People too tightly cling to the fact Kurama restored Kakashi's chakra

[Gold Lightning]

Kakashi was restored once, my goodness people get over yourselves. If Kakashi's chakra was ever restored at any point, Kishi would have made reference to it like how he did last chapter.

In fact Kakashi would have known if his chakra was restored previously as he would have said something like "my chakra has been restored?!?!?!?!" It's the deluded fans who can't accept his chakra increase that have made up this bull crap about Kurama previously restoring Kakashi. Kishi is a genius and knows what he's doing, he always explains things.

The fact that Kishi didn't explain kakashi's chakra levels means it's his own chakra he's been fighting with until last chapter. The one's that say Kakashi was restored twice can't even give solid proof, they just speculate. Where's is the 100% solid proof at?

 

[Blaze Release]

As I said, Kurama doesn't need to make any contact with Naruto to restore his chakra, since he is sealed inside Naruto.
Even clones can be restored without the need of making contact with the original, since Kyuubi is cloned as well when Naruto uses kage bunshin.
In other words, Kurama clearly did not call Naruto to restore his chakra - considering the fact that he called both Naruto and Kakashi, it is another indication that Kakashi's chakra was not restored this time. After all, the "I'll heal you" was directed towards Guy only. The "Kakashi and Naruto, too" part was about getting "on board xd", not being healed.

Op i dont think you understand that after kurama talked to gai, his sentence wasnt complete. He then went onto talk to naruto's clone and kakashi.

With me in my current slumber i like to take the easy way out. The manga has made it clear however ill do what quite alot of people here do and upload you a quote from Narutowiki backing what the manga says;

"As Madara and Obito connect themselves to the Ten-Tails by way of tendrils being inserted, Kurama grabs Kakashi and Guy in his mouth to restore their chakra. Kurama, understanding the true nature behind the Ten-Tails, begins giving instructions to how they should have the might beast. When Kakashi notes that Kurama is acting like a captain, it thinks Kakashi has a problem with it, but the jōnin merely replies that he actually likes it. Kakashi's kindness to Kurama is shortly enjoyed as the Ten-Tails shows remarkable speed, quickly overwhelming Kakashi and his team. Following Kurama's advice, Kakashi uses Kamui to teleport Gyūki in front of the Ten-Tails, who launches a point-blank Tailed Beast Ball at the resurrected demon."

I didnt need to upload that, because what kurama said shouldve been clear in that chapter. Its been cleared up that anybody in deed in this shroud gets their chakra replenished and that is the whole point with what kurama did in this chapter. HOWEVER, whether this happened the first time both kakashi/gai went in naruto's chakra is unclear.

May i also say that there is a misconception as to what kurama's chakra replenishing means. By kurama saying he will replenish kakashi's chakra in the previous chapter i dont think he means he would somehow make them rapidly regain their OWN chakra, but rather he would give them HIS chakra therefore replenishing their reserves. Kurama is filling their reserves with HIS chakra. Its just like how sasuke was running out of chakra at the kage summit and zetsu absorbed chakra. Zetsu didnt have the ability to rapidly allow sasuke to replenish his own chakra, but rather he replenished sasuke's chakra with the chakra he has absorbed. In other words you can say, Kakashi/Gai are running on kurama's chakra.

Anyway whilst its clear and the manga has made it clear that its twice now. As i said until its revealed that the first time they went in his chakra they got replenished hasnt been confirmed. Its been strongly hinted with this chapter however until its revealed, before the latest chapter's when it became known, what we saw was gai/kakashi

 

[natssuu]

based on this page of this latest chapter..

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if its not what i think it meant, then please do enlighten me..

^This, Kakashi has been restored twice.

 

[Takos]

Op i dont think you understand that after kurama talked to gai, his sentence wasnt complete. He then went onto talk to naruto's clone and kakashi.

With me in my current slumber i like to take the easy way out. The manga has made it clear however ill do what quite alot of people here do and upload you a quote from Narutowiki backing what the manga says;

"As Madara and Obito connect themselves to the Ten-Tails by way of tendrils being inserted, Kurama grabs Kakashi and Guy in his mouth to restore their chakra. Kurama, understanding the true nature behind the Ten-Tails, begins giving instructions to how they should have the might beast. When Kakashi notes that Kurama is acting like a captain, it thinks Kakashi has a problem with it, but the jōnin merely replies that he actually likes it. Kakashi's kindness to Kurama is shortly enjoyed as the Ten-Tails shows remarkable speed, quickly overwhelming Kakashi and his team. Following Kurama's advice, Kakashi uses Kamui to teleport Gyūki in front of the Ten-Tails, who launches a point-blank Tailed Beast Ball at the resurrected demon."

I didnt need to upload that, because what kurama said shouldve been clear in that chapter. Its been cleared up that anybody in deed in this shroud gets their chakra replenished and that is the whole point with what kurama did in this chapter. HOWEVER, whether this happened the first time both kakashi/gai went in naruto's chakra is unclear.

May i also say that there is a misconception as to what kurama's chakra replenishing means. By kurama saying he will replenish kakashi's chakra in the previous chapter i dont think he means he would somehow make them rapidly regain their OWN chakra, but rather he would give them HIS chakra therefore replenishing their reserves. Kurama is filling their reserves with HIS chakra. Its just like how sasuke was running out of chakra at the kage summit and zetsu absorbed chakra. Zetsu didnt have the ability to rapidly allow sasuke to replenish his own chakra, but rather he replenished sasuke's chakra with the chakra he has absorbed. In other words you can say, Kakashi/Gai are running on kurama's chakra.

Anyway whilst its clear and the manga has made it clear that its twice now. As i said until its revealed that the first time they went in his chakra they got replenished hasnt been confirmed. Its been strongly hinted with this chapter however until its revealed, before the latest chapter's when it became known, what we saw was gai/kakashi

As you said yourself in another discussion, NarutoWiki is written by people like you and me and it's nothing official.
And again, Kurama called Naruto and Kakashi to him just that they could move together - as I said, it's a manga fact that Kurama doesn't need to make any contact with Naruto to replenish his chakra - therefore, replenishing Naruto's chakra was definitely not his intention when he called him. Thus, it's pure speculation that it was his intention when he called Kakashi.

Kakashi was restored once, my goodness people get over yourselves. If Kakashi's chakra was ever restored at any point, Kishi would have made reference to it like how he did last chapter.

In fact Kakashi would have known if his chakra was restored previously as he would have said something like "my chakra has been restored?!?!?!?!" It's the deluded fans who can't accept his chakra increase that have made up this bull crap about Kurama previously restoring Kakashi. Kishi is a genius and knows what he's doing, he always explains things.

The fact that Kishi didn't explain kakashi's chakra levels means it's his own chakra he's been fighting with until last chapter. The one's that say Kakashi was restored twice can't even give solid proof, they just speculate. Where's is the 100% solid proof at?

This.

 

[Blaze Release]

Okay then ***********, who's translation might enlighten you

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Anyway it seems you are in denial when everything hints that way.
Come on its so obvious. This isnt me trying to break your heart believe me, if i wanted id respond to your previous post you made, because something wasnt right there.

 

[Takos]

Okay then ***********, who's translation might enlighten you

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Anyway it seems you are in denial when everything hints that way.
Come on its so obvious. This isnt me trying to break your heart believe me, if i wanted id respond to your previous post you made, because something wasnt right there.

I've seen this translation but it doesn't change anything.
I know you're not trying to break anything I'm just presenting my point, just like you present yours. I know what's your point - Kurama called not only Guy but also Kakashi and since he restored Guy, he probably restored Kakashi.
Now, this is the reason it's pure speculation:

Manga fact: Kurama can restore Naruto's chakra without making any contact with him

THIS MEANS THAT​

When he called Naruto back to him, it was not for chakra restoration.

THIS MEANS THAT​

There was another reason as to why Kurama called Naruto back.

THIS MEANS THAT​

Kakashi might have been called for the same reason - hinted further with the fact that he called both Kakashi and Naruto at the same time.

 

[Strict]

Why do you think Kishimoto shown Kakashi and Gai to be inside of Kuramas Chakra, after Naruto activated his new form? He may wanted to illustrate that Kurama, who finally befriended Naruto, spread his Chakra to his comrades, after Kakashi already mentioned to be at his limit. I remember Kakashi continuing his Kamui and Ninjutsu spam after being inside of Kuramas Biju cloak, though claiming to be at his limit before. It's about putting one oand one together.

 

[madali09]

..because Kyuubi restored his Chakra, exactly.

Everything you just listed does not change the fact that he received 2.5 stamina points in all three databooks. If anything, those points are reflecting improvement in Chakra control or the change of dimension Kishimoto thinks in when it comes to power-levels; nothing significant enough to justify such a drastical improvement of his Chakra.

Creating a Kage Bunshin does not immediately spell out Chakra issues. He was worried about it before he created the Bunshin. Because his Chakra was already depleted, using Kage Bunshin would be devastating; for the same reason Hiruzen refrained from using Kage Bunshin against Orochimaru, in the beginning. However, going by your interpretation of that statement, you believe that Kakashi did everything since chapter 568 with half of his Chakra? Alright, yeah.

wrong he did not. when they were in the cloak first Naruto was in control and he cannot give chakra out. Only when kyuubi is in control he can do that. that was said in the last manga

 

[Strict]

wrong he did not. when they were in the cloak first Naruto was in control and he cannot give chakra out. Only when kyuubi is in control he can do that. that was said in the last manga

But the huge cloak is representing Kurama, the Chakra Kurama is giving away in order to form his own appearance.

 

[Takos]

Why do you think Kishimoto shown Kakashi and Gai to be inside of Kuramas Chakra, after Naruto activated his new form? He may wanted to illustrate that Kurama, who finally befriended Naruto, spread his Chakra to his comrades, after Kakashi already mentioned to be at his limit. I remember Kakashi continuing his Kamui and Ninjutsu spam after being inside of Kuramas Biju cloak, though claiming to be at his limit before. It's about putting one oand one together.

Please give me a proof of Kakashi being restored any time before 609.

 

[FloriGlori]

He did not improve? Seriously? Compare his first uses of Kamui to any later ones - it is obvious as hell that Kakashi improved his Kamui dramatically throughout the manga.

Don't just skip my posts. I never said or even hinted that Kakashi did not improve throughout the the manga, which he obviously did quite a lot; I said that his Chakra levels never improved, which a proven fact.
Of course his mastery over Kamui improved, but the strain did not significantly reduce altogether. Put emphasis on the word significant; even the minor improvements he may have made in that area do not justify such excessive use of the technique with less than half of his Chakra. After he lost half of his Chakra against Tendo and Shurado, his limit were some ordinary moves, some Doton, one Raikiri and two extremely small Kamui. I don't expect more than a 'Other characters improved as well, why shouldn't Kakashi have improved?' as your answer. You're simply in denial, here.

Right, it's difficult to prove you wrong. So, as I admit I'm unable to prove you wrong at this point, I'll present my point by showing the LACK of evidence for your speculation:
a) there's no indication that Kurama restored Kakashi's chakra RIGHT AFTER restoring it. :|
b) the fact that he called Kakashi to get on board isn't any kind of evidence, as he also called back Naruto, whom he can give chakra without making any contact with him.

Also, don't say "but it's more likely than if Kakashi was to do it on his own", because that's just an opinion. Kishi has not made any hint of Kakashi's chakra being restored before 609. It was explicitly stated in 609 that his chakra was restored - it would be at leas mentioned if any was restored earlier.

Which I never stated. For now, I don't care whether Kyuubi restored Kakashi's Chakra again in chapter 610. My entire point is about it being restored in chapter 571, after he expressed concern about his Chakra levels.

Actually, I could throw these words right back at you. You're unable to provide any evidence backing up your unrealistic image of a sudden Chakra boost. You're absoulutely right, in this case it is opinion against opinion; but my opinion is properly backed up. Once more, just for you.

Kakashi was inside Kyuubi's Chakra, which means that he was in contact with Kyuubi. Kyuubi can both speak and act through it, and was observing the entire battle. That Chakra was, regardless of Kyuubi distributing it to Kakashi or not, shown to be full of life force, affecting even things that weren't in touch with it.

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Directly afterwards, Kakashi performed techniques that totally exceed his capabilities with only few Chakra left. Coincidence? Clearly not. To me, the case is obvious; if the given evidence is not enough to convince you, we must agree to disagree.

 

[Strict]

Please give me a proof of Kakashi being restored any time before 609.

Please give me a proof that Kakashi pulled a large portion of chakra for dozens of Kamui from nowhere through admitting that his Chakra is turning to a critical point.

 

[hatakii kakashii]

Please give me a proof that Kakashi pulled a large portion of chakra for dozens of Kamui from nowhere through admitting that his Chakra is turning to a critical point.

haters gonna hate kishi only mentionned about kyuubi restoring chakra in 609 so this baseless

 

[shelke]

It is not even a debatable factor at this point that Kakashi received a chakra boost from Kurama as he himself admitted to his body breaking down under the stress of his techniques. To ignore this and think that he somehow magically improved right there on the battle field with a vast amount of Chakra out of no where, is typical fanboy denial. If life force really does boost chakra and techniques, it could be highly probable that this 'boost' is likely due to Kurama. Take Kurama out of the equation and Kakashi's chakra reserves will return to their original state, as such a drastic chakra upgrade outside the capacity of the character is never shown in the manga, as all characters receive chakra boosts over time.

If Kurama's chakra or life energy IS effecting Kakashi and Gai, it's safe to assume that once the supply is cut off, Kakashi won't be able to perform the feats that he performed, as it's impossible for even Naruto to perform techniques that require the nine-tails power outside its said mode.

 

[Takos]

Actually, I could throw these words right back at you. You're unable to provide any evidence backing up your unrealistic image of a sudden Chakra boost. You're absoulutely right, in this case it is opinion against opinion; but my opinion is properly backed up. Once more, just for you.

Alright, let me prove you the other way that Kakashi has much better stamina now (or chakra control, the effect is the same, so I'll use the term "stamina" anyway), because as you said, it seems to be opinion versus opinion - if Kakashi had been restored back when Naruto took him and Guy into Kurama's cloak, then Guy would have been restored as well. The fact that Guy became exhausted as fast as Kakashi (in chapter 609) means that either:
a) Kurama gave both of them chakra and they both used it up equally fast
b) Kurama did not give any of them chakra (more likely, as neither Kurama nor Kakashi nor Guy mentioned any of this) and Guy and Kakashi used up their normal chakra reserves equally fast.

In both cases, the conclusion is that Kakashi has now comparable stamina to Guy. Mind me, Guy is a stamina beast (5 in stamina in all databooklets if you need any indication of that), which means that Kakashi improved stamina/chakra control DRAMATICALLY and not only a little.

Of course, one might try to counter this argument in the following ways:
a) Only Kakashi was restored and Guy not.
Rebuttal: How probable is THAT?
b) Kakashi and Guy were given the same amount of chakra by Kurama, so they used it up equally fast.
Rebuttal: This would be true if at the moment of chakra obtaining Guy and Kakashi had the same amount of chakra. If they had the same amount of chakra, then it means that to this point they used up the same amount of chakra. In other words, it still proves that they have similar stamina now.

And with that evidence of Kakashi's stamina being very good now, it's not at all unlikely that he could spam jutsus as much as he did without restoration all the time until chapter 609.

Cheers.

 

[FloriGlori]

Alright, let me prove you the other way that Kakashi has much better stamina now (or chakra control, the effect is the same, so I'll use the term "stamina" anyway), because as you said, it seems to be opinion versus opinion - if Kakashi had been restored back when Naruto took him and Guy into Kurama's cloak, then Guy would have been restored as well. The fact that Guy became exhausted as fast as Kakashi (in chapter 609) means that either:
a) Kurama gave both of them chakra and they both used it up equally fast
b) Kurama did not give any of them chakra (more likely, as neither Kurama nor Kakashi nor Guy mentioned any of this) and Guy and Kakashi used up their normal chakra reserves equally fast.

In both cases, the conclusion is that Kakashi has now comparable stamina to Guy. Mind me, Guy is a stamina beast (5 in stamina in all databooklets if you need any indication of that), which means that Kakashi improved stamina/chakra control DRAMATICALLY and not only a little.

Of course, one might try to counter this argument in the following ways:
a) Only Kakashi was restored and Guy not.
Rebuttal: How probable is THAT?
b) Kakashi and Guy were given the same amount of chakra by Kurama, so they used it up equally fast.
Rebuttal: This would be true if at the moment of chakra obtaining Guy and Kakashi had the same amount of chakra. If they had the same amount of chakra, then it means that to this point they used up the same amount of chakra. In other words, it still proves that they have similar stamina now.

And with that evidence of Kakashi's stamina being very good now, it's not at all unlikely that he could spam jutsus as much as he did without restoration all the time until chapter 609.

Cheers.

However, there are some major flaws in your argumentation.
I find it quite funny that you are talking about probability, yet cling to the idea of Kakashi having received a sudden Chakra boost from 3 to 5. If you cannot accept that implausibility, your favour towards Kakashi clouds your objectivity. But I mentioned that point often enough already, so I'll refer to the rest of your points.

1.
There are several indicators of Gai being restored as well, and that's also the most likely thing to have happened. First of all, Gai suffers devastating side-effects from overusing the Hachimon, which he did to quite some extent against Tobi and the Bijuu. After he entered Kyuubi's Chakra, though, those side-effects weren't shown even once. I think I've shown the Chakra's strong life force often enough by now, and its amazing recovery characteristics shouldn't be ignored, either.

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2.
That, however, does not mean that their Chakra reserves are equal; by far not. First of all, Gai tired out after Kakashi; and it's not even apparent if that happened due to a lack of Chakra; pushing his body too far or the damage Madara inflicted on him may have come into play here, as well. Furtherly, the most part of his and Hachibi's fight happened off-screen, which is why we cannot fully assess how much power he actually used up.

3.
Then again, even if they had tired out at the same time, nothing would be proved; different characters use up different amounts of Chakra with different techniques, at different rates. Ae, for instance, whose Chakra was hyped to be at Bijuu level, seemed to have tired out at the same time the rest of the Kage did, despite most of their Chakras paling in comparisson to his. Another example would be Kimimaro, who tired out at the same time as Gaara, despite him having less Chakra and even having fought Naruto and Lee beforehand. Sasuke tired out before Itachi as well.

 

[Bogard]

Well, to people saying that Kurama gave him much more chakra and it's why he is capable of kamuing a Bijuu, i would ask you, where is it stated that it's possible to give more chakra to someone than he is normally capable to handle? It's like saying that you fills a barrel of 1l with 2l of water. How is it possible? :|