Part 2: Achieving peace

[guts2nevergiveup]

My keypad is messing up i meant it was incredibly good and everything that was said
Made actual sense

Thanks bro

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

Awesome thread, at the very least he can achieve a temporary peace...

Ya at the very least haha. Thanks for reading

 

[Xāvî1]

Amazing thread!

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

That is a very good thread (part 1+2), better than many jounins and even sanins threads of the base.
Good work guts2nevergiveup!


-I like your parallel with Samsara and the cycle of hatred , it goes great.
The image of the "wheel of life" is very interesting , thank you for bringing that here.

-The 6 pathes being rinnegan yielders pathes (Obito said that in front of the corpse of Nagato) fits the story , Naruto being the 6th and making the 5 previous ones believe in him is an interesting hypothesis.

-Sasuke has a crescent moon symbol on his left hand , not a half moon.
The meaning may be different than "half peace" , crescent moon is before full moon , Naruto's path need to be enlightened by Sasuke's?

-I would love "cooperation" to be the key , not just "the belief" in one guy's answer , not just the cooperation of 5 pathes of 5 dead guys in one live one.

Thank you I appreciate it.

I think you're right about it being a crescent moon and not a half moon so I might edit it but nonetheless I think the meaning stays the same in my opinion. Naruto still has the full moon and he is the one who represents liberation. Sasuke is just another step towards it. He will bring an end to the cycle of hatred between the uchiha and senju along with Naruto but not the overall cycle of hatred(the wheel of samsara).

Also I understand what you are saying about cooperation and I agree with it. However, The fact that they all believe in Naruto doesn't take away from the fact that cooperation is also the key. Many times in the manga we have seen that this is the case.

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[davidou]

Thank you I appreciate it.

I think you're right about it being a crescent moon and not a half moon so I might edit it but nonetheless I think the meaning stays the same in my opinion. Naruto still has the full moon and he is the one who represents liberation. Sasuke is just another step towards it. He will bring an end to the cycle of hatred between the uchiha and senju along with Naruto but not the overall cycle of hatred(the wheel of samsara).

Also I understand what you are saying about cooperation and I agree with it. However, The fact that they all believe in Naruto doesn't take away from the fact that cooperation is also the key. Many times in the manga we have seen that this is the case.

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That's right , crescent moon fits better your theory than half moon!

Naruto being the child of prophecy makes Naruto the savyor of the world in this manga I guess you will be right , however I don't like that concept of savyor of humanity.Even if I like the concept of entrusted wills that Naruto has from those who believed in him.

You are right we have seen great cooperations many times , I am greedy , I want more cooperation.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Naruto didn't try to kill Nagato cause of the sob story if nagato said screw u instead the fight would have ensued

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

That's right , crescent moon fits better your theory than half moon!

Naruto being the child of prophecy makes Naruto the savyor of the world in this manga I guess you will be right , however I don't like that concept of savyor of humanity.Even if I like the concept of entrusted wills that Naruto has from those who believed in him.

You are right we have seen great cooperations many times , I am greedy , I want more cooperation.

Ya haha I will edit it when I have time.

What I like about Naruto though is that yes he is the savior of this world but he doesn't act like it haha. He still really cares about uniting people whether it be his friends like Sasuke, or people he doesn't even really know.

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[guts2nevergiveup]

Naruto didn't try to kill Nagato cause of the sob story if nagato said screw u instead the fight would have ensued

It's possible but I don't think that is the case because Naruto was the one who told Nagato that he wanted to hear his story before coming up with an answer. When he arrived in front of nagato, he said that he wanted to talk to him and you could sense that he was hesitant to kill him.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

My keypad is messing up i meant it was incredibly good and everything that was said
Made actual sense

Ya I tried to make sense haha. Thank you

 

[RuckenTM]

I believe! Thank you!

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I believe! Thank you!

no...thank you!

 

[Behemoth55]

My two cents:

I guess, the quintessence of your thread is pretty obvious to every reader of Naruto, but you have made a good thesis anyway. I created a thesis about the Samsara and the Six Path's in another community long time ago. That's why I can understand your opinion.
However, we should also consider that we can't take everything regarding Shintoism and Buddhism literally in this case. Sure, Kishimoto-senseis story is oriented towards a specific mythologic background, but it's after all his own interpretation. Hagoromo Ōtstutsuki has been personated as some Buddha-like being and he gave "birth" to Yin/Yang, Heaven and Earth, Love and Hate.
Those similarities to Naruto and Buddhism/Shintoism are clearly evident, but -as I have said it before- the context is different after all.

Anyway, you did a good job.

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

My two cents:

I guess, the quintessence of your thread is pretty obvious to every reader of Naruto, but you have made a good thesis anyway. I created a thesis about the Samsara and the Six Path's in another community long time ago. That's why I can understand your opinion.
However, we should also consider that we can't take everything regarding Shintoism and Buddhism literally in this case. Sure, Kishimoto-senseis story is oriented towards a specific mythologic background, but it's after all his own interpretation. Hagoromo Ōtstutsuki has been personated as some Buddha-like being and he gave "birth" to Yin/Yang, Heaven and Earth, Love and Hate.
Those similarities to Naruto and Buddhism/Shintoism are clearly evident, but -as I have said it before- the context is different after all.

Anyway, you did a good job.

Thank you and thanks for reading!

You state that we can't take everything regarding Shintoism and Buddhism literally and that at the end of the day it is kishi's interpretation but can you explain how do you think that kishi interprets it, if you think it is different than what I said. I would like to hear it. Also If you can remember or find it, I would love to see the thesis you created about samsara and the six paths.

 

[SIX PATHZ]

Agree for the most man.thnks for sharing a great read

 

[senjusana]

You have taken a lot of pain in making this thread.Good Job!
Great one!

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Excellent Thread, but humanity must first free themselves from the Outer Path heresy: the power of Chakra. Then true peace can be achieved.

 

[Behemoth55]

You state that we can't take everything regarding Shintoism and Buddhism literally and that at the end of the day it is kishi's interpretation but can you explain how do you think that kishi interprets it, if you think it is different than what I said. I would like to hear it. Also If you can remember or find it, I would love to see the thesis you created about samsara and the six paths.

I will give you one example:

The Jutsu of the Mangekyō and the base Sharingan are based on the name of specific deities. In the Japanese Folklore Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susanoo from the washing of the nose.

Sasuke uses Amaterasu with the left eye too. That's a similaritie between the manga and Shintoism, but the way of functioning and status of Amaterasu is Kishis own interpretation. The same goes for Susanoo. You have to awake two Mangekyō Sharingan to summon Susanoo, there's no parralel to the nose like in the original Folklore.
And Kishimotos Susanoo is more like a Tengu anyway. The concept of Izanagi/Izanami is completely different too. But never mind.

After understanding the connection with Buddhism, it is pretty easy to decipher it. The six realms= the six paths. The world has been stuck in a cycle of hatred (the wheel of samsara) in which the 6 sages were the only ones able to do something about it but as they failed, the cycle continued and the wheel kept going. The source of that suffering is the wrathful monster aka the juubi and in my opinion, kaguya.

I think, that's a misunderstanding. In the case of Naruto the six paths are like a special concept of power and abilities. Like the Rikudō no Jutsu or Narutos and Sasukes new form of chakra. I have checked the raw of these scan:

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Sasuke declared his and Narutos new chakra, which is able to harm Shadow-Madara, as the "Hermit-Chakra of the Six Path's". At first I thought that's just simple senchakra, but it's the "Rikudō no Sennin Chakra", a special kind of power.
Therefore, I'm sure Kishimoto doesn't refer only to the Samsara of the Buddhism.
On the other hand Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, also known as the Sage of the Six Path's, has been also titled as the "Kono Yo no Kyūseishu"/Messiah of peace. Sure, there should be a connection to both terms, right?

 

[Valhorus]

Awesome thread .

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

You have taken a lot of pain in making this thread.Good Job!
Great one!

haha ya, Thanks for reading!

Agree for the most man.thnks for sharing a great read

Thank you sp!

 

[guts2nevergiveup]

I will give you one example:

The Jutsu of the Mangekyō and the base Sharingan are based on the name of specific deities. In the Japanese Folklore Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susanoo from the washing of the nose.

Sasuke uses Amaterasu with the left eye too. That's a similaritie between the manga and Shintoism, but the way of functioning and status of Amaterasu is Kishis own interpretation. The same goes for Susanoo. You have to awake two Mangekyō Sharingan to summon Susanoo, there's no parralel to the nose like in the original Folklore.
And Kishimotos Susanoo is more like a Tengu anyway. The concept of Izanagi/Izanami is completely different too. But never mind.




I think, that's a misunderstanding. In the case of Naruto the six paths are like a special concept of power and abilities. Like the Rikudō no Jutsu or Narutos and Sasukes new form of chakra. I have checked the raw of these scan:

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Sasuke declared his and Narutos new chakra, which is able to harm Shadow-Madara, as the "Hermit-Chakra of the Six Path's". At first I thought that's just simple senchakra, but it's the "Rikudō no Sennin Chakra", a special kind of power.
Therefore, I'm sure Kishimoto doesn't refer only to the Samsara of the Buddhism.
On the other hand Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, also known as the Sage of the Six Path's, has been also titled as the "Kono Yo no Kyūseishu"/Messiah of peace. Sure, there should be a connection to both terms, right?

Ok I see what you're saying. Kishi may have been inspired from Buddhism but it doesn't have to mean that he will interpret everything the same way. I'm still sticking to what I said in the thread though.

Also, i'm sorry but I'm not sure I really understand your last paragraph. Are you saying that on top of referring to Samsara, the six paths also refers to the power that Hagoromo has? If so, I believe that it is just a way to name that power. Since hagoromo was known as the sage of six paths, I believe they are just simply referring to hagoromo's power as the power of the six paths and that it has no connection whatsoever to the fact that the six paths represent the six realms in the wheel of samsara.