ShinobiEmperor
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You are aware Itachi didnt broke free by himself right? He was just extremelly lucky and was a highly situational issue.
Please show me how Kabuto is not at top 5, without dimissing edo tensei
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Jon420atrabeza2
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lets just be reallistic do you think edo madara would kill sasuke or nagato would kill naruto no this is not possible because they are the main characters of the story..... is really cool that kabuto has all those edo tense but i think that kabuto need to show more then just edo tensei they wore just to easy to seal(note:exept the mizukage he was a baddass xd)
ShinobiEmperor
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Tobi we dont know, they are pretty much even. Tobi has Rinnegan powers, Kabuto his edo summons, Tobi has GM, Kabuto has Madara. They are very even.
I agree with Shisui, he is basically the kryptonite to Kabuto. Though it is possible Shisiu might be killed by the summons, there is a high chance he can succeed before he summons or genjutsu his way.
Naruto KM?! Naruto KM was being raped by edo Nagato alone, how is he going to handle Kabuto at full power?
How is Nagato going to handle Kabuto at full power who has Edo Nagato and Madara which is superior?
Shisui will just tell the summons to kill kabuto and then stay still while he seals them
Tobi has 7 tailed beast
Naruto KM is faster then the raikage and minato and he can spam Kage level clones to match the edo tensei
Nagato Chibaku tensei to all the edos
Chaotic Blades
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Edo Tensei is something that requires the chakra and body and soul of another person. Therefore it's not his power cause he has to use another person. It's not like he can summon them out of dust. And he's using Anko's chakra so he can summon and maintain control of that many edos anyways
ShinobiEmperor
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In the bolded part I dont know if you are actually being serious....... plot isnt considered when rating characters.
This is like saying that RS couldnt kill Naruto or Sasuke because they are the main characters. You cant just say "They would win because of the plot" lol.
As for the second part, yes I get why so much people are annoyed, but again it doesnt remove the fact that with his edo tensei at full power he is easily at top 5.
Is it annoying? Yes, is it unfair? Yes. However it doesnt remove the fact. Kabuto is basically in this context like the typical european racing guy who annoys the shit out of everyone, because he wins all races because of modern equipment and cheap tricks, and that when he loses everyone including the audience is happy.
ShinobiEmperor
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Madara has a 2 meteors that soloed the bulk of the Shinobi army. These 2 moves seem pretty even, and Gedou Mazo is too massive to block the meteors, it would have to tank them, again its possible, but Tobi and Kabuto seem too even. Its like Naruto vs Sasuke, too even to tell, at least right now. Perhaps when Tobi is fighting Naruto we will know he is for certain stronger or when Kabuto fights Itachi will reveal "that" jutsu to be a troll haxx that would rape Tobi, could go either way right now seriously.
About KM, he only has physical attacks, you are acting like if Naruto would defeat Kabuto in seconds, Kabuto only has to clap and edo army GG Naruto. Remember physical attacks dont make a dent in Orochimaru, he can be sliced in half and laugh of it. To kill a White Snake user is very difficult. And Naruto has to initiate KM, enough time for Kabuto to simply clap and do edo tensei. If you are going to put Naruto with RM initiated, then Kabuto should also have edo tensei active.
Madara would dimiss the Chibaku Tensei, Edo Nagato would do it too.
Jon420atrabeza2
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i didnt put the words bolds...o well lol
...and dont get me wrong dude i like kabuto he is a sneaky bastard that always is hidding something thats why i dont give much credit to the edo tensei because i expect more from himShinobiEmperor
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Just like basically normal summons are, in fact normal summons are worse, because there is no real compelling mechanism. Any normal summons can in theory just tell the user to **** off and leave.
Yet and I can post the panel (please dont make me do it! too tiresome) it was explicitilly said that summons are part of the power of the summoner, Kishi in his manga wrote that summons are part of the power of the summoner. And these are wilfull summons, the type of summons that can tell you "**** you" and leave, yet they are still called part of the power of the summoner.
Then how much more, summons that are totally controlled by the user and cant leave you and must fight want it or not?
People have a hard time grasping it because of the type of specialization Kabuto has. Different ninjas have different specialities, and usually those that master an speciality will be found at the top 10.
Naruto's speciality is taijutsu, Shisui is genjutsu, Minato space-time, Pre-Juubi Rikudou Sennin fuuinjutsu and Minato space-time.
You never see anyone saying "Naruto without taijutsu is weak" "If Rikudou Sennin hadnt fuuinjutsu Juubi would had won". They are their specialities, in a similar way Kabuto's speciality is the art of summoning.
Summoning is a power branch in Naruto world, like all others and Kabuto just happened to be the most skilled summoner up to date.
ShinobiEmperor
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When I said bolded part I was refering to the part I bolded for yout to know. And again, yes I want too to see other of Kabuto's abilities. However it doesnt remove the fact that Kabuto at full power is in top 5 easily.i didnt put the words bolds...o well lol
Kabuto's power has increased since he fused with oro, there's no doubt about it. But when he uses IWR it's not him using his individual power. It's like saying Sakura having Naruto by her side, and fighting for her. That's not her fighting, that's Naruto fighting. All the IWR jutsu is doing, is increasing his army. He uses them to fight in his place, like hitler with his Nazi army. Hitler would of been nothing without his followers, he would of been just some crazed man spouting non-sense.
Chaotic Blades
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He has to still use another body which isn't his or even cooperative to being sacrificed so its not his he has to use someone. Your explanation is irrevelant to what i posted
I would like to see more of Kabuto using his medical jutsu to confirm if he is a good fighter, obviously we have seen him use it offensivly and defensivly which is really handy and is remarkable in my eyes, the only thing is in my opinion edo tensie isnt all that great because ur only as good as the people you summon think of it this way, Kabuto summons 100 little bunnies lol big whoop, i will say howevery he has great skill to be able to summon AND control all these strong people who are on a killing rampage. so yes Kabuto is good but i dont think he is quite at top 5
Jon420atrabeza2
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hahaha okey bro but i guess we will have to agree to disagree which ones are the top 5
... and thats okey dude thats why this forum is to express your opinion on the manga i would stay to chat with you, really nice thread, but i have to work tomorrow so see yaShinobiEmperor
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It is totally differnet, Naruto fighting for Sakura is a friend fighting for you, because he wants. He can say "**** you Sakura Im going home"
Edo Tenseis are a summon. They are controlled by the user, they cant do otherwise.
If Sakura planted a microchip in Naruto's brain that would allow her to control Naruto and then placed a seal that allowed her to summon Naruto anytime, anywhere, then yes it would be part of her power.
Summons are part of the summoner power, Kishi said so. The prep HAS BEEN DONE, it doesnt matter if it was cooperative or not, the ritual is completed it is done only 1 in a lifetime. Kabuto at full power can summon edo tensei anywhere and anytime.
It was explicitilly said in the manga that summons are your power, seriously what is your response to that?
Chaotic Blades
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Summons are part of summoners power. But when you use another person to do it its no longer yours what so hard to understand? He has to use another person to summon edo. It doesnt matter 1 in a lifetime he still has to sacrifice for that 1 time. When he can do it without having another person then get back to me otherwise he's not using HIS power to summon
ShinobiEmperor
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You are just making excuses lol, he took the bodies, he did the work.
Again read the title beacause in 3 pages I have done nothing but reply to people who again do nothing but say "edo tensei doesnt counts".
Read the thread, tell me how Kabuto is not among top 5 without taking away from him edo tensei, and I will reconsider my position if your argument is correct. I am being serious, I want to know if these arguments hold water or if the only argument haters have are "edo tensei doesnt counts".