People too tightly cling to the fact Kurama restored Kakashi's chakra

[Takos]

true enough.. forgot that part.. looking back now, i think its more of a translation error.. seeing how it was Naruto who look Kakashi to Kurama while Kurama spoke directly with Gyuki about Guy..

Possible.

 

[Blaze Release]

Op actually kurama clearly says he will heal gai later. He then says "that naruto and kakashi too."

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They then enter his cloak though his mouth

 

[KingHashirama]

If guy with his chakra restored can move again.... then Kakashi's body was also restored. to where it can move and etc.

 

[BlacLord™]

Maybe he's been refining his chakra control since he died?

 

[Takos]

Op actually kurama clearly says he will heal gai later. He then says "that naruto and kakashi too."

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They then enter his cloak though his mouth

As I said, Kurama doesn't need to make any contact with Naruto to restore his chakra, since he is sealed inside Naruto.
Even clones can be restored without the need of making contact with the original, since Kyuubi is cloned as well when Naruto uses kage bunshin.
In other words, Kurama clearly did not call Naruto to restore his chakra - considering the fact that he called both Naruto and Kakashi, it is another indication that Kakashi's chakra was not restored this time. After all, the "I'll heal you" was directed towards Guy only. The "Kakashi and Naruto, too" part was about getting "on board xd", not being healed.

 

[FloriGlori]

In chapter 568 Kakashi himself expressed concern about his Chakra levels.

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Regardless, he, whose Chakra levels haven't improved at all since he was first introduced, fought an intense battle against Gedo Mazo and Obito afterwards, making excessive use of Kamui, which was introduced as one of the most draining techniques in his entire arsenal. All that after being in contact with Kurama's Chaka, which was said to be full of life-force after being tamed and can be distributed to others at Kurama's will, for a long time. It's obvious.

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It cannot be proven, but considering the given evidence it seems more likeley than vice versa. Kakashi's Chakra having increased that much during such a short period of time, despite not having increased for years, seems rather unrealistic.

 

[Takos]

In chapter 568 Kakashi himself expressed concern about his Chakra levels.

Why shouldn't he be worried about chakra levels? Creating a kage bunshin takes half of your chakra - unless you have almost infite amount of it, like Naruto, you'd be worried about losing half of it no matter how much you have.

Also, it's ridiculous how you claim his chakra reserves haven't increased at all since he was introduced.
1) In Part I he collapsed after a short fight and could not stand for a week
- even at the beggining of Part II, he could fight for a whole night and was not even tired.
2) In Part II he could use Raikiri only four times in a single day
- now he can use Raikiri an uncountable number of times in a single day
3) At the beginning of Part II 3 kamuis were his limit
- now he can do more than 10 kamuis.

Please...

 

[FloriGlori]

he can do more than 10 kamuis.

..because Kyuubi restored his Chakra, exactly.

Everything you just listed does not change the fact that he received 2.5 stamina points in all three databooks. If anything, those points are reflecting improvement in Chakra control or the change of dimension Kishimoto thinks in when it comes to power-levels; nothing significant enough to justify such a drastical improvement of his Chakra.

Creating a Kage Bunshin does not immediately spell out Chakra issues. He was worried about it before he created the Bunshin. Because his Chakra was already depleted, using Kage Bunshin would be devastating; for the same reason Hiruzen refrained from using Kage Bunshin against Orochimaru, in the beginning. However, going by your interpretation of that statement, you believe that Kakashi did everything since chapter 568 with half of his Chakra? Alright, yeah.

 

[Takos]

..because Kyuubi restored his Chakra, exactly.

Everything you just listed does not change the fact that he received 2.5 stamina points in all three databooks. If anything, those points are reflecting improvement in Chakra control or the change of dimension Kishimoto thinks in when it comes to power-levels; nothing significant enough to justify such a drastical improvement of his Chakra.

Creating a Kage Bunshin does not immediately spell out Chakra issues. He was worried about it before he created the Bunshin. Because his Chakra was already depleted, using Kage Bunshin would be devastating; for the same reason Hiruzen refrained from using Kage Bunshin against Orochimaru, in the beginning. However, going by your interpretation of that statement, you believe that Kakashi did everything since chapter 568 with half of his Chakra? Alright, yeah.

Oh, please. xd
Now you're saying that he had his chakra restored BEFORE chapter 609?! Now, any evidence of that? Because there's not even a hint, yet alone proof.

Also, nope - he got 3 in stamina in every data booklet.
Even if only his chakra control got better, the effect is the same - he can spam techniques more frequently, INCLUDING Kamui.

Kakashi was worried about his chakra before creating a bunshin, but he obviously was worried due to KB jutsu he was about to perform. :| This can't really be understood in any other way, so I don't get where you got this argument.

However, going by your interpretation of that statement, you believe that Kakashi did everything since chapter 568 with half of his Chakra? Alright, yeah.

Because this is true, geez.
-Kakashi wasting chakra on swordsmen - less than full chakra remaining
-Kakashi performing a kage bunshin, so the remaining chakra is split in half - less than half of chakra remaining
-Kakashi WAS NOT restored by Kurama, because:
a) there was no indication of that
b) it was Naruto with Kurama's cloak, not Kurama himself - and as Kyuubi stated, Naruto cannot give people chakra

 

[FloriGlori]

..and as today's chapter proved, Kurama can both speak and act through Naruto's Chakra cloak.
My post was all about his Chakra being restored before chapter 509.

If you honestly think that no implications were made, I'd advise you to read my first post again. The given evidence points strongly towards me being correct, and seems by far more likely than him using a technique that knocked him out at the beginning of Shippuuden after three usages ten times with less than half of his Chakra, next to various other moves, despite his Chakra levels having not increased ever since he was first introduced. Think rational, my dear.

 

[Takos]

..and as today's chapter proved, Kurama can both speak and act through Naruto's Chakra cloak.
My post was all about his Chakra being restored before chapter 509.

If you honestly think that no implications were made, I'd advise you to read my first post again. The given evidence points strongly towards me being correct, and seems by far more likely than him using a technique that knocked him out at the beginning of Shippuuden after three usages ten times with less than half of his Chakra, next to various other moves, despite his Chakra levels having not increased since he was first introduced. Think rational, my dear.

Everyone improves, why should Kakashi not be able to?
Naruto at the beginning of Shippuuden was chunin-level, now he's low-god level. Why shouldn't Kakashi be able to improve drastically as well? Think rational, my dear.

..and as today's chapter proved, Kurama can both speak and act through Naruto's Chakra cloak.

And as chapter 609 proved, he needed Naruto to switch to him to be able to give Kakashi chakra and then commented on how only he can give out chakra.

 

[Baka Sennin]

the same people perpetually jerk off over edo madara and edo itachi's feats. not worth the hassle

 

[FloriGlori]

Everyone improves, why should Kakashi not be able to?
Naruto at the beginning of Shippuuden was chunin-level, now he's low-god level. Why shouldn't Kakashi be able to improve drastically as well? Think rational, my dear.

Because, as I already told you, Kakashi's Chakra did not increase at all since he was first introduced. Naruto received lots of powerups that actually justify his drastical increase of power. Kakashi, on the other hand, has not. For a character whose Chakra never significantly improved throughout the entire manga, receiving such a boost of Chakra all of a sudden seems highly unlikely and unrealistic; that'a why I told you to think rationally. Oh boy.

And as chapter 609 proved, he needed Naruto to switch to him to be able to give Kakashi chakra and then commented on how only he can give out chakra.

You're missing the crucial point. When Naruto is fully transformed, Kurama is out, as his Chakra and mind are released. That's what you commented on, that's what I corrected you on.

 

[Takos]

Because, as I already told you, Kakashi's Chakra did not increase at all since he was first introduced. Naruto received lots of powerups that actually justify his drastical increase of power. Kakashi, on the other hand, has not. For a character whose Chakra never significantly improved throughout the entire manga, receiving such a boost of Chakra all of a sudden seems highly unlikely and unrealistic; that'a why I told you to think rationally. Oh boy.

He did not improve? Seriously? Compare his first uses of Kamui to any later ones - it is obvious as hell that Kakashi improved his Kamui dramatically throughout the manga.

You're missing the crucial point. When Naruto is fully transformed, Kurama is out, as his Chakra and mind are released. That's what you commented on, that's what I corrected you on.

Right, it's difficult to prove you wrong. So, as I admit I'm unable to prove you wrong at this point, I'll present my point by showing the LACK of evidence for your speculation:
a) there's no indication that Kurama restored Kakashi's chakra RIGHT AFTER restoring it. :|
b) the fact that he called Kakashi to get on board isn't any kind of evidence, as he also called back Naruto, whom he can give chakra without making any contact with him.

Also, don't say "but it's more likely than if Kakashi was to do it on his own", because that's just an opinion. Kishi has not made any hint of Kakashi's chakra being restored before 609. It was explicitly stated in 609 that his chakra was restored - it would be at leas mentioned if any was restored earlier.

 

[Strict]

Dude, FloriGlori is right. You are the one who is clinging at absurd ideas.

 

[Takos]

Dude, FloriGlori is right. You are the one who is clinging at absurd ideas.

See? This thread was necessary, there are more Kurama excusers than one could think. U_U
After you give me a manga page showing that Kakashi was healed at any other time than 609, then we will talk, instead of posting stuff like "duh, he HAD to be healed, there's no way he could do that himself", because that's what all of you use.

 

[UzUmAkiiClaN]

You saying KISHI Don't know what his doing?

 

[Takos]

You saying KISHI Don't know what his doing?

Nah, Kishi knows perfectly that Kakashi was restored once.
It's the fans who know better than Kishi that Kakashi was restored twice or even three times.

Your point?

 

[UzUmAkiiClaN]

Nah, Kishi knows perfectly that Kakashi was restored once.
It's the fans who know better than Kishi that Kakashi was restored twice or even three times.

Your point?

No Point, This thread it's 100 % stupid

 

[Kinimaster]

Kakashi was restored twice, and it makes me believe it happened really fast.