Taking out Jozu? He was saved from doflamingo or he would be crushed to death by jozus blow's if anything a 1 vs 1 fight between these fighters would end in Jozu negging croc, are u really comparing Jozu with Crocodile?
[Discussion] Pica vs Mr.1
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Pica defeats Daz Bones.
Crocodile has better durability feats than Pica for sure, taking Jozu's hit with no Haki clad, while Zoro easily carved through Pica's Haki. However, Crocodile and Daz Bones both get stomped by Doflamingo. Pica easily buries them.
Crocodile has better durability feats than Pica for sure, taking Jozu's hit with no Haki clad, while Zoro easily carved through Pica's Haki. However, Crocodile and Daz Bones both get stomped by Doflamingo. Pica easily buries them.
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That's not durability, that's endurance. Also, I'm pretty sure Jozu was going easy on him.
Pica's durability is underrated i see. He tanked a high end move of Zoro in base(1080 pound cannon) as well as Doflamingo tanked Luffy's red hawk and it required another high end move of Zoro(alongside his superior haki) to actually put him down. Compare that to tanking an opener of Jozu, which is usually used as a low end tandem move or being badly hurt from pre-gears alabasta bazooka attacks from Luffy, i'd say Pica definitely has better durability than Crocodile(and Doflamingo too)
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Both, actually. Taking a diamond+Haki combo from an Admiral-level fighter without your head being blown off or your jaw broken is pretty good durability. Staying conscious is good endurance. I also fail to see why the extremely serious Jozu would go easy on someone who just attempted to murder his captain.
Not really. You have to take into consideration that most of the 1080 Pound Phoenix's damage would have been delivered to the golem. If Pica had taken that entire attack head-on, how well he withstood it would have been very different as there would be no golem to take most of the attack for him.
I place Jozu's Brilliant Punk ahead of Zoro's Thousand Worlds, Jozu is obviously stronger than Zoro at this point. Brilliant Punk being an ¨opener¨ and some weak-end move is just something you've made up with no real proof behind it. Just because it's the first move doesn't mean it's the weakest or not one of your best moves. Not only that, but Crocodile took a punch with one of the strongest materials in the OP world covering the fist as well as Haki being clad to it with no extra protection to his body(unless he used Haki and we just didn't know, but that doesn't seem likely), while Pica using Haki was carved from an attack from a fighter with inferior strength.
All that happened with Luffy's Bazooka and whatever, doesn't really matter because Crocodile did indeed take a punch clad in diamond and Haki to his body directly with minor injuries. That's above anything Pica had tanked.
Because a fighter is stronger doesn't mean all his moves are as strong as someone weaker than him. Supernovas high end moves like Luffy's, Law's or Zoro's actually make Fujitora's low end moves like Meteorites or Ferocious Tiger look like shit(mountain vs buildings level, really?). A low end move from even a top tier can easily be weaker than the high end move from a high tier.
Jozu used a similar attack on Kuzan and it was meant to push him out of the way. Compare that to the iceberg lifting feat and they are dimensions apart. The logical conclusion is that he didn't put much effort in that "opening" attack especially since it would go along the lines that someone who had no way to improve while being a sitting duck in prison(with sea stones) was badly hurt from a pre-gear Alabasta Bazooka. Taking a hakified thousand worlds from Zoro is definitely much more impressive and he still took a big part of the 1080 pound cannon too
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Why would Jozu put all of his energy into squashing a bug? Luffy's Bazooka did the same amount of damage as Jozu's attack, so Jozu must have been going easy on him.
Well Mr.1 blocked Mihawk's attack and Croc. intercepted Mihawk, I think Oda given them a buff so they can survive at MF. If Jozu was going easy, he wouldn't have turned his body to diamond. Besides, Croc. was trying to murder WB, Jozu has no reason to go easy on him.
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Mihawk was intending to cut flesh, not metal, so that's why Daz was able to block it. After Daz blocked it, Mihawk easily cut through him with his second slash. Mihawk blocked Crocodile's attack.
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Meh, I don't see it that way. For fighters like Jozu and Zoro, it is feasible to say that the stronger character's moves are all better than the weaker character's because their arsenals depend on physical strength and force. The power output of their moves just depend on the force they put behind it, they don't have to have the same, universal power output all of the time. For example, Jozu's Brilliant Punk. It's just a slam. A slam is as strong as you make it. Jozu can do a Brilliant Punk that can barely dent a rock, then do a Brilliant Punk that can shatter steel, it all depends on how hard he wants to throw the Brilliant Punk. Same for Zoro. He can do a Lion's Song that can barely scratch stone, or one that will cleave a Pacifista in half. It all depends on how much strength he wants to put behind the sword strike at that time. Jozu could just throw all of his strength in Brilliant Punk and Zoro can throw all of his into Lion's Song, and Jozu will come out the victor because their moves are directly dependent on how much of their strength they choose to put behind the attack. Naming them is just cosmetic. Zoro can do a Lion's Song and then a Thousand Worlds today with the latter being stronger, then do it again tomorrow with the former being stronger this time.
Pica didn't even take a Hakified Thousand World's, he was defeated by a Hakified Thousand Worlds. Pica, with an armor on, was defeated by Thousand Worlds, the force of which that Zoro can create is inferior to the force Jozu can create with Brilliant Punk because both techniques produce as much force as the user puts in strength, and Jozu has way more strength to put into it than Zoro has to offer. Therefore, taking an attack with Jozu's strength behind it with no Haki is better than being defeated by Zoro's attack with his inferior strength behind it(thus less force possible) while you yourself are covered with Haki.
It showed no signs of damage. Nope... Look carefully, Mihawk was going to lunge towards Luffy and Croc. intercepted. Even if Mihawk blocked Crocodile's attack, it'd make zero sense for him to be surprised.
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Way to ignore my comment about Jozu not going easy on Croc.
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It's impossible for any of Luffy's attacks in Alabasta to have the same damage as Jozu's Brilliant Punk merely because Jozu had it clad in diamond and Haki. Even if he was going easy with the amount of force he put into it, it's not like Jozu has shown the ability to change how diamond his diamond is, it's gonna be extremely tough no matter what. So, being hit with that material, plus Haki, with enough force to send you flying through the air, is gonna feel like a *****. Being able to withstand diamond and Haki slamming into you with enough force to send you flying through the air is impressive.
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No you can clearly see that Mihawk saw Croc coming and blocked. Crocodile is just a bug compared to Jozu, so it makes sense that Jozu wouldn't put all of his strength into Brilliant Punk. Either that or Luffy's Bazooka is just as strong as a full powered Jozu.
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If one looks closely, they can see Mihawk's blade is over his right shoulder. His right arm is holding the handle for support, and his left arm is across his chest. The positioning of his arms is one used to make a diagonal cut; Mihawk intended to slice Luffy by swinging his blade diagonally to the left, which would bring the blade across and downwards into Luffy. The panel of Crocodile and Mihawk clashing depicts the blade at Mihawk's to the left of and underneath its prior position, with Crocodile's hook underneath it. That means that Mihawk went through with his diagonal cut, and Crocodile's hook was placed under his blade in order to counter the force of Mihawk's swing, which was traveling downwards. If Mihawk had blocked Crocodile, it'd make no sense for his blade to end up in the same path and positioning it'd end up in as he intended for it to when targeting Luffy. Crocodile came at him from above, while the blade was traveling for something positioned for below. If Crocodile was swinging at Mihawk and Mihawk was blocking Crocodile's attack, the blade would have been higher. Crocodile's hook wasn't cut because he purposefully struck the blunt side of Mihawk's blade. Crocodile blocked Mihawk.
The anime makes it very clear
[video=youtube;UKP3s_KoS0M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKP3s_KoS0M[/video]
Being that it's an anime scene of a canon moment with no significant alteration, it is indeed canon as well. Mihawk was blocked, Crocodile did the blocking.
The downplay of Croc. is real with this one. No, like I said before, it wouldn't make sense for Mihawk to block Crocodile's attack and be surprised. If Jozu wanted to go easy on Crocodile, he wouldn't have coated his arm with diamond. Instead he would of just coated his arm with haki. Heck, even Kuzan got the same treatment as Crocodile did but he never got sent flying as much as Crocodile did.
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Exactly. Why would Mihawk be surprised at the action he decided to do and therefore knew was going to happen? ¨Oh look, that thing I choose to do and then started doing happened, who would have thought.¨
You guys must learn to know that top tier usually have bad tendancy to fight on the level weaker ones are fighting at to make things more interesting. The most renowned about it is Mihawk himself who basically put himself on Zoro's level back in Baratie. Aokiji did it too in the Long Ring Arc against Luffy, and so on and so on. Not to mention, there is also the difference in interactions that could play a role. The weak M3(according to Crocodile) even blocked Magellan for god sake.
You mustn't put too much faith in little details like these ones. Eventhough i do believe it's Mihawk who blocked Crocodile(and not the way around like some of you believe), it doesn't mean much considering he was putting himself on a level far below his own while chasing Luffy(hence M1 could block his slash), just like how Crocodile could have easily tanked a Jozu level move who was putting himself on a level where Crocodile was fighting at, and so on and so on. Like i've said, it wouldn't make sense anyway if he tanked a pre-gear Alabasta Bazooka that badly when he had no way to improve in a prison with sea stones around
You mustn't put too much faith in little details like these ones. Eventhough i do believe it's Mihawk who blocked Crocodile(and not the way around like some of you believe), it doesn't mean much considering he was putting himself on a level far below his own while chasing Luffy(hence M1 could block his slash), just like how Crocodile could have easily tanked a Jozu level move who was putting himself on a level where Crocodile was fighting at, and so on and so on. Like i've said, it wouldn't make sense anyway if he tanked a pre-gear Alabasta Bazooka that badly when he had no way to improve in a prison with sea stones around
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You can see the two exclamation marks in the bottom right panel, which was Mihawk noticing Croc coming, and then in the next panel, he blocked him. If Croc was blocking him, then why wasn't Mihawk using the sharp side of Yoru?
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It actually makes sense that Crocodile's body would grow tougher in Impel Down. By having the seastone cuffs on, his Logia intangibility would be gone. Seeing as Impel Down is rather perilous and tough to survive in, his body would then naturally get tougher because it no longer has the intangibility to protect itself. Sure, he may not get faster or physically stronger or better in terms of combat, but his durability going up makes a lot of sense. Simple adaptation to the environment to ensure survival.
Croc wasn't blocking a slash coming at him, he was blocking a slash aimed at Luffy. So, he struck the blunt side of Mihawk's sword on purpose to deflect the blow. Even if it was coming at Crocodile, striking the blunt side was his best option to deflect the blow.