People too tightly cling to the fact Kurama restored Kakashi's chakra

[Takos]

No one denies the fact that a chapter ago, Kakashi had his chakra restored by Kurama.
Yet, as soon as this happened, lots of people had a moment of relief and immediately began to use this as an excuse to claim Kakashi's chakra is the same it used to be.

So, let's make several things clear.

-Kakashi had his chakra restored only ONCE, which took place in chapter 609. People who claim that he had also his chakra restored when he entered Kurama's cloak have nothing to back this statement up. People who claim that he had his chakra restored again in chapter 610 because he entered Kurama's cloak are wrong, because Kurama explicitly stated he would restore chakra of GUY, not Kakashi and he would do it LATER.

-Kakashi was not physically healed when his chakra was restored by Kurama. This is an interesting theory some members came up with, but nothing more than that. Nothing to prove it.

-Some people seem to think Kakashi, after having his chakra restored by Kurama, has more chakra now than he his natural capacity is. That's another interesting theory but with no evidence.


Just to sum it up, some even went as far as to say that Kakashi is dead after 3 kamuis without Kurama's chakra. xd

 

[NinjutsuSeeker]

ok, so u summed all of this up, but what is your point though?

 

[Expulso]

I don't know how to reply to this thread...

 

[Takos]

ok, so u summed all of this up, but what is your point though?

Maybe I should have been more clear
People try to give all the credit of Kakashi's chakra feats to Kurama's chakra. It gets ridiculous to the point that some say he's dead after 3 kamuis if not for Kurama's chakra. U_U

 

[ismael]

kakashi's chakra did not increased at all because we do not have evidences at all but it is just an assumption that people have.

 

[regii sanguinis]

as per the latest chapter, Kurama had restored Kakashi's chakra twice now..

 

[Midday]

as per the latest chapter, Kurama had restored Kakashi's chakra twice now..

The kyubi only recovered Naruto's clone and Guy this chapter, so it's still once.

 

[Takos]

as per the latest chapter, Kurama had restored Kakashi's chakra twice now..

And this is what's false. Where does it say that Kakashi has his chakra restored in 610?

kakashi's chakra did not increased at all because we do not have evidences at all but it is just an assumption that people have.

We have evidence. With less than half of his chakra, he could use Kamui 5 times. That means at full chakra he can use it more than 10 times. That's a lot.

 

[regii sanguinis]

The kyubi only recovered Naruto's clone and Guy this chapter, so it's still once.

And this is what's false. Where does it say that Kakashi has his chakra restored in 610? We have evidence. With less than half of his chakra, he could use Kamui 5 times. That means at full chakra he can use it more than 10 times. That's a lot.

based on this page of this latest chapter..

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if its not what i think it meant, then please do enlighten me..

 

[Minator93]

couldn't agree more

 

[Midday]

based on this page of this latest chapter..

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if its not what i think it meant, then please do enlighten me..

Twice. But it's not like it discredit's all of Kakashi's recent feats, he only use 1 Kaumi this chapter anyway.

 

[Takos]

based on this page of this latest chapter..

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if its not what i think it meant, then please do enlighten me..

First of all he spoke only of restoring Guy, not Kakashi. What would be the point when Kakashi's almost at full chakra right now?
Second of all, he said he will restore Guy's chakra LATER, so EVEN if he for some weird reason meant restoring Kakashi as well, it will occur LATER, not in this chapter.

 

[regii sanguinis]

Twice. But it's not like it discredit's all of Kakashi's recent feats, he only use 1 Kaumi this chapter anyway.

never said that though.. i have to agree that most of his recent feats are accredited to only himself.. but restoring one's chakra is a key factor.. hadn't Kurama restored his chakra, he would have died from exhaustion a while ago.. does this discredit his feats, well no.. but is this a major factor to consider, yes.. same on how Onoki destroyed 25 of Madara's Susano-o clones, but hadn't been for Tsunade giving him chakra, he wouldn't have managed to perform such feat.. just saying..

 

[ismael]

We have evidence. With less than half of his chakra, he could use Kamui 5 times. That means at full chakra he can use it more than 10 times. That's a lot.

It is not a real evidence because kurama gave away more chakra than kakashi normally has so he wouldn't run out of chakra after 4 kamuis.

 

[regii sanguinis]

First of all he spoke only of restoring Guy, not Kakashi. What would be the point when Kakashi's almost at full chakra right now?
Second of all, he said he will restore Guy's chakra LATER, so EVEN if he for some weird reason meant restoring Kakashi as well, it will occur LATER, not in this chapter.

when he mention Guy's name, he followed it with Naruto and Kakashi.. secondly, based on the 2 pages after this one, we can see Guy back on his feat..

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they are in a middle of a battle, there is no way Kurama can heal Guy, Naruto, or Kakashi later.. just stating the facts here..

 

[Takos]

when he mention Guy's name, he followed it with Naruto and Kakashi.. secondly, based on the 2 pages after this one, we can see Guy back on his feat..

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they are in a middle of a battle, there is no way Kurama can heal Guy, Naruto, or Kakashi later.. just stating the facts here..

I admit, you have a point with Guy getting back on feet now. U_U I have overlooked this detail.
I still don't agree he healed Kakashi, though. As I said, Kakashi's chakra was restored just a moment ago, so this really wouldn't be necessary to restore him again. Even if he did, Kakashi was almost at full chakra anyway, so it didn't matter much.

Also, Kurama can give Naruto chakra without touching him - he's inside of Naruto, after all. The fact that he ordered both Naruto and Kakashi to get on him implies that he didn't do it for chakra restoration, but simply for transport.

 

[Takos]

It is not a real evidence because kurama gave away more chakra than kakashi normally has so he wouldn't run out of chakra after 4 kamuis.

Kurama gave Kakashi chakra for the first time in 609.
Kakashi used 5 kamuis before having his chakra restored.

Even if the theory of Kurama giving Kakashi more chakra than he normally has is true (even though it's baseless), this doesn't change the fact that on his own chakra reserves he can do more than 10 kamuis.

 

[regii sanguinis]

I admit, you have a point with Guy getting back on feet now. U_U I have overlooked this detail.
I still don't agree he healed Kakashi, though. As I said, Kakashi's chakra was restored just a moment ago, so this really wouldn't be necessary to restore him again. Even if he did, Kakashi was almost at full chakra anyway, so it didn't matter much.

Also, Kurama can give Naruto chakra without touching him - he's inside of Naruto, after all. The fact that he ordered both Naruto and Kakashi to get on him implies that he didn't do it for chakra restoration, but simply for transport.

No problem.. We cannot say that Kakashi is with full chakra when Kurama first gave him some.. we don't know how much chakra kamui consumes.. and seeing the extent of how Kakashi uses kamui right now, i bet that takes a lot of chakra.. fact is, Kurama gave Kakashi chakra again so that may point that using kamui drains him of chakra fast.. this probably stems from him not being an actual Uchiha or something.. as for the other Naruto, i think Kurama is referring to his clone.. i think, Kurama's chakra transfer with Naruto is not the same with his clones, one good evidence is that Naruto's clones doesn't have the original Naruto's advanced healing seeing how one of his clones begged Tsunade to heal him to he can re-join the fight.. just saying..

 

[Takos]

No problem.. We cannot say that Kakashi is with full chakra when Kurama first gave him some.. we don't know how much chakra kamui consumes.. and seeing the extent of how Kakashi uses kamui right now, i bet that takes a lot of chakra.. fact is, Kurama gave Kakashi chakra again so that may point that using kamui drains him of chakra fast.. this probably stems from him not being an actual Uchiha or something.. as for the other Naruto, i think Kurama is referring to his clone.. i think, Kurama's chakra transfer with Naruto is not the same with his clones, one good evidence is that Naruto's clones doesn't have the original Naruto's advanced healing seeing how one of his clones begged Tsunade to heal him to he can re-join the fight.. just saying..

I disagree. Kurama was also shown to be present in kage bunshins of Naruto (look the first fight against Edo Madara. Kyuubi gave Naruto's clone a chakra back then).
In other words, if Naruto makes a kage bunshin, then Kurama is cloned, too. xd

 

[regii sanguinis]

I disagree. Kurama was also shown to be present in kage bunshins of Naruto (look the first fight against Edo Madara. Kyuubi gave Naruto's clone a chakra back then).
In other words, if Naruto makes a kage bunshin, then Kurama is cloned, too. xd

true enough.. forgot that part.. looking back now, i think its more of a translation error.. seeing how it was Naruto who look Kakashi to Kurama while Kurama spoke directly with Gyuki about Guy..