Perfect Jin Gaara vs EMS Sasuke

[Styles]

EMS Sasuke wins this.

 

[BLAZE]

Sasuke negs

 

[Apêx1]

Sasuke has the ability to channel his Raiton into his Susano sword, he shits with the utmost east.

 

[Strict]

Without the ability to use PS slash, susanoo is getting crushed and sealed!!!

When Madara's incomplete Susanoo easily breaks out of Gaara's strongest burial [

You must be registered for see links

]?

 

[DrProof]

Gaara shits.

 

[Apêx1]

Gaara shits.

What's his counter to a Chidori infused blade?

 

[DrProof]

What's his counter to a Chidori infused blade?

This is EMS Sasuke. He doesn't possess Currents Feats, you can forget about Chidori-Infused Susano'o Hand/Blade all together. This is just EMS Sasuke Feats, and below.

 

[Strict]

This is EMS Sasuke doesn't possess Currents Feats, you can forget about Chidori-Infused Susano'o Hand/Blade all together. This is just EMS Sasuke Feats, and below.

No. He can use Susanoo, he can use Chidori, so he can use the combination as well. Susanoo is just a construct of Chakra, which can use Chidori when Sasuke forms his Raiton Chakra to a blade in the hand of Susanoo, which is Sasuke's manifested Chakra as well.

He can also use Enton (another Chakra nature) through Susanoo.

 

[Apêx1]

This is EMS Sasuke. He doesn't possess Currents Feats, you can forget about Chidori-Infused Susano'o Hand/Blade all together. This is just EMS Sasuke Feats, and below.

There's no reason for him not to be able to channel his Raiton into his Susano blade. Since current Sasuke showed that Susano can utilise his Jutsu, EMS Sasuke's Susano would be no different. Both can utilise chakra therefor both can utilise Raiton.

No. He can use Susanoo, he can use Chidori, so he can use the combination as well. Susanoo is just a construct of Chakra, which can use Chidori when Sasuke forms his Raiton Chakra to a blade in the hand of Susanoo, which is Sasuke's manifested Chakra as well.

He can also use Enton (another Chakra nature) through Susanoo.

Enton manifests from his Susano, so that's different.

 

[Minator93]

Garra takes this Mid diff U_U

 

[DrProof]

No. He can use Susanoo, he can use Chidori, so he can use the combination as well. Susanoo is just a construct of Chakra, which can use Chidori when Sasuke forms his Raiton Chakra to a blade in the hand of Susanoo, which is Sasuke's manifested Chakra as well.

He can also use Enton (another Chakra nature) through Susanoo.

There's no reason for him not to be able to channel his Raiton into his Susano blade. Since current Sasuke showed that Susano can utilise his Jutsu, EMS Sasuke's Susano would be no different. Both can utilise chakra therefor both can utilise Raiton.



Enton manifests from his Susano, so that's different.

Hasn't been shown regarding EMS, so he can't do it. Yes I'm going to be dense for this match-up :leaf:

Garra takes this Mid diff U_U

Finally made me proud.

 

[Benjamin King]

Gaara mid diff.

-Amatersu gets blocked like canon showed.
-Genjutsu is useless to Perfect Jinchuuriki.
-Susanoo that's multiple times weaker than Madara's lesser versions have no chance of damaging or defending against sand of this

You must be registered for see links

, speed that can outrun Deidara which Sasuke lacks, and fire-power to withstand village busters.

Either Gaara blows him with TBB or seals him with Magnet Release.

 

[Apêx1]

Hasn't been shown regarding EMS, so he can't do it. Yes I'm going to be dense for this match-up :leaf:



Finally made me proud.

Doesn't matter if you want to be dense or not. Sasuke's Enton manifests from his Susano=Susano posses Tenketsu=Sasuke can utilise Jutsu through it. He uses Raiton like he did before, thus stomps Gaara. There's a difference between being dense and ignoring facts.

Gaara mid diff.

-Amatersu gets blocked like canon showed.
-Genjutsu is useless to Perfect Jinchuuriki.
-Susanoo that's multiple times weaker than Madara's lesser versions have no chance of damaging or defending against sand of this

You must be registered for see links

, speed that can outrun Deidara which Sasuke lacks, and fire-power to withstand village busters.

Either Gaara blows him with TBB or seals him with Magnet Release.

-Amateratsu wasn't blocked, Enton was.
-True
-Susano can utilise Raiton to block off Sand, Susano isn't being crushed by sand when a weaker one stopped Kirin's blunt force, so point is moot.

Nope.

 

[Benjamin King]

-Amateratsu wasn't blocked, Enton was.
-True
-Susano can utilise Raiton to block off Sand, Susano isn't being crushed by sand when a weaker one stopped Kirin's blunt force, so point is moot.

Nope.

-Proof that Amatersu is faster than the Enton Sasuke threw on Gaara?
-Sand already blocked Raiton [

You must be registered for see links

]. Where did I say the sand will crush Susanoo? And your comparisons are poor. The sand is using a bear hug fashion, and no implication implies Susanoo can withstand that.

Yes.

 

[DrProof]

Doesn't matter if you want to be dense or not. Sasuke's Enton manifests from his Susano=Susano posses Tenketsu=Sasuke can utilise Jutsu through it. He uses Raiton like he did before, thus stomps Gaara. There's a difference between being dense and ignoring facts.



-Amateratsu wasn't blocked, Enton was.
-True
-Susano can utilise Raiton to block off Sand, Susano isn't being crushed by sand when a weaker one stopped Kirin's blunt force, so point is moot.

Nope.

Still didn't do it until later on. Ignoring said opposition :leaf: And sense when does Raiton > Sand? Just because Sand is a higher-variation of Doton? Because Pt.1 Chidori (an A-Ranked Elemental Empowered Jab (piercing technique)) went through Gaara's Dome, well as his Sand Cloak? Hell, Kimimaro nearly-accomplished the same thing to a much stronger version of the two. Just means in general Strong Piercing Techs > Gaara's Sand. It was shown blunt forces won't do shit (as seen vs Madara).

What does Sasuke's Raiton honestly do to Gaara's sand though? Cut it? It reattaches. Sasuke tries to pierce it? Ok? It reforms aha I mean I don't understand why you're even focusing so hard on the Raiton-basis. When there are other technique in which could possibly give Sasuke a better edge.

 

[Apêx1]

-Proof that Amatersu is faster than the Enton Sasuke threw on Gaara?
-Sand already blocked Raiton [

You must be registered for see links

]. Where did I say the sand will crush Susanoo? And your comparisons are poor. The sand is using a bear hug fashion, and no implication implies Susanoo can withstand that.

Yes.

Amateratsu spawns and then follows what the eye is gazing at, Enton can only be thrown when it is in contact with Sasuke's Susano since Sasuke can't control it after it's left contact with him or his chakra. Sasuke cannot control flames that are no longer in contact with him unless they are still being launched from Sasuke's left eye. I have no reason to believe Amateratsu is slower than Enton when one is flicked from the body/chakra [

You must be registered for see links

] and one is spawned [

You must be registered for see links

].

That sand wasn't intended to penetrate. Not all Raiton penetrates, not all Raiton electrocutes as shown against KCM Naruto, Bee and Juugo, Juugo had a hole punched into him; he wan't numbed down, he wasn't cut through, he was simply forced through with a punch, Naruto was punched multiple times and not electrocuted, Bee's tentacle made direct contact with Ay's body, bypassing the Raiton shroud, and remained unaffected despite Chidori electrocuting him. I have no reason to believe Ay's unnatural Raiton shroud electrifies, only when he concentrates it into a point like his lateral chop, does it electrify. Not to mention the 3rd, Ay's father, could demolish Gaara's sand here [

You must be registered for see links

][

You must be registered for see links

]Furthermore, Sasuke's part 1 Chidori drilled through Gaara's sand [

You must be registered for see links

], a Raiton enhanced Susano blade not piercing through is fallacious as it's a known fact Sand is weak to piercing properties of Raiton, which the Raikage wasn't utilising at the time, nor does anything indicate he was and could with a kick.

Sasuke's Susano has Tenketsu to release Enton. These same Tenketsu can be utilised to release a Chidori Nagashi to nullify Gaara's sand in the same the 3rd managed to do it.

Still didn't do it until later on. Ignoring said opposition :leaf: And sense when does Raiton > Sand? Just because Sand is a higher-variation of Doton? Because Pt.1 Chidori (an A-Ranked Elemental Empowered Jab (piercing technique)) went through Gaara's Dome, well as his Sand Cloak? Hell, Kimimaro nearly-accomplished the same thing to a much stronger version of the two. Just means in general Strong Piercing Techs > Gaara's Sand. It was shown blunt forces won't do shit (as seen vs Madara).

What does Sasuke's Raiton honestly do to Gaara's sand though? Cut it? It reattaches. Sasuke tries to pierce it? Ok? It reforms aha I mean I don't understand why you're even focusing so hard on the Raiton-basis. When there are other technique in which could possibly give Sasuke a better edge.

Doesn't matter, it still means he could. If you want to go this way, then I might as well remove all of Gaara's non-Jin feats, since he didn't show them as a Jin. Same applies here, both are completely true, but both are being ignored for the sake of a biased argument. Addressed in my post. It didn't seem to do anything you say against the 3rd, so no.

 

[Rιver]

Still didn't do it until later on. Ignoring said opposition :leaf: And sense when does Raiton > Sand? Just because Sand is a higher-variation of Doton? Because Pt.1 Chidori (an A-Ranked Elemental Empowered Jab (piercing technique)) went through Gaara's Dome, well as his Sand Cloak? Hell, Kimimaro nearly-accomplished the same thing to a much stronger version of the two. Just means in general Strong Piercing Techs > Gaara's Sand. It was shown blunt forces won't do shit (as seen vs Madara).

What does Sasuke's Raiton honestly do to Gaara's sand though? Cut it? It reattaches. Sasuke tries to pierce it? Ok? It reforms aha I mean I don't understand why you're even focusing so hard on the Raiton-basis. When there are other technique in which could possibly give Sasuke a better edge.

If f.e. a Chidori Eiso was to act like PS slash and try to cut the sand in half, it would cleanly go through.

 

[Benjamin King]

Amateratsu spawns and then follows what the eye is gazing at, Enton can only be thrown when it is in contact with Sasuke's Susano since Sasuke can't control it after it's left contact with him or his chakra. Sasuke cannot control flames that are no longer in contact with him unless they are still being launched from Sasuke's left eye. I have no reason to believe Amateratsu is slower than Enton when one is flicked from the body/chakra [

You must be registered for see links

] and one is spawned [

You must be registered for see links

].

Enton can be spawned at 360. [

You must be registered for see links

] Judging by the speed Kaguya moved to dodge them (which you can see from the motion line), it indicates it's used as fast as Amatersu. Otherwise, a character as fast as Kaguya would not need to dodge at a high speed. I never said Enton is faster than Amatersu, all I asked for is a proof he used it slower than Amatersu. Not to mention he acknowledged Gaara's defence to block his Enton; sounds like he used it at a fast speed.

Okay, you have a point on that one. Though Sasuke doesn't have a large scale of Raiton to electrify Gaara's scale of sand, unless Kirin is used, which needs prep time and can be intercepted by Gaara.

Sasuke has never once manipulated Enton at a control like Chidori Nagashi. He has no feats to indicate that. Also, you're wrong about that. Kazekage nullified Gaara's sand, because his sand contained contains gold, which is heavier than Gaara's sand. That's why he could render it useless. Not to mention the sand has no points to be rendered useless.

 

[Dannie]

Funny how people are foolishly mistaking Amaterasu for Enton. There's a clear difference.

 

[Apêx1]

Enton can be spawned at 360. [

You must be registered for see links

] Judging by the speed Kaguya moved to dodge them (which you can see from the motion line), it indicates it's used as fast as Amatersu. Otherwise, a character as fast as Kaguya would not need to dodge at a high speed. I never said Enton is faster than Amatersu, all I asked for is a proof he used it slower than Amatersu. Not to mention he acknowledged Gaara's defence to block his Enton; sounds like he used it at a fast speed.

Okay, you have a point on that one. Though Sasuke doesn't have a large scale of Raiton to electrify Gaara's scale of sand, unless Kirin is used, which needs prep time and can be intercepted by Gaara.

Sasuke has never once manipulated Enton at a control like Chidori Nagashi. He has no feats to indicate that. Also, you're wrong about that. Kazekage nullified Gaara's sand, because his sand contained contains gold, which is heavier than Gaara's sand. That's why he could render it useless. Not to mention the sand has no points to be rendered useless.

No, Amateratsu was used to burn the Ice on his hand, so that he could make direct contact with it, and only then was he capable of controlling it, after it made contact with him (or his chakra). Amateratsu against Kabuto was spawned far from Sasuke, so it wasn't Enton. And no, it is as fast as Amateratsu travels, but it lacks Amateratsu's ability to spawn, hence he used Amateratsu on the ice and then used his Enton, rather than starting off with Enton like he would with his Susano. So Enton is fast, it just lacks Amateratsu's ability to spawn.

But Susano was capable of covering its entire hand with Chidori, meaning it has many more Tenketsu since a base Sasuke cannot possibly create such a large Chidori. Similarly, Madara would be capable of capable of using his Mokuton and Katon's on a much larger scale. Therefor, Sasuke can use Chidori Nagashi on a much larger scale, or he simply summons Aoda, who is a snake, and as all snakes have shown, they have massive destructive power with their heads [

You must be registered for see links

]. This coupled with Susano's strength should fodderise the Sand Pyramid given its lack of feats.

I didn't say he could manipulate Enton like Chidori Nagashi, I'm saying he uses Chidori Nagashi through his Susano.
-Mizukage broke through his with oil as shown, not gold. Raikage broke through his with Raiton as shown, not gold. Kazekage didn't break through his since there was no gold, as shown. Sand has been pierced thrice by Raiton, once by Sasuke's chidori against partial transformation post Chunin exam, taking off his hand, once in the Chunin exams, once by the Third Raikage. It's clearly portrayed as weak to Raiton.