physical thing instantly. This is physics fundamentals. It's ironic you laugh at the idea God is eternal, but you have faith in random occurrences.

No, Lightbringer. There are no concrete theories that explain the Big Bang prior events. Something being called a theory does not make it one, regardless if mainstream science accepts it or not. Science doesn't function that way. Science only explains observation and experimentation, and those theories don't do neither of that, meaning they are based on faith. So if you believe those theories, you believe them out of faith just like me believing in God out of faith, and just like religion.

You asked why can't the universe be eternal like God Almighty? Because the universe is composed matter, space and time which all three must come together instantly to exist. Matter is not eternal, neither space or time are. It doesn't work in the laws of physics.

Well your answer is essentially "I don't know, but I'm sure it's for a good reason."

Let's take our solar system as a micro-example. Earth is the only habitable planet that has life on it. What purpose do the rest of the planets serve as empty husks that can't support life? Where is the "divine wisdom" in that? Would it not just be more practical to have the Earth, the Moon, and the Sun without the rest of the Solar System since Earth is the only planet to have life?

I'm just trying to have a discussion. It's an interesting topic and if you believe in God so thoroughly, then I'd like to know why to get a better understanding of others' perspectives.

Well, there is nothing wrong with not knowing but having faith, since every person has faith in something.

Rest of the planets are the reason why earth hasn't been wiped out by big asteroids. That's one reason. God could have created other inhabited planets as sign of his power for humans. So like I said, there is divine wisdom humans could never comprehend and asking things you can't comprehend is a waste of time.

 

[Edogawa]

The universe works exactly like game programming. Universe is composed of a dimension and complex matter inside it. A game world is composed of codes that function just like particles. My simple question is: Can a game occur randomly by itself ?

 

[Lightbringer]

It doesn't. Asking a simple question of whether I believe or not has got nothing to do with religion myths.

I was making an analogy of your reasoning of why God should exist, and I compared your logic to various religious beliefs that were debunked but had the same rationale as you do now.

And where did Particle physics and cosmic inflation come from? The cycle of questioning continues.

Science doesn't work that way. What science does is explain of things either by experiments or observation, none of which discredit God's existence. There are plenty of concrete proof regarding God's existence. You could look it up.

Well, we don't know where they came from, but saying it came from "God" is a baseless assumption. You have no evidence for it, yet you're saying it's God because in your mind it can't be anything else. This goes back to my analogy. People used to think that the sun couldn't be anything else but a God, but eventually they discovered that the Sun was actually just a sphere of hot plasma.

What science does is prove that the universe that we know of doesn't need God as a factor to explain how it works. The more we learn, the less of "God" is needed to explain things and it's been in that trend since science was conceived.

Oh trust me I have. I used to hold a very firm belief in the existence of God.

If there was concrete proof, there would be a stronger argument for God, but instead the idea of God existing has been diminishing over time and less people believe in a God(s) existence. So if you have "concrete" evidence for God's existence, then it would be a revolutionary discovery.

A God who is not affected by matter, space and time he created is one and eternal.

In other words, you believe in luck occurrences? Because that's what you're saying, and. Well, first of all, random occurrences do not and never will exist speaking scientifically. Matter exists because of space and time; space needs time and matter and time needs space and matter for all of them to form a physical thing instantly. This is physics fundamentals. It's ironic you laugh at the idea God is eternal, but you have faith in random occurrences.

No, Lightbringer. There are no concrete theories that explain the Big Bang prior events. Something being called a theory does not make it one, regardless if mainstream science accepts it or not. Science doesn't function that way. Science only explains observation and experimentation, and those theories don't do neither of that, meaning they are based on faith. So if you believe those theories, you believe them out of faith just like me believing in God out of faith, and just like religion.

But again, how do you know this? How do know what God is and isn't affected by or that there is one? Where is your tangible evidence to believe this?

Never said that theory was concrete, but theories, unlike faith have a foundation. There is observable evidence which scientists used to form a hypothesis and test to become a theory. You can't observe nor test God.

So no, I don't have "faith" in random occurrences. I understand that these theories are still early in their attempt to explain what came before the Big Bang, but it is once again based from observable and testable evidence. It's not faith, it's science and I'm merely relaying to you what science suggests could have happened, not what indisputably happened as fact, which is ironic because you are indisputably arguing that God is a fact.

The comparison between scientific understanding and religious belief is a false equivalence.

You asked why can't the universe be eternal like God Almighty? Because the universe is composed matter, space and time which all three must come together instantly to exist. Matter is not eternal, neither space or time are. It doesn't work in the laws of physics.

I didn't ask that. I asked how do you know God exists and that he is eternal? What intimate knowledge do you have that describes God's attributes?

Not sure I understand how this proves the existence of God. If God is not matter, doesn't need space, nor time to exist. Then how does he exist and what is he composed of? Is he just nothingness?

Well, there is nothing wrong with not knowing but having faith, since every person has faith in something.

Rest of the planets are the reason why earth hasn't been wiped out by big asteroids. That's one reason. God could have created other inhabited planets as sign of his power for humans. So like I said, there is divine wisdom humans could never comprehend and asking things you can't comprehend is a waste of time.

@Bold: Not sure how true that statement is.

So why would God create asteroids that threaten Earth and then create Planets to protect Earth?

If God wanted to create a sign of his power, then why not just make a direct demonstration of his power?

Saying there is divine wisdom on illogical things doesn't make it so. It's just a convenient justification for something making no sense as a way to explain God still exists.

 

[Lightbringer]

The universe works exactly like game programming. Universe is composed of a dimension and complex matter inside it. A game world is composed of codes that function just like particles. My simple question is: Can a game occur randomly by itself ?

This is the logical fallacy of your question.

God is infinitely more complex than the universe; is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, but needs no explanation of how he came into existence. But a far less complex thing (our universe) can't exist without having a creator?

It would be like comparing the Mona Lisa (God) to a rock (our universe). You would question how the rock took its shape, but you would not question how something as intricate as the Mona Lisa came to be.