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Here is part 2. Once again I worked with mister Behemoth55 so please also give him a ton of credit. It's rather long but please take the time to read it all =D
Here is part 1 if you haven't seen it:
Dōjutsu are anomalies which are caused by Kekkei Genkai in the eyes of a bearer. To wake a Dōjutsu, different conditions must be fulfilled. There are three Sandai Dōjutsu- the Sharingan, Byakugan and the Rinnegan.
Sharingan:
Rinnegan:
The Rinnegan exists since beginning of Chakra and is the origin of ninjutsu. It is called divine creation which was sent to the world by the sky when the world sank into chaos. The bearer of these eyes can become the peace-bringing creator, but also to the destroyer which destroys everything.
The basic Jutsu of the Rinnegan is the Rikudō no Jutsu, the seven different Jutsus which are also called paths.
Sasuke Uchiha now has a Rinnegan in his left eye, after he met Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki. Nevertheless, this Rinnegan also owns the Tomoe typical for a Sharingan.
According to chapter 678 the eye with nine Tomoe is also a Rinnegan, but Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki said it's a Sharingan. Sasuke Uchiha could achieve an eye similar to Jūbis due to Hagoromos chakra. That's also a Rinnegan. Kabuto Yakushi said in chapter 560 that the Rinnegan originates from the Sharingan.
It's my belief that every Rinnegan is also a Sharingan, but not every Sharingan is also a Rinnegan. Sounds crazy, sure, but why should Kishimoto-sensei declare Kaguyas eye as a Sharingan and Rinnegan? I think, Hagoromos Rinnegan and the Sasukes red Rinnegan are basically one and the same.
The reason why Sasuke could achieve a Rinnegan with Tomoe is due to Hagoromos {hermit chakra} of the six path's. Due to Hagoromos chakra+ nature energy, Sasukes chakra signature got closer to Jūbis.
Madara Uchiha has gotten the Rinnegan due to Indoras and Ashuras chakra, the final outcome is Hagoromos chakra actually. However, in this case there is no nature energy involved, but only the base chakra.
The reason why Hagoromo didn't have a red Rinnegan could be the same, but I'm not really sure either. So it would be nice to know what you think.
As we know Hagromo was born with his mothers chakra inside his body.
This chakra should be hermit chakra actually. To be correct- the hermit chakra of the six path's. Therefore I could be wrong though and Sasuke got the red Rinnegan due to a different reason.
Then there is the third eye. The eye which is used for Mugen Tsukuyomi.
To achieve those eye, you need the power of the samsara. The term samsara refers to the six path's.
There are a few powers directly related to the six path's~
-the samsara eye, also known as the Rinnegan. It holds the ability to use six path's.
-the senjutsu of the six path's(that's Narutos new hermit mode)
-and the hermit chakra of the six path's(Narutos and Sasukes new chakra)
I think, you need all three abilities to get the third eye. Madara received the chakra and senjutsu because of the Jūbi/Shinju.
As I have said it before, Sasuke said in chapter 678 that third eye is also a Rinnegan.
Byakugan: (last body of text I promise haha)
Taking all that into account, I think that Kaguya already had the byakugan and that it comes directly from her or her lineage while the sharingan is related to the shinju.
We would love to know what you guys think about all this. For example, what do you think about the origin of each dojustu, etc. Hopefully it wasn’t too long. Thank you.
additional interesting note:
Here is part 1 if you haven't seen it:
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Dōjutsu are anomalies which are caused by Kekkei Genkai in the eyes of a bearer. To wake a Dōjutsu, different conditions must be fulfilled. There are three Sandai Dōjutsu- the Sharingan, Byakugan and the Rinnegan.
Sharingan:
If an Uchiha has strong feelings like friendship or love for a person and this person is in a danger or was killed, the brain of the Uchiha releases a special Chakra. This Chakra influences the optical nerves and causes a change in the eyes of the Uchiha. That's how the Sharingan seems to work.
If the Sharingan is activated, it colours the irises red and black drops arrange themselves in a circle around the pupil, the so-called "Tomoe". The number of the Tomoe with the first activation varies for unknown reasons between the bearers, all together three Tomoe per eye can be reached. The number of the Tomoe is an indicator for the strength of the abilities of the eye.
An eye which looks similar to the Sharingan appeared for the first time as an eye of the Shinju/Jūbi. This eye had like the Sharingan a red iris, indeed, but also had whole three rings around the pupil and in each case three Tomoe in each of the rings. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki, the mother of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, had also a Sharingan with three rings and nine Tomoe manifested in the third eye on her forehead. She was able to use this eye for a special genjutsu which is known as Mugen Tsukuyomi.
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If the Sharingan is activated, it colours the irises red and black drops arrange themselves in a circle around the pupil, the so-called "Tomoe". The number of the Tomoe with the first activation varies for unknown reasons between the bearers, all together three Tomoe per eye can be reached. The number of the Tomoe is an indicator for the strength of the abilities of the eye.
An eye which looks similar to the Sharingan appeared for the first time as an eye of the Shinju/Jūbi. This eye had like the Sharingan a red iris, indeed, but also had whole three rings around the pupil and in each case three Tomoe in each of the rings. Kaguya Ōtsutsuki, the mother of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, had also a Sharingan with three rings and nine Tomoe manifested in the third eye on her forehead. She was able to use this eye for a special genjutsu which is known as Mugen Tsukuyomi.
Rinnegan:
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The Rinnegan exists since beginning of Chakra and is the origin of ninjutsu. It is called divine creation which was sent to the world by the sky when the world sank into chaos. The bearer of these eyes can become the peace-bringing creator, but also to the destroyer which destroys everything.
The basic Jutsu of the Rinnegan is the Rikudō no Jutsu, the seven different Jutsus which are also called paths.
Sasuke Uchiha now has a Rinnegan in his left eye, after he met Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki. Nevertheless, this Rinnegan also owns the Tomoe typical for a Sharingan.
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According to chapter 678 the eye with nine Tomoe is also a Rinnegan, but Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki said it's a Sharingan. Sasuke Uchiha could achieve an eye similar to Jūbis due to Hagoromos chakra. That's also a Rinnegan. Kabuto Yakushi said in chapter 560 that the Rinnegan originates from the Sharingan.
It's my belief that every Rinnegan is also a Sharingan, but not every Sharingan is also a Rinnegan. Sounds crazy, sure, but why should Kishimoto-sensei declare Kaguyas eye as a Sharingan and Rinnegan? I think, Hagoromos Rinnegan and the Sasukes red Rinnegan are basically one and the same.
The reason why Sasuke could achieve a Rinnegan with Tomoe is due to Hagoromos {hermit chakra} of the six path's. Due to Hagoromos chakra+ nature energy, Sasukes chakra signature got closer to Jūbis.
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Madara Uchiha has gotten the Rinnegan due to Indoras and Ashuras chakra, the final outcome is Hagoromos chakra actually. However, in this case there is no nature energy involved, but only the base chakra.
The reason why Hagoromo didn't have a red Rinnegan could be the same, but I'm not really sure either. So it would be nice to know what you think.
As we know Hagromo was born with his mothers chakra inside his body.
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This chakra should be hermit chakra actually. To be correct- the hermit chakra of the six path's. Therefore I could be wrong though and Sasuke got the red Rinnegan due to a different reason.
Then there is the third eye. The eye which is used for Mugen Tsukuyomi.
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To achieve those eye, you need the power of the samsara. The term samsara refers to the six path's.
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There are a few powers directly related to the six path's~
-the samsara eye, also known as the Rinnegan. It holds the ability to use six path's.
-the senjutsu of the six path's(that's Narutos new hermit mode)
-and the hermit chakra of the six path's(Narutos and Sasukes new chakra)
I think, you need all three abilities to get the third eye. Madara received the chakra and senjutsu because of the Jūbi/Shinju.
As I have said it before, Sasuke said in chapter 678 that third eye is also a Rinnegan.
Byakugan: (last body of text I promise haha)
The Byakugan is a Kekkei Genkai of the category Dōjutsu. We believe that the first owner of these special eyes was Kaguya Ōtsutsuki given the extent of the knowledge we have on the manga. After her, the only appearance that we have seen of the Byakugan was years later with the members of the Hyūga clan.
The Byakugan lends to the user the ability to see through respectable materials, his sight raises, can make the Keirakukei in the body of every living being visible and gives to the user thereby explanation about their condition.
I think, the Byakugan isn't part of the "Shinju concept" like the Rinnegan and the Sharingan. There is one important difference between the byakugan and the sharingan. To awake the Sharingan some kind of trauma is required. However, in the case of the Byakugan it's different. Every child of the Hyūga has those 'white eyes' since its birth. It seems even without the concept of chakra. Therefore, the Byakugan has probably a different origin which imo is connected to Kaguya Ōtsutsuki.
Now for kaguya, I'm suspicious of Hagoromo’s way of speaking about his mother.
He said, she came from a far away place to pick up the fruit of the Shinju. Naruto’s question, if she is an alien, actually makes sense, but instead hagoromo just said that it was not important, which is curious.
I wouldn’t go so far to say that Kaguya came from a different planet (although it could be true lol), but I'm sure she was originally part of a different culture. A folk with own special abilities~ the Byakugan. Again, the Byakugan has one important difference compared to the Sharingan: Instead of being activated, Every child has those 'white eyes' since birth. There are probably some uchihas that never even get the sharingan.
I have asked myself why Kaguya knew about the tree and its fruit and in my opinion there are two possibilities:
1. Kaguya could see the chakra of the fruit with her Byakugan even from a far away place. That would also mean that her abilities to handle her eye power were even without the chakra fruit unique compared to Hyūga.
2. The Shinju is also part of her own folks culture. She and her people knew of the tree because they planted the tree in the first place. The aristocrats of that culture would then come to pick up the fruit of the holy tree. That was the 'Princess' Kaguya Ōtsutsuki.
The Byakugan lends to the user the ability to see through respectable materials, his sight raises, can make the Keirakukei in the body of every living being visible and gives to the user thereby explanation about their condition.
I think, the Byakugan isn't part of the "Shinju concept" like the Rinnegan and the Sharingan. There is one important difference between the byakugan and the sharingan. To awake the Sharingan some kind of trauma is required. However, in the case of the Byakugan it's different. Every child of the Hyūga has those 'white eyes' since its birth. It seems even without the concept of chakra. Therefore, the Byakugan has probably a different origin which imo is connected to Kaguya Ōtsutsuki.
Now for kaguya, I'm suspicious of Hagoromo’s way of speaking about his mother.
He said, she came from a far away place to pick up the fruit of the Shinju. Naruto’s question, if she is an alien, actually makes sense, but instead hagoromo just said that it was not important, which is curious.
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I wouldn’t go so far to say that Kaguya came from a different planet (although it could be true lol), but I'm sure she was originally part of a different culture. A folk with own special abilities~ the Byakugan. Again, the Byakugan has one important difference compared to the Sharingan: Instead of being activated, Every child has those 'white eyes' since birth. There are probably some uchihas that never even get the sharingan.
I have asked myself why Kaguya knew about the tree and its fruit and in my opinion there are two possibilities:
1. Kaguya could see the chakra of the fruit with her Byakugan even from a far away place. That would also mean that her abilities to handle her eye power were even without the chakra fruit unique compared to Hyūga.
2. The Shinju is also part of her own folks culture. She and her people knew of the tree because they planted the tree in the first place. The aristocrats of that culture would then come to pick up the fruit of the holy tree. That was the 'Princess' Kaguya Ōtsutsuki.
We would love to know what you guys think about all this. For example, what do you think about the origin of each dojustu, etc. Hopefully it wasn’t too long. Thank you.
additional interesting note:
It's also pretty interesting that every Dōjtsu of the Sandai Dōjutsu holds a special affinity.
-Sharingan=Genjutsu(Inton)
-Rinnegan= Ninjutsu(Inyōton)
-Byakugan= Taijutsu
-Sharingan=Genjutsu(Inton)
-Rinnegan= Ninjutsu(Inyōton)
-Byakugan= Taijutsu
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